DurzoBlint wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:An all things Lin sticky thread might not be a bad thing.

Yep, an official Jeremy Lin butt-hurt thread may be needed- we have to learn from that Gallo trade experience, where every thread was a lament for the next nba superstar, Gallo. The thing is I really liked Gallo and Wilson Chandler, and I liked Lin, but eventually I get so fed up of people banging on about them, I grow to resent them!

this guys deserves the medal. Please, please sticky these Lin threads. Like the above poster said, its become too much.

We're in luck. Martin and Andrew have very kindly created a new dedicated web site for just this purpose:

http://www.ultimatejeremy.com

Also with the style of play this team is likely to have we don't need a lot of young greyhounds to get the job done. This team is built for a grind it out style. I'm not expecting a bigtime offense. I'm expecting a team that will hold teams down and win by smaller margins like a 90's team.

grillco wrote:I'm surprised, I thought the NY Times guys would come to talk...shows me where thinking's at.

Many of them went to the Knicks forum at escapefromelba. http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=11.78315

grillco wrote:Come one guys, Lin was just another example. And martin, Shump is the only NY drafted player left and until he's tenured (the three or four years that gets one the tag of veteran) he's not an exception. If he's still playing here in 2016 he's relavent, right now we don't when he'll even play.

The question was framed fine, it was just the folks that want to assume it was about Lin. Again, it was about the continual movement out of NYC of any promising young players they draft or rookies they acquire to balance trades for veterans.

misterearl, wise as always. And your point was part of what I was inferring. The contact win now cycle at MSG is a huge part of the problem personnel wise and fiscally. If they're always going to be chasing a ring via patchwork teams, it's gonna be decades before another title. But as I've stated, I hope I'm wrong and there's some magic before the next blowout and failure to get the "prize" and settling.

The core of the great 90s team was a kid from Georgetown, one they drafted and allowed to develop. The Hoya destroya went from a defensive monster to a defensive monster with a sweet inside out game with a really nice jumper. We don't keep the young guys long enough for that to happen anymore or at least see if it will happen, but for clarification I don't think Lin was going to be that next great 15 plus year Knick to go the the HoF and get his jersey in the rafters. The fact is we'll never know until better management is in place and that ain't happening with Dolan.

Brilliant logic. "drafting youth and allowing them to develop" = "number 1 pick in the lottery - franchise player"

Yeah, they don't keep all those top 5 lottery picks they've been getting every decade. Those stupid Knicks.

Just for clarification: Michael Ray Richardson. Lonnie Shelton. Bill Cartright. Kenny Walker. Mark Jackson. Rod Strickland. Brian Quinnet. Jarrod Mustaf. Greg Anthony. Monty Williams. Charlie Ward. John Wallace. John Thomas. Nene (okay, there's one, MAYBE). Michael Sweetney. Trevor Ariza. Channing Frye. David Lee.

Who of these delicacies were eaten before they had the chance to develop into a HOF player? Please enlighten me.

The problem with getting "the kid from Georgetown" was we weren't getting another number one pick like that while going to the playoffs and finals for a decade.

Lin butthurt. Gallo butthurt. Wilson butthurt. Moz butthurt.

At least you can't suffer from Felton butthurt.

grillco wrote:Come one guys, Lin was just another example. And martin, Shump is the only NY drafted player left and until he's tenured (the three or four years that gets one the tag of veteran) he's not an exception. If he's still playing here in 2016 he's relavent, right now we don't when he'll even play.

i don't even understand why you would say we need to wait on Shump. He's here and but for injury would be playing.

Gallo, Chandle, Moz were traded in an all-star upgrade, like it or not.

The rule isn't that you always need rookies or near rookies to create continuity, the rules is trade, adept, swap guys until you feel you have the right fit to best compete for a deep playoff experience.

martin wrote:

grillco wrote:I'm surprised, I thought the NY Times guys would come to talk...shows me where thinking's at.

Anyway, Lin's gone. I think he and his management are pretty much full of crap. That, however, does not change the fact that the Knicks gutted their young last season to get Melo and then did it again this off season by letting them walk or to recruit three 40 year olds. I love the Cambyman and Dirty Kurty was a favorite Knick of mine (Oakley II), Kidd's only real value will be super short relief and mentoring which hopefully he'll still be able to do with Felton, but they're all on the very ends of their careers AND winning teams tend to feature several players that were actually drafted by that team and have developed with that team. The Knicks are completely void of that.

So get off your Lin-based crap and either join the discussion or head to another thread.

perhaps you could outline the discussion better?

You forgot Shump in your initial post.

Also JR Smith, who is not too young, not too old. Novak too. Felton just turned 28.

First round pick next year has not been given away.

If you mention Camby, JKidd, Kurt as being too old, please let us know how second round picks of Jordan, Jorts would be any better (TD is a given failure). JJ did us no good.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

grillco wrote:I'm surprised, I thought the NY Times guys would come to talk...shows me where thinking's at.

Anyway, Lin's gone. I think he and his management are pretty much full of crap. That, however, does not change the fact that the Knicks gutted their young last season to get Melo and then did it again this off season by letting them walk or to recruit three 40 year olds. I love the Cambyman and Dirty Kurty was a favorite Knick of mine (Oakley II), Kidd's only real value will be super short relief and mentoring which hopefully he'll still be able to do with Felton, but they're all on the very ends of their careers AND winning teams tend to feature several players that were actually drafted by that team and have developed with that team. The Knicks are completely void of that.

So get off your Lin-based crap and either join the discussion or head to another thread.

perhaps you could outline the discussion better?

You forgot Shump in your initial post.

Also JR Smith, who is not too young, not too old. Novak too. Felton just turned 28.

First round pick next year has not been given away.

If you mention Camby, JKidd, Kurt as being too old, please let us know how second round picks of Jordan, Jorts would be any better (TD is a given failure). JJ did us no good.

Question about our draft pick. Can we trade it now, or are they still forced to keep it?

Yeah, we have to keep the pick at least till draft day, in which we can trade for future picks/or as a package for another player.