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7/21/2012  10:05 AM
crzymdups wrote:if misterearl isn't already on the MSG PR payroll, he's giving it away for free

He actually speaks for a majority of us. Any pro knick, pro Melo, positive statement is ridiculed by the loud minority that feel slighted because Lin is gone.

I know you feel you have a right to distract knick fans from expressing their love of the Knicks, but try counting to 10, re read your posts and ask yourself if you are still a knick fan.

If so, try to accentuate the positive.

If not, go somewhere else and let us keep our rose colored glasses on.

I believe we are much better off this year than last year.

We are taking the Atlantic and will be hosting a first round playoff series.

Second round is completely up in the air, but it camby and Kidd offer anything than it's us and the heat rematch in the ECF.

That's what I believe. That's what makes me a Knicks fan.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/21/2012  11:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2012  11:08 AM
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crzymdups wrote:if misterearl isn't already on the MSG PR payroll, he's giving it away for free

He actually speaks for a majority of us. Any pro knick, pro Melo, positive statement is ridiculed by the loud minority that feel slighted because Lin is gone.

I know you feel you have a right to distract knick fans from expressing their love of the Knicks, but try counting to 10, re read your posts and ask yourself if you are still a knick fan.

If so, try to accentuate the positive.

If not, go somewhere else and let us keep our rose colored glasses on.

I believe we are much better off this year than last year.

We are taking the Atlantic and will be hosting a first round playoff series.

Second round is completely up in the air, but it camby and Kidd offer anything than it's us and the heat rematch in the ECF.

That's what I believe. That's what makes me a Knicks fan.

Well said. I'm with you.

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7/21/2012  11:54 AM
Well Amare said Lin deserved every penny of his contract, and Felton said if you can get it, go get it.

Can we make multiple threads about that too?

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7/21/2012  11:59 AM
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babyKnicks wrote:
crzymdups wrote:if misterearl isn't already on the MSG PR payroll, he's giving it away for free

He actually speaks for a majority of us. Any pro knick, pro Melo, positive statement is ridiculed by the loud minority that feel slighted because Lin is gone.

I know you feel you have a right to distract knick fans from expressing their love of the Knicks, but try counting to 10, re read your posts and ask yourself if you are still a knick fan.

If so, try to accentuate the positive.

If not, go somewhere else and let us keep our rose colored glasses on.

I believe we are much better off this year than last year.

We are taking the Atlantic and will be hosting a first round playoff series.

Second round is completely up in the air, but it camby and Kidd offer anything than it's us and the heat rematch in the ECF.

That's what I believe. That's what makes me a Knicks fan.

Well said. I'm with you.

1. There are mythical creatures that have two thumbs and inhabit the forests of Knickland that are both slighted that Lin is gone AND are not rabidly Anti Melo...this guy.

2. I've always thought it was a huge faux pas to comment on another players money. Perhaps that was (and still is) the case if a player were to say/tweet about it unprompted. It's fair to ask:

When was the last time reporters asked so many OTHER players about another players contract? I can't remember ANY time so many reporters went up to players to ask them to comment on another man's contract. Personally if I were a player I'd just say "Hey I'm happy for him" and leave it at that both to a)take the high road even if you think it's ridiculous b)keep myself safe from the ire of Lin Nation.

Poor Lin is gonna have a bulls eye on his back the entire season. I suspect he'll keep getting hammered going to the basket.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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7/21/2012  12:16 PM
Not upset much. More like Jimmy Dolan is soooo stupid for not jumping on this and make almost guaranteed money. From a financial point, he's an idiot. It's like buying EBay's IPO. You don't want to spend $38 per share? Great, there goes the $500 per share a few years later. I'm not saying Jeremy Lin is going to be a superstar; I'm just saying he will bring sooo much money from fans in Asia to Houston now. This is just pure dumb from financial point. Jimmy Dolan should not have the right to breed. We don't need more rich retards in our world.
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7/21/2012  12:26 PM
from a team chemistry standpoint, the silver lining is that I really don't think the guys liked having him on the team. He really hadn't accomplished anything for the Knicks or NBA and he was being celebrated like the second coming of Oscar Robertson. I don't think anyone would admit it publicly, but I think it's an awful lot like Tim Tebow and the Broncos could not wait to play without him, even though he's an above average player
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7/21/2012  12:26 PM
Still waiting to hear Jason Kidd speak on this. He specifically said he came to the Knicks to work with Lin. Still think it's funny timing (meaning curious, not hilarious) and sad that Kidd went on a drunk driving rampage about 4 or 5 hours after reports came out that the Knicks were pursuing Felton and planning to let Lin go.

Has Tyson Chandler been quoted about Lin's leaving yet? He's one of the few Knicks stars who is more concerned with winning than his own stat line, so I'd be curious to hear his thoughts.

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7/21/2012  12:40 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
crzymdups wrote:if misterearl isn't already on the MSG PR payroll, he's giving it away for free

He actually speaks for a majority of us. Any pro knick, pro Melo, positive statement is ridiculed by the loud minority that feel slighted because Lin is gone.

I know you feel you have a right to distract knick fans from expressing their love of the Knicks, but try counting to 10, re read your posts and ask yourself if you are still a knick fan.

If so, try to accentuate the positive.

If not, go somewhere else and let us keep our rose colored glasses on.

I believe we are much better off this year than last year.

We are taking the Atlantic and will be hosting a first round playoff series.

Second round is completely up in the air, but it camby and Kidd offer anything than it's us and the heat rematch in the ECF.

That's what I believe. That's what makes me a Knicks fan.

I just think it's "RIDICULOUS" to start two different threads about the same innocuous Steve Novak quote, as Mr Earl has done.

I'm a Knicks fan.

But I don't believe being a fan means endorsing or being happy with every move the team makes.

I'd say a healthy majority of the board has also at one time or another said that they hate James Dolan. That's what this is about.

I don't hate Melo. As fishmike said, he's kind of like ARod. I think he's more like Tracy McGrady - a very good player who likes the idea of being the star and isn't as committed to playing defense and winning as he could be. I said he probably didn't want Lin back and there have been several published reports that have said Melo didn't want Lin back. I said Melo didn't want Lin because while watching the games, I saw the way Melo reacted. I mentioned this as early as the FIRST Lin start against Utah - the one Melo only played the first six minutes and then pulled a hamstring. In those six minutes he was impatiently demanding Lin pass him the ball at half court instead of letting Lin run the offense. It was very clear that Melo didn't like someone else being the star and having the ball in their hands unless it was someone he wanted to be doing that. Lin was unexpected and I was hoping Melo got to the point where we accepted him, but clearly he didn't and that was a factor in Lin leaving. Not the only reason, but a factor. For instance, I think if Melo wanted Lin back strongly and told Dolan as much it's much more likely Lin would be a Knick.

To be a Knicks fan I don't have to blindly pretend that Melo isn't a flawed player. And I'm allowed to observe that it appears Melo isn't thrilled to be playing with Lin. I don't think being a fan of a team comes with any stipulations of having to blindly cheer every move.

Letting Lin go was a mistake. I'm allowed to say that. Obviously it's my opinion. But I still get to have that opinion. You're entitled to yours and I don't think I've ever tried to take that away from you. I have a feeling if Lin continues to play well in Houston and the Knicks have a bad night, you will see plenty of people start a thread about Lin and how it was a mistake to let him go. I'm also pretty sure that if Felton has a good night and the Knicks win and the Rockets struggle / Lin has a bad night you will see plenty of crowing from the crowd who is "pro-Knicks" and who have constantly said "it's time to move on." That's the way this goes.

I'm a Knicks fan - I still think they are not a well run team. They won't win a championship the way they are run. If a first round win is enough for you, okay. I don't think even a first round win is a given with this team, but I will root for it.

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7/21/2012  2:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:Still waiting to hear Jason Kidd speak on this. He specifically said he came to the Knicks to work with Lin. Still think it's funny timing (meaning curious, not hilarious) and sad that Kidd went on a drunk driving rampage about 4 or 5 hours after reports came out that the Knicks were pursuing Felton and planning to let Lin go.

Has Tyson Chandler been quoted about Lin's leaving yet? He's one of the few Knicks stars who is more concerned with winning than his own stat line, so I'd be curious to hear his thoughts.

“I knew the Knicks organization wanted him back,” Tyson Chandler said after training with the Olympic team in Manchester, England. “I know his teammates wanted him back. I felt like Jeremy wanted to come back, but you can’t pass up what Houston threw out there.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-preferred-a-return-ny-knicks-joining-houston-rockets-article-1.1116927#ixzz21HXrukoK

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7/21/2012  3:03 PM
Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

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7/21/2012  10:51 PM
crzymdups wrote:if misterearl isn't already on the MSG PR payroll, he's giving it away for free

So a person cannot had a dissenting opinion(s) without being accused of being on the payroll?

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7/21/2012  11:27 PM
misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

you're going a bit too far methinks. if we went into the season with Lin, Kidd, and Pablo it was Lin's job to lose. you're starting to sound like you just didn't like the kid for god knows what reason. what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy??

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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7/22/2012  12:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2012  12:35 AM
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misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

you're going a bit too far methinks. if we went into the season with Lin, Kidd, and Pablo it was Lin's job to lose. you're starting to sound like you just didn't like the kid for god knows what reason. what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy??


No unlike, just not over the top gushing for his 25 games...as a knick fan, I'm pretty positive you watched the heat dismantle him to the point he could not even dribble.

As a knick fan you noticed his inability to mesh with melo and amare (a point guards job) and then see the over the hill baron Davis right the ship.

We don't dislike him, we just know he is an above average point guard and the 15 million was meant to hurt the Knicks not to benefit lin...and the Knicks didn't bite.

So now it ends up hurting the rockets (no flexibility) and Lin (bulls eye)

Everyone keeps saying we could trade others to not have a luxury tax...i am sorry to say I prefer melo, chandler and amare (especially amare).

That's all, we don't hate like the venom being spit at Dolan and melo.

Just keeping it real my friend.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/22/2012  2:14 AM
babyKnicks wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

you're going a bit too far methinks. if we went into the season with Lin, Kidd, and Pablo it was Lin's job to lose. you're starting to sound like you just didn't like the kid for god knows what reason. what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy??


No unlike, just not over the top gushing for his 25 games...as a knick fan, I'm pretty positive you watched the heat dismantle him to the point he could not even dribble.

As a knick fan you noticed his inability to mesh with melo and amare (a point guards job) and then see the over the hill baron Davis right the ship.

We don't dislike him, we just know he is an above average point guard and the 15 million was meant to hurt the Knicks not to benefit lin...and the Knicks didn't bite.

So now it ends up hurting the rockets (no flexibility) and Lin (bulls eye)

Everyone keeps saying we could trade others to not have a luxury tax...i am sorry to say I prefer melo, chandler and amare (especially amare).

That's all, we don't hate like the venom being spit at Dolan and melo.

Just keeping it real my friend.

Are you saying Dolan doesn't deserve to be insulted?

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7/22/2012  7:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2012  7:46 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

you're going a bit too far methinks. if we went into the season with Lin, Kidd, and Pablo it was Lin's job to lose. you're starting to sound like you just didn't like the kid for god knows what reason. what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy??


No unlike, just not over the top gushing for his 25 games...as a knick fan, I'm pretty positive you watched the heat dismantle him to the point he could not even dribble.

As a knick fan you noticed his inability to mesh with melo and amare (a point guards job) and then see the over the hill baron Davis right the ship.

We don't dislike him, we just know he is an above average point guard and the 15 million was meant to hurt the Knicks not to benefit lin...and the Knicks didn't bite.

So now it ends up hurting the rockets (no flexibility) and Lin (bulls eye)

Everyone keeps saying we could trade others to not have a luxury tax...i am sorry to say I prefer melo, chandler and amare (especially amare).

That's all, we don't hate like the venom being spit at Dolan and melo.

Just keeping it real my friend.

Are you saying Dolan doesn't deserve to be insulted?

I'm saying no one deserves to be insulted. Lts live in positivity for our beloved Knicks.

We have two solid centers. 3 point guards, one of the top three scorers in the league, one of the top 5 finishers, the defensive player of the year, etc...

All with dolans money. Take the good with the "bad"

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/22/2012  8:38 AM
Jeremy Lin Played Beautiful Basketball

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy?

GodSave - Jeremy Lin is extremely "likable" for many people. The Answer Man loved Lin more than David Lee and everyone knows the Answer Man loved David Lee. Rudy in shorts. A worldwide sensation. Magazine covers and unlimited press. Unprecedented merchandise sales. A ridiculous contract offer for 25 games. What's not to like?

However.

Please note the thread title GodSave. This is not about your or my personal feelings about Lin. This is about the more important part of the equation - how the PLAYERS feel. Especially the ones he must share the rock, responsibility and reportage with.


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7/22/2012  10:32 AM
babyKnicks wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

you're going a bit too far methinks. if we went into the season with Lin, Kidd, and Pablo it was Lin's job to lose. you're starting to sound like you just didn't like the kid for god knows what reason. what exactly is so unlikeable about the guy??


No unlike, just not over the top gushing for his 25 games...as a knick fan, I'm pretty positive you watched the heat dismantle him to the point he could not even dribble.

As a knick fan you noticed his inability to mesh with melo and amare (a point guards job) and then see the over the hill baron Davis right the ship.

We don't dislike him, we just know he is an above average point guard and the 15 million was meant to hurt the Knicks not to benefit lin...and the Knicks didn't bite.

So now it ends up hurting the rockets (no flexibility) and Lin (bulls eye)

Everyone keeps saying we could trade others to not have a luxury tax...i am sorry to say I prefer melo, chandler and amare (especially amare).

That's all, we don't hate like the venom being spit at Dolan and melo.

Just keeping it real my friend.

Are you saying Dolan doesn't deserve to be insulted?

I'm saying no one deserves to be insulted. Lts live in positivity for our beloved Knicks.

We have two solid centers. 3 point guards, one of the top three scorers in the league, one of the top 5 finishers, the defensive player of the year, etc...

All with dolans money. Take the good with the "bad"

But being miserable and kevetching all the time helps me get through life. Being happy and positive is for happy people not me.

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7/22/2012  10:49 AM
misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

there's no outrage with Fields' contract because he doesn't fit into the main plan. No, I can't tell you that main plan is, but what I can tell you is that he's a Power Forward trapped in a shooting guard's body. Fields is also allergic to the playoffs. He's awful when the stakes rise

Lin, on the other hand, was the main actor in the most special story I've enjoyed as a Knicks fan. "Linsanity" was great. The whole world was pulling for the New York Knicks. When has that ever happened? And that Lin ultimately cared more about the money (and so did Dolan, so I'm not letting management/ownership off the hook either) than continuing that special handful of games chaps my ass.

Good for both of them... but I'm still a little angry with Lin

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misterearl wrote:Player Opinion Survey

CashMoney - "Where's the outrage towards Fields giving his opinion? I guess he should have said no comment as well?"

CashMoney - you make an excellent point. The thing about Lin's contract is that EVERYONE has an opinion on it and that includes each and every Knicks player. They (Grunwald included) know they must stay within the company line and at the same time, they must face the questions of the press.

The extra money on Lin's contract (and his international popularity) obligates his head coach to give Jeremy favored-son status, no matter what.

Is that team-building or favoritism?

there's no outrage with Fields' contract because he doesn't fit into the main plan. No, I can't tell you that main plan is, but what I can tell you is that he's a Power Forward trapped in a shooting guard's body. Fields is also allergic to the playoffs. He's awful when the stakes rise

Lin, on the other hand, was the main actor in the most special story I've enjoyed as a Knicks fan. "Linsanity" was great. The whole world was pulling for the New York Knicks. When has that ever happened? And that Lin ultimately cared more about the money (and so did Dolan, so I'm not letting management/ownership off the hook either) than continuing that special handful of games chaps my ass.

Good for both of them... but I'm still a little angry with Lin

That wasn't the point. Landry was asked about Lin's contract and gave his opinion. Basically said that the amount that Lin is do is nothing for Dolan. No one became upset about the comments.

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SupremeCommander wrote:there's no outrage with Fields' contract because he doesn't fit into the main plan. No, I can't tell you that main plan is, but what I can tell you is that he's a Power Forward trapped in a shooting guard's body. Fields is also allergic to the playoffs. He's awful when the stakes rise

Power forward at 6'7"? The Answer Man would respectfully disagree. Landry Fields was a Saturday Night Live role player trapped in a 6'7 frame. With a dependable outside shot he would resemble (Donnie Walsh's words) John Havlicek and that is not a bad thing. Hondo was an outstanding sixth man. Landry fits there.

SupremeCommander wrote:Lin, on the other hand, was the main actor in the most special story I've enjoyed as a Knicks fan. "Linsanity" was great. The whole world was pulling for the New York Knicks. When has that ever happened? And that Lin ultimately cared more about the money (and so did Dolan, so I'm not letting management/ownership off the hook either) than continuing that special handful of games chaps my ass.

The whole world was pulling for the fantasy ride with Lin to continue. That is different from pulling for the Knicks to win games. Lin was the curiousity you had to see in person. To the casual bandwagoner, whether the Knicks won, or not, was irrelevant. They just wanted to enjoy the ride.

SupremeCommander wrote:Good for both of them... but I'm still a little angry with Lin

Same here. Lin's representatives did their due diligence and understood the culture at 2 Penn Plaza does not tolerate dissent. In this case, it was a deliberate ploy to force Dolan into a corner. No multi-millionaire is down with that unless the prize is Lebron James.

If Williams & Connally/ Roger Montgomery did not do their homework regarding the control-freak culture of MSG, Lin would be wise to consider CAA in two years.

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