CashMoney wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't think so because New York is the biggest stage in the world. What do you think??

No way- Dragic on the rockets and Isaiah Thomas on the Kings also had break out seasons with very similar stats, but got a fraction of the media exposure. Lin got the perfect opportunity with us- our situation, coach, timing of injuries and media attention. Would never have happened elsewhere.

Not true. Lin put up an all star PER AND set all kinds of records for the first 9 (or 25?) starts in a career.
Further, Lin did much more with much less than Dragic did. Lin clearly made his teamates better, Dragic nada.

No matter where Lin had gone, the numbers and records he put up (which are now his), would have been noted. He wouldn't have been as big, but he sure would have been noticed. What the kid did was incredible and I saw it with my own eyes. The Stats just back it up is all. Where as watching Dragic, who looked great, he just didn't turn that team around like Lin did.

Who did we play those first 9 games?

Nets (start if Linsanity)
Jazz
Wizzards
Lakers
Wolves
Raptors
Kings
Hornets
Mavs
Nets

Exactly my point - we played the jazz, mavs and lakers, the only above .500 teams, however, they stunk on the road.

So, I ask, who did we REALLY play?

NOBODY

Dummy's keep asking, why did Linsanity stop when Melo and the fat crew came back?

Well ... perhaps because we played Boston on the Road, Miami on the road, Dallas on the road, San Antonio on the road ...

BUT WHO THE PHUK CARES ABOUT THAT, LETS KEEP PHUCKIN SPINNING

mrKnickShot wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't think so because New York is the biggest stage in the world. What do you think??

No way- Dragic on the rockets and Isaiah Thomas on the Kings also had break out seasons with very similar stats, but got a fraction of the media exposure. Lin got the perfect opportunity with us- our situation, coach, timing of injuries and media attention. Would never have happened elsewhere.

Not true. Lin put up an all star PER AND set all kinds of records for the first 9 (or 25?) starts in a career.
Further, Lin did much more with much less than Dragic did. Lin clearly made his teamates better, Dragic nada.

No matter where Lin had gone, the numbers and records he put up (which are now his), would have been noted. He wouldn't have been as big, but he sure would have been noticed. What the kid did was incredible and I saw it with my own eyes. The Stats just back it up is all. Where as watching Dragic, who looked great, he just didn't turn that team around like Lin did.

Who did we play those first 9 games?

Nets (start if Linsanity)
Jazz
Wizzards
Lakers
Wolves
Raptors
Kings
Hornets
Mavs
Nets

Exactly my point - we played the jazz, mavs and lakers, the only above .500 teams, however, they stunk on the road.

So, I ask, who did we REALLY play?

NOBODY

Dummy's keep asking, why did Linsanity stop when Melo and the fat crew came back?

Well ... perhaps because we played Boston on the Road, Miami on the road, Dallas on the road, San Antonio on the road ...

BUT WHO THE PHUK CARES ABOUT THAT, LETS KEEP PHUCKIN SPINNING

It's ok to refuse what your eyes see. The streak was 9 games but what Lin did was most of the 25 games. We can wait till what he does at Houston comes, and then you and other haters will have a new excuse.

Hated IT!

ChuckBuck wrote:What Lin did was basically the same thing Dragic did in Houston when Lowry got hurt, only difference is Lin did it in the media capital of the world so every good game was blown up times ten.

If it was just because it happened in NYC, why was it the most positive press the Knicks have gotten consistently since their 1999 run to the finals? I watched the team for 12 years and we were known for an embarrassment of an owner, two amazingly horrible GM's, 12 playoff losses in a row, two playoffs in 12 years, and trading for amazing superstars who did not translate into wins. Lets not forget superstars taking their talents elsewhere.

Yet, here comes a positive story, here comes a young prospect who takes the world by storm, and it gets squashed by the same people who for 12 years have made the NY Knicks a joke around the league. Please. This DID happen here and it happened because it was not the BS we have had to deal with for more than a decade. And then it got taken away.

ChuckBuck wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What Lin did was basically the same thing Dragic did in Houston when Lowry got hurt, only difference is Lin did it in the media capital of the world so every good game was blown up times ten.

If it was just because it happened in NYC, why was it the most positive press the Knicks have gotten consistently since their 1999 run to the finals? I watched the team for 12 years and we were known for an embarrassment of an owner, two amazingly horrible GM's, 12 playoff losses in a row, two playoffs in 12 years, and trading for amazing superstars who did not translate into wins. Lets not forget superstars taking their talents elsewhere.

Yet, here comes a positive story, here comes a young prospect who takes the world by storm, and it gets squashed by the same people who for 12 years have made the NY Knicks a joke around the league. Please. This DID happen here and it happened because it was not the BS we have had to deal with for more than a decade. And then it got taken away.

All you need is 1 part NY press, 2 parts Twitter, and some unconventional underdog story to become the biggest overhyped story of the year. It's like the best rollercoaster at six flags, fun while it lasts, but way too short to call great or justify the wait and admission.

Listen, it was a great story - it really was. But, who knows how it would have played out against good teams next year - it did not look very good this year. If you want to say that there were mitigating circumstances that inhibited him, maybe there was but who knows.

Is he the next Steve Nash or Shane Spencer?

Who Knows. But it was a great story.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I don't think so because New York is the biggest stage in the world. What do you think??

i hear ya

But I prefer not to talk about Jeremy Lin anymore... at least until his 3 yr contract up & if he wanna come back
Lin had as much as anyone to do with NOT being a Knick

He aint here,
plus he's talking up a Rocket storm so he's over the knicks

I think he may have developed and shown some of the good player he is outside the NY big stage
but fact of matter is he would'nt have same effect or same opportunity he got in Ny with MDA

never the same as the mecca so u may be right

~can't argue with those economics.

mrKnickShot wrote:Definitely more in baseball

Greg Jeffries
Shane Spencer
Kevin Maas
Benny A.

In basketball, even Landry Fields crashed

Lin is definitely the all time story in BBall (NY) but it would have been a better barometer if he actually did it against good teams (where he was awful).

I agree and there is no close second. The question is "How does a Billionaire owner in The Big City of New York let that walk for nothing (and don't forget the money and fans that will come globally as well)?"

Again, this was not a financial decision, connect the dots...

earthmansurfer wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Definitely more in baseball

Greg Jeffries
Shane Spencer
Kevin Maas
Benny A.

In basketball, even Landry Fields crashed

Lin is definitely the all time story in BBall (NY) but it would have been a better barometer if he actually did it against good teams (where he was awful).

I agree and there is no close second. The question is "How does a Billionaire owner in The Big City of New York let that walk for nothing (and don't forget the money and fans that will come globally as well)?"

Again, this was not a financial decision, connect the dots...

As an asset I hated losing Lin, and to be sure, I wanted the Knicks to match. But I will also say there are some compelling basketball and financial and other reasons to not match too.

Let's start with the fact the Lin was most effective with the ball in his hands and scoring. Those 2 things seemed to go hand-and-hand with the 2 big win streaks the Knicks had while he was at the helm. Does this mesh well with Amare/Melo? Lin certainly had some good games with those 2 but would those guys be better with a PG who would concentrate on running team and setting them up (and others) versus what made Lin magical?

Are the Knicks a half court team or a run-n-gun team? Which pace favors the long term team playoff goals versus Lin's strengths?

What would Lin do during the playoffs? Are the Knicks fanbase ready for 6+ TOs a game against playoff teams (def need to extrapolate that one)?

By not signing Lin, do the Knicks keep a hint of flexibility for a trade if it presents itself?

Also, $ implications. Not only for Lin's contract, but for future contracts. All fans HATE it when players use the Knicks to inflate their contract with current teams, perhaps the Knicks were tired of it and drew the line on Lin/Houston and Fields/TOR obviously having the same over-sized contract; this does establish a new precedent (albeit after years of doing the opposite). Knicks management to players: prove yourself and THEN we pay you.

Is Lin durable enough?

Is his defense good enough?

Would his presence/learning curve distract the team as a whole over the next 3 years?

Did Lin really want to be in NY? If not, from the Knicks' perspective, why match? Lin def had an outline of a deal for $5, $5, $9M, 4th year option. Now, no one in their right mind (and in Lin's current financial position) turns down an offer for $15M in the third over that first outline of a deal, but you also must consider the implications of everything else regarding what it entails: 1) $15M per year is a "max" sized contract and there are expectations around that, particularly and especially in NY. 2) SOMEONE let the details of the first deal out and THEN decided to go back to the drawing board and Lin/agent/Houston were all privy to that type of decision-making and how Dolan/MSG/Knicks would react (you'd be a fool to NOT know that Jimmy would be not happy) - that does break unwritten NBA "rules" (almost akin to, but not nearly as bad as, what Booz did).

Question to readers: Is anyone surprised by Dolan's reaction to the second offer? I suspect Lin and his agent and Houston weren't either. Which leads me to:

All things being equal, Lin is going to make a butt load of money over the next 3 years, almost without regard to how well he does on the court. Lin was the one who decided that it may be worth making the extra $6M to walk away from the Linsanity story, cause it certainly wont happen like that in Houston (no guarantees it would be replicated in the future with NY but the swan song could certainly sing pretty close).

Got that? After knowing he would have a guaranteed $20M+ from the Knicks if they matched that first contract, plus the gobs of money from endorsements, say another $10+ over the course of a couple of years (so now a total of maybe $30+M), Lin was OK with walking away from the storyline for $6M.

Lin didn't know if the Knicks would match or not but decided to let $6M and whim tangle with his Linsanity instead of pressing his will onto Knicks history ala someone like Clyde.

Now, to me and all us average Joe's: what lifestyle difference is there between $30M and $36M when you come from $800K?

And if he did believe in Linsanity and his own talents, his next contract would have been through the roof and that $6M would have been negligible.

For me: Lin walked away from the Knicks (and Linsanity) as much as the Knicks did not match Lin's second offer.