GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Ok, but on ESPN Radio they were just talking about it and the fact is that Lin ever signed the so called original offer. The Rockets leaked the offer, the Knicks stupidly said they would match. Broussard says that Lin did not leak 3 for 19 AND did not go back to Houston to get more $$. IT was all due to Knicks mishandling!

What a bunch of idiots. Now they are bad mouthing Lin with the 85% BS and the Agent crap! Stephen A, is the mouthpiece for DOLAN. He is spouting exactly what they want him to!

Even more reasons to really dislike the owner of this team. They screwed up, and instead of making the right basketball decision and fixing their mistake, they pouted and look like a bunch of babies! At the same time, they have lost the best story that they have had in years and turned it into an ugly, acrimonious ending!

There are many more reliable reporters/beat staff that are suggesting that Lin or his representation did go back to the negotiating table with Houston. Houston instigated? Lin's agents instigated? Who knows.

Certainly the Knicks did not.

Of course the Knicks didn't and the Knicks did not even keep contact with Lin thru the process! That is the point. It was Woodson bragging to everyone that they would match that caused Houston to rethink it and increase the offer with the poison pill.

Once again, Morey made the Knicks blink. This is a recurring theme.

dammed if you do comment and dammed if you don't.

If all Mike did was say "no comment" he would be blamed by the same posters that he didn't show Lin the love and that's the reason Lin left. As a whole, the Knicks fan-base can't have it both ways about how much the Knicks' staff talks to the media.

BTW, it's my understanding that the GM/Owner would have final say in matters like this and I don't recall seeing a quote directly from Glen.

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Ok, but on ESPN Radio they were just talking about it and the fact is that Lin ever signed the so called original offer. The Rockets leaked the offer, the Knicks stupidly said they would match. Broussard says that Lin did not leak 3 for 19 AND did not go back to Houston to get more $$. IT was all due to Knicks mishandling!

What a bunch of idiots. Now they are bad mouthing Lin with the 85% BS and the Agent crap! Stephen A, is the mouthpiece for DOLAN. He is spouting exactly what they want him to!

Even more reasons to really dislike the owner of this team. They screwed up, and instead of making the right basketball decision and fixing their mistake, they pouted and look like a bunch of babies! At the same time, they have lost the best story that they have had in years and turned it into an ugly, acrimonious ending!

There are many more reliable reporters/beat staff that are suggesting that Lin or his representation did go back to the negotiating table with Houston. Houston instigated? Lin's agents instigated? Who knows.

Certainly the Knicks did not.

Of course the Knicks didn't and the Knicks did not even keep contact with Lin thru the process! That is the point. It was Woodson bragging to everyone that they would match that caused Houston to rethink it and increase the offer with the poison pill.

Once again, Morey made the Knicks blink. This is a recurring theme.

dammed if you do comment and dammed if you don't.

If all Mike did was say "no comment" he would be blamed by the same posters that he didn't show Lin the love and that's the reason Lin left. As a whole, the Knicks fan-base can't have it both ways about how much the Knicks' staff talks to the media.

BTW, it's my understanding that the GM/Owner would have final say in matters like this and I don't recall seeing a quote directly from Glen.

Lin says now he preferred New York. I'm not sure, but when an NBA team provides you with an offer sheet, do they also point a gun at your head while slamming a pen down on the table?

Could Jeremy not have looked over the offer and had his agents go back to Grunwald and say, "...this is what's on the table, what can we do to make Lin a Knick? Money's not important to Jeremy, but the opportunity to finish something special here is."

That did not happen because the priority here is money, not team loyalty, not afterthoughts of how much the Lin loved the Garden fans, not all the humble pie BS he obviously spouted in press conference after press conference. And please don't tell me about all the fabulous opportunity at success Lin's going to have professionally playing in that hotbed of basketball history that is the Toyota Center.

This was about money, and essentially an NBDL reject who got cut twice and captured lightning in a bottle at just the right time. And some agents who managed to find one willing owner to play blind man's bluff with.

I had my meniscus done last August, obviously not by anyone who could park cars at the practice Lin had his done at, but it's taken months to get back to any semblance of normalcy. I don't blame Lin for deciding not to get torched by Miami at less than
100% in order to possibly prolong the inevitable. What would we have seen? Maybe Lin on the floor re-enacting the BDiddy highlight of the year?

I just wish just once, Dolan could have been a contrarian the right way. They were reporting the Knicks weren't going to match for most of the day. He could have thought, hey, I paid FatCurry 21 million to sit on a bench and do nothing. This could turn into something so much more than that.

We just really could have been so much more deep than we are now, provided Lin was healthy and for real.

Does this mean JKidd just resigns himself to spending his tenure here in an AA rehab? Who wants to spend the end of a HOF career mentoring/caddying for Felton?

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Ok, but on ESPN Radio they were just talking about it and the fact is that Lin ever signed the so called original offer. The Rockets leaked the offer, the Knicks stupidly said they would match. Broussard says that Lin did not leak 3 for 19 AND did not go back to Houston to get more $$. IT was all due to Knicks mishandling!

What a bunch of idiots. Now they are bad mouthing Lin with the 85% BS and the Agent crap! Stephen A, is the mouthpiece for DOLAN. He is spouting exactly what they want him to!

Even more reasons to really dislike the owner of this team. They screwed up, and instead of making the right basketball decision and fixing their mistake, they pouted and look like a bunch of babies! At the same time, they have lost the best story that they have had in years and turned it into an ugly, acrimonious ending!

There are many more reliable reporters/beat staff that are suggesting that Lin or his representation did go back to the negotiating table with Houston. Houston instigated? Lin's agents instigated? Who knows.

Certainly the Knicks did not.

Of course the Knicks didn't and the Knicks did not even keep contact with Lin thru the process! That is the point. It was Woodson bragging to everyone that they would match that caused Houston to rethink it and increase the offer with the poison pill.

Once again, Morey made the Knicks blink. This is a recurring theme.

dammed if you do comment and dammed if you don't.

If all Mike did was say "no comment" he would be blamed by the same posters that he didn't show Lin the love and that's the reason Lin left. As a whole, the Knicks fan-base can't have it both ways about how much the Knicks' staff talks to the media.

BTW, it's my understanding that the GM/Owner would have final say in matters like this and I don't recall seeing a quote directly from Glen.

Lin says now he preferred New York. I'm not sure, but when an NBA team provides you with an offer sheet, do they also point a gun at your head while slamming a pen down on the table?

Could Jeremy not have looked over the offer and had his agents go back to Grunwald and say, "...this is what's on the table, what can we do to make Lin a Knick? Money's not important to Jeremy, but the opportunity to finish something special here is."

That did not happen because the priority here is money, not team loyalty, not afterthoughts of how much the Lin loved the Garden fans, not all the humble pie BS he obviously spouted in press conference after press conference. And please don't tell me about all the fabulous opportunity at success Lin's going to have professionally playing in that hotbed of basketball history that is the Toyota Center.

This was about money, and essentially an NBDL reject who got cut twice and captured lightning in a bottle at just the right time. And some agents who managed to find one willing owner to play blind man's bluff with.

I had my meniscus done last August, obviously not by anyone who could park cars at the practice Lin had his done at, but it's taken months to get back to any semblance of normalcy. I don't blame Lin for deciding not to get torched by Miami at less than
100% in order to possibly prolong the inevitable. What would we have seen? Maybe Lin on the floor re-enacting the BDiddy highlight of the year?

I just wish just once, Dolan could have been a contrarian the right way. They were reporting the Knicks weren't going to match for most of the day. He could have thought, hey, I paid FatCurry 21 million to sit on a bench and do nothing. This could turn into something so much more than that.

We just really could have been so much more deep than we are now, provided Lin was healthy and for real.

Does this mean JKidd just resigns himself to spending his tenure here in an AA rehab? Who wants to spend the end of a HOF career mentoring/caddying for Felton?

I don't think I understand that point. The only thing the Knicks could do was accept a signed offer (esp considering it was over what they could offer).

Gymkata wrote:And one more note on JR: the guy signed on for $2.8 million, a huge paycut considering the sill money being tossed around elsewhere. That sort of thing is valued around here, right?

That's what I don't get about the Lin Lovers. They defend to the end a guy who clearly had his eyes out the door. No matter what he said to SI, flying to Vegas to reneg speaks volumes. JR, on the other hand, sacrificed big money, because he loves playing and hanging out in NY. Having the Bird rights next year helps JR, but he could've easily gotten a 2 yr or 3 yr deal elsewhere for more money. No matter what JR does off the court, you gotta love that sort of loyalty as a Knicks fan.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Gymkata wrote:And one more note on JR: the guy signed on for $2.8 million, a huge paycut considering the sill money being tossed around elsewhere. That sort of thing is valued around here, right?

That's what I don't get about the Lin Lovers. They defend to the end a guy who clearly had his eyes out the door. No matter what he said to SI, flying to Vegas to reneg speaks volumes. JR, on the other hand, sacrificed big money, because he loves playing and hanging out in NY. Having the Bird rights next year helps JR, but he could've easily gotten a 2 yr or 3 yr deal elsewhere for more money. No matter what JR does off the court, you gotta love that sort of loyalty as a Knicks fan.

I did not see that anywhere. All that is true is that he signed the only official offer sheet ever given to him. NY reacted to an unofficial offer sheet prematurely. Houston sent out a trial balloon and the Knicks bought it.

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Ok, but on ESPN Radio they were just talking about it and the fact is that Lin ever signed the so called original offer. The Rockets leaked the offer, the Knicks stupidly said they would match. Broussard says that Lin did not leak 3 for 19 AND did not go back to Houston to get more $$. IT was all due to Knicks mishandling!

What a bunch of idiots. Now they are bad mouthing Lin with the 85% BS and the Agent crap! Stephen A, is the mouthpiece for DOLAN. He is spouting exactly what they want him to!

Even more reasons to really dislike the owner of this team. They screwed up, and instead of making the right basketball decision and fixing their mistake, they pouted and look like a bunch of babies! At the same time, they have lost the best story that they have had in years and turned it into an ugly, acrimonious ending!

There are many more reliable reporters/beat staff that are suggesting that Lin or his representation did go back to the negotiating table with Houston. Houston instigated? Lin's agents instigated? Who knows.

Certainly the Knicks did not.

Of course the Knicks didn't and the Knicks did not even keep contact with Lin thru the process! That is the point. It was Woodson bragging to everyone that they would match that caused Houston to rethink it and increase the offer with the poison pill.

Once again, Morey made the Knicks blink. This is a recurring theme.

dammed if you do comment and dammed if you don't.

If all Mike did was say "no comment" he would be blamed by the same posters that he didn't show Lin the love and that's the reason Lin left. As a whole, the Knicks fan-base can't have it both ways about how much the Knicks' staff talks to the media.

BTW, it's my understanding that the GM/Owner would have final say in matters like this and I don't recall seeing a quote directly from Glen.

Lin says now he preferred New York. I'm not sure, but when an NBA team provides you with an offer sheet, do they also point a gun at your head while slamming a pen down on the table?

Could Jeremy not have looked over the offer and had his agents go back to Grunwald and say, "...this is what's on the table, what can we do to make Lin a Knick? Money's not important to Jeremy, but the opportunity to finish something special here is."

That did not happen because the priority here is money, not team loyalty, not afterthoughts of how much the Lin loved the Garden fans, not all the humble pie BS he obviously spouted in press conference after press conference. And please don't tell me about all the fabulous opportunity at success Lin's going to have professionally playing in that hotbed of basketball history that is the Toyota Center.

This was about money, and essentially an NBDL reject who got cut twice and captured lightning in a bottle at just the right time. And some agents who managed to find one willing owner to play blind man's bluff with.

I had my meniscus done last August, obviously not by anyone who could park cars at the practice Lin had his done at, but it's taken months to get back to any semblance of normalcy. I don't blame Lin for deciding not to get torched by Miami at less than
100% in order to possibly prolong the inevitable. What would we have seen? Maybe Lin on the floor re-enacting the BDiddy highlight of the year?

I just wish just once, Dolan could have been a contrarian the right way. They were reporting the Knicks weren't going to match for most of the day. He could have thought, hey, I paid FatCurry 21 million to sit on a bench and do nothing. This could turn into something so much more than that.

We just really could have been so much more deep than we are now, provided Lin was healthy and for real.

Does this mean JKidd just resigns himself to spending his tenure here in an AA rehab? Who wants to spend the end of a HOF career mentoring/caddying for Felton?

I don't think I understand that point. The only thing the Knicks could do was accept a signed offer (esp considering it was over what they could offer).

Like I said, is that the only thing the Knicks or Lin could do under the new CBA? Match offer sheets? I'm just asking the question, since any of the CBA minutiae about restricted free agency and Bird rights elude me.

I'm just wondering if there was any other possible way for this to have gone down.

all the Knicks could do was match. It was out of their hands.

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Ok, but on ESPN Radio they were just talking about it and the fact is that Lin ever signed the so called original offer. The Rockets leaked the offer, the Knicks stupidly said they would match. Broussard says that Lin did not leak 3 for 19 AND did not go back to Houston to get more $$. IT was all due to Knicks mishandling!

What a bunch of idiots. Now they are bad mouthing Lin with the 85% BS and the Agent crap! Stephen A, is the mouthpiece for DOLAN. He is spouting exactly what they want him to!

Even more reasons to really dislike the owner of this team. They screwed up, and instead of making the right basketball decision and fixing their mistake, they pouted and look like a bunch of babies! At the same time, they have lost the best story that they have had in years and turned it into an ugly, acrimonious ending!

There are many more reliable reporters/beat staff that are suggesting that Lin or his representation did go back to the negotiating table with Houston. Houston instigated? Lin's agents instigated? Who knows.

Certainly the Knicks did not.

Of course the Knicks didn't and the Knicks did not even keep contact with Lin thru the process! That is the point. It was Woodson bragging to everyone that they would match that caused Houston to rethink it and increase the offer with the poison pill.

Once again, Morey made the Knicks blink. This is a recurring theme.

dammed if you do comment and dammed if you don't.

If all Mike did was say "no comment" he would be blamed by the same posters that he didn't show Lin the love and that's the reason Lin left. As a whole, the Knicks fan-base can't have it both ways about how much the Knicks' staff talks to the media.

BTW, it's my understanding that the GM/Owner would have final say in matters like this and I don't recall seeing a quote directly from Glen.

Lin says now he preferred New York. I'm not sure, but when an NBA team provides you with an offer sheet, do they also point a gun at your head while slamming a pen down on the table?

Could Jeremy not have looked over the offer and had his agents go back to Grunwald and say, "...this is what's on the table, what can we do to make Lin a Knick? Money's not important to Jeremy, but the opportunity to finish something special here is."

That did not happen because the priority here is money, not team loyalty, not afterthoughts of how much the Lin loved the Garden fans, not all the humble pie BS he obviously spouted in press conference after press conference. And please don't tell me about all the fabulous opportunity at success Lin's going to have professionally playing in that hotbed of basketball history that is the Toyota Center.

This was about money, and essentially an NBDL reject who got cut twice and captured lightning in a bottle at just the right time. And some agents who managed to find one willing owner to play blind man's bluff with.

I had my meniscus done last August, obviously not by anyone who could park cars at the practice Lin had his done at, but it's taken months to get back to any semblance of normalcy. I don't blame Lin for deciding not to get torched by Miami at less than
100% in order to possibly prolong the inevitable. What would we have seen? Maybe Lin on the floor re-enacting the BDiddy highlight of the year?

I just wish just once, Dolan could have been a contrarian the right way. They were reporting the Knicks weren't going to match for most of the day. He could have thought, hey, I paid FatCurry 21 million to sit on a bench and do nothing. This could turn into something so much more than that.

We just really could have been so much more deep than we are now, provided Lin was healthy and for real.

Does this mean JKidd just resigns himself to spending his tenure here in an AA rehab? Who wants to spend the end of a HOF career mentoring/caddying for Felton?

I don't think I understand that point. The only thing the Knicks could do was accept a signed offer (esp considering it was over what they could offer).

Like I said, is that the only thing the Knicks or Lin could do under the new CBA? Match offer sheets? I'm just asking the question, since any of the CBA minutiae about restricted free agency and Bird rights elude me.

I'm just wondering if there was any other possible way for this to have gone down.

all the Knicks could do was match. It was out of their hands.

But is that all Lin, Inc. could do, was sign offer sheets and then renegotiate them? He didn't sign the first one that Houston offered for four years, did he?

A restricted free agent is subject to his current team's Right of First Refusal, meaning that the player can be signed to an offer sheet by another team, but his current club reserves the right to match the offer and keep the player. An offer sheet is a contract offer of at least two years made by another team to a restricted free agent.[9] The player's current club has three days to match the offer or loses the player to the new team; the CBA prior to 2011 allowed seven days.[16]

What if he doesn't sign the offer sheet but negotiates with his team? If that's not an option, okay, but if it was, then it wasn't entirely out of the Knicks hands. If effect, they were forcing him to sign an offer sheet before they would do anything. If that's the only way things work, fine; I have no point.

Which happens often.

misterearl wrote:Plain And Simple

The Sage - Jeremy Lin/ Williams & Connally running back to Morey and the Rockets (to up their offer) after the Knicks informed they would match the original offer was not cool.

In the eyes of The Dolan Family, they got too greedy and showed a sign of disrespect.

There is no Linsanity in Houston.

Maybe the Knicks never should have opened their mouth about matching until the offer sheet was actually signed. IMO, how is this on Lin when he never had an original offer sheet to sign. Knicks said they would match the floated original offer, Rockets came back and upped it, Lin didn't. And what else was he supposed to sign? He had no other offer sheet. Knicks are dumb for letting him walk for nothing.