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Stoudemire will pay Hakeem Olajuwon $100,000 for two weeks of tutelage
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Jmpasq
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7/25/2012  9:01 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:If I were Hakeem, I would've given Lebron James a discount just so I could build a reputation. The Dream couldn't have received better advertising than this year's NBA finals. If I'm the Hornet's, I'd go as high as $500,000 to make Hakeem the personal coach of Anthony Davis. The more I think about this, the sadder I get. Hakeem is probably making more as a coach than Patrick Ewing.

Seriously we should have Ewing sitting on are bench working with Amare and Chandler all the time

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7/25/2012  9:50 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:If I were Hakeem, I would've given Lebron James a discount just so I could build a reputation. The Dream couldn't have received better advertising than this year's NBA finals. If I'm the Hornet's, I'd go as high as $500,000 to make Hakeem the personal coach of Anthony Davis. The more I think about this, the sadder I get. Hakeem is probably making more as a coach than Patrick Ewing.

Seriously we should have Ewing sitting on are bench working with Amare and Chandler all the time

Pat did not have an array of post moves. He had that running drop step and a hook but, that was pretty much it. His was a great defender and a hell of a jump shooter for a big, one of the best shooting Centers of all time but, what Ewing had you really can't teach. He had tenacity and a fire that is/was only equaled by the likes of Jordan and Bird. Unfortunately, Pat, compared to those guys came up short.

Pat took protecting the rim personally and believed he owned the court. He put every iota of himself into the game. I'm not sure many of today's athletes have that type of competitive fire the guys back then possessed.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/25/2012  9:52 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:If I were Hakeem, I would've given Lebron James a discount just so I could build a reputation. The Dream couldn't have received better advertising than this year's NBA finals. If I'm the Hornet's, I'd go as high as $500,000 to make Hakeem the personal coach of Anthony Davis. The more I think about this, the sadder I get. Hakeem is probably making more as a coach than Patrick Ewing.

Seriously we should have Ewing sitting on are bench working with Amare and Chandler all the time

Pat did not have an array of post moves. He had that running drop step and a hook but, that was pretty much it. His was a great defender and a hell of a jump shooter for a big, one of the best shooting Centers of all time but, what Ewing had you really can't teach. He had tenacity and a fire that is/was only equaled by the likes of Jordan and Bird. Unfortunately, Pat, compared to those guys came up short.

Pat took protecting the rim personally and believed he owned the court. He put every iota of himself into the game. I'm not sure many of today's athletes have that type of competitive fire the guys back then possessed.

from what I've read, Pat is a guy that doesn't sweat the details and comes across as a lazy coach. That's why he never lands the top gig and bounces from assistant postion to assistant position

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7/25/2012  10:47 AM
I feel like so much of what Hakeem did was instinctual and he had natural footwork and ability. Not sure if Amare is gonna come out of this with a dream shake, but since LJ is on NYK payroll, I think he could at least learns some back to the basket stuff from him...
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7/25/2012  10:50 AM
VDesai wrote:I feel like so much of what Hakeem did was instinctual and he had natural footwork and ability. Not sure if Amare is gonna come out of this with a dream shake, but since LJ is on NYK payroll, I think he could at least learns some back to the basket stuff from him...

I think that describes a lot of what great post players do. Maybe Amare will improve slightly but I'm skeptical about how big a difference this will make. I give Amare credit for the effort though.
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7/25/2012  11:01 AM
VDesai wrote:I feel like so much of what Hakeem did was instinctual and he had natural footwork and ability. Not sure if Amare is gonna come out of this with a dream shake, but since LJ is on NYK payroll, I think he could at least learns some back to the basket stuff from him...

if he can improve his footwork enough so he's not just barreling into guys for the offensive foul, I'd be happy with that. Says he's slimmed down, hopefully that adds to his agility.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/25/2012  11:06 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
VDesai wrote:I feel like so much of what Hakeem did was instinctual and he had natural footwork and ability. Not sure if Amare is gonna come out of this with a dream shake, but since LJ is on NYK payroll, I think he could at least learns some back to the basket stuff from him...

I think that describes a lot of what great post players do. Maybe Amare will improve slightly but I'm skeptical about how big a difference this will make. I give Amare credit for the effort though.

Yes, he deserves much credit for the effort and $$$ he is putting out in improving his abilities.
His role changed on the team, with the addition of Chandler/Melo.
He is also a bit older, he has to actually learn moves and counters, not relying on just his ability to DUNK.

Playing Center with 4 shooters to spread the floor with him, while he has the step on an advantage vs a Center.
But now, Chandler cannot spread the floor, the opponents Center/shot blocker is an extra defender in addition to the PF that matches up with his speed/athleticism/length much better than a Center.
It also didn't help that Fields was not able to spread the floor, with anyone else that were almost being dared to shoot the 3pointer.

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7/25/2012  11:09 AM
I agree that the Knicks should have a guy like Hakeem on this coaching staff to teach these guys a thing or two. There is no harm in it - he is one of the greatest big men of all time. Herb is a great guy but he is no Hakeem.

Pat would also be great, but he has his own thing going for him and I think it would create tension in terms of the head coaching position. We definitely need big man coaching help.

2 weeks of tutoring does not seem like enough to make a lasting impact on Amare's game. I applaud his effort and hope he learns a lot but I will believe it when I see it on the court.

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7/26/2012  9:46 AM
Low post moves are NOT instinctual. That should be taken out of anyones head. Repeat after me everyone: LOW POST MOVES ARE NOT INSTINCTUAL! Say that 10 times now!

If you have the physical tools, you can be a great low post player, and Amar'e has the physical tools. Becoming a great low post scorer is all about practice, practice, practice and applying that in the game... as well as using your brain. He should already be a GREAT low post player actually. His problem is that he has a bit of the Eddie Curry disease in that he sometimes doesn't assess a situation quickly. He'll just put his head down and run into a double team. It worked 5 years ago b/c he was so athletic that he could jump over the doubles but now he doesn't really have that benefit anymore so he really needs to work on that if he wants to re-become a successful scorer. That, and get back his mid range shot.

As for this, it can be great or just as must a waste of Amar'e's money as when he got in that twitter war. He has to really listen to Hakeem, practice against his teammates and apply all of these moves in the games and he has to constantly do it. If not, then that's just a waste of a lot of mullah that I would love to have myself. I'll take it if he doesn't want it.

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7/26/2012  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2012  10:00 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:Low post moves are NOT instinctual. That should be taken out of anyones head. Repeat after me everyone: LOW POST MOVES ARE NOT INSTINCTUAL! Say that 10 times now!

If you have the physical tools, you can be a great low post player, and Amar'e has the physical tools. Becoming a great low post scorer is all about practice, practice, practice and applying that in the game... as well as using your brain. He should already be a GREAT low post player actually. His problem is that he has a bit of the Eddie Curry disease in that he sometimes doesn't assess a situation quickly. He'll just put his head down and run into a double team. It worked 5 years ago b/c he was so athletic that he could jump over the doubles but now he doesn't really have that benefit anymore so he really needs to work on that if he wants to re-become a successful scorer. That, and get back his mid range shot.

As for this, it can be great or just as must a waste of Amar'e's money as when he got in that twitter war. He has to really listen to Hakeem, practice against his teammates and apply all of these moves in the games and he has to constantly do it. If not, then that's just a waste of a lot of mullah that I would love to have myself. I'll take it if he doesn't want it.


I think the ability to do that assessment, to figure out how to respond, and then to do the actual response all within a fraction of a second is what VDESAI had in mind when he said so much of it is "instinctual." At least that's why I agreed with him.
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7/26/2012  10:24 AM
I'm torn - only because Hakeem did take a ring from us (still hurts 18 years later).

Still, give Amare props. 10 years in the league and he still has the drive to be better. And who better, right? Remember what Hakeem did to then league MVP David Robinson?

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7/26/2012  10:26 AM
It's not like hitting a 100 mph hit. It doesn't have to take a fraction of a second. Just ask Larry Johnson.

Also, we should also be fair. Hakeem is a pure all time great. Amar'e isn't on his level, but my arguement is he doesn't have to be. Yes, he has to think and develop a lot of skills... but lets not actually compare him to Hakeem. That's definitely not fair to Amar'e. Lets just hope that he makes improvement though to the point that he becomes a real threat.

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7/26/2012  10:36 AM
If Amar'e takes one fewer offensive charge, attempting to bull his way to the hoop, the $100 grand will have been worth it.

Waiter!... Dream Shakes all around.

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7/26/2012  10:37 AM
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7/26/2012  10:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2012  10:54 AM
Chuck, you are indeed a Kung-Fu Master

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(Somewhere in Houston)

Master Hakeem: [after easily defeating Amar'e one on one] Ha, ha, never assume because a man has no eyes he cannot see. Close your eyes. What do you hear?

Amar'e: I hear the referees calling me for another charge, I hear footsteps.

Master Hakeem: Do you hear your own heartbeat?

Amar'e: No.

Hakeem: Do you hear the grasshopper that is at your feet?

Amar'e: [looking down and seeing the insect] Old man, how is it that you hear these things?

Hakeem: Young man, how is it that you do not dribble under control?

Amar'e: Sheesh

Master Hakeem: Quickly as you can, snatch the pill from my hand.

[Amar'e tries to do so and fails]

Master Hakeem: When you can take the rock from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

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7/26/2012  11:09 AM
Two weeks? That ain't enough to learn a lifetimes worth of moves. This is BS at its finest Amare needs to spend the entire off season with Hakeem. You know soon as the two weeks are up Amare won't even think about and try to replicate what he learned under Hakeem. Nice try By Amare though because it takes many month to master up and under moves and make them instinctive.
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7/26/2012  11:14 AM
misterearl wrote:Chuck, you are indeed a Kung-Fu Master

ChuckBuck wrote:

(Somewhere in Houston)

Master Hakeem: [after easily defeating Amar'e one on one] Ha, ha, never assume because a man has no eyes he cannot see. Close your eyes. What do you hear?

Amar'e: I hear the referees calling me for another charge, I hear footsteps.

Master Hakeem: Do you hear your own heartbeat?

Amar'e: No.

Hakeem: Do you hear the grasshopper that is at your feet?

Amar'e: [looking down and seeing the insect] Old man, how is it that you hear these things?

Hakeem: Young man, how is it that you do not dribble under control?

Amar'e: Sheesh

Master Hakeem: Quickly as you can, snatch the pill from my hand.

[Amar'e tries to do so and fails]

Master Hakeem: When you can take the rock from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

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7/26/2012  11:15 AM
Vmart wrote:Two weeks? That ain't enough to learn a lifetimes worth of moves. This is BS at its finest Amare needs to spend the entire off season with Hakeem. You know soon as the two weeks are up Amare won't even think about and try to replicate what he learned under Hakeem. Nice try By Amare though because it takes many month to master up and under moves and make them instinctive.

how many weeks did Kobe or LeBron spend with the master?

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7/26/2012  11:16 AM
Vmart wrote:Two weeks? That ain't enough to learn a lifetimes worth of moves. This is BS at its finest Amare needs to spend the entire off season with Hakeem. You know soon as the two weeks are up Amare won't even think about and try to replicate what he learned under Hakeem. Nice try By Amare though because it takes many month to master up and under moves and make them instinctive.

Heck, I'll be happy with 2 moves.

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7/26/2012  12:06 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:Two weeks? That ain't enough to learn a lifetimes worth of moves. This is BS at its finest Amare needs to spend the entire off season with Hakeem. You know soon as the two weeks are up Amare won't even think about and try to replicate what he learned under Hakeem. Nice try By Amare though because it takes many month to master up and under moves and make them instinctive.

how many weeks did Kobe or LeBron spend with the master?

I have no idea how much time they spent with Hakeem. But players like Kobe and James have an easier time learning footwork that biger players do.

Stoudemire will pay Hakeem Olajuwon $100,000 for two weeks of tutelage

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