BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

Melo didn't cost us Walsh. Dolan cost us Walsh when he tried to nickle and dime him. Maybe it was a s ign of things to come.
2.) In the end, Melo cost us Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov. How can you not do that deal if it's offered to you.
3.) Melo had nothing to do with the Lin deal. I'm sure he didn't tell Lin to get a Poison pill contract and I'm positive that he had no contact with Morey during the entire process.
Melo has his faults, but let's be objective.

Bottom line though is Melo created a bidding war. One team (Nets) were desperate. The other team (Knicks) only had a desperate owner. Once Dolan became smitten with Melo (god knows why) good decision making went bye bye

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

Melo didn't cost us Walsh. Dolan cost us Walsh when he tried to nickle and dime him. Maybe it was a s ign of things to come.
2.) In the end, Melo cost us Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov. How can you not do that deal if it's offered to you.
3.) Melo had nothing to do with the Lin deal. I'm sure he didn't tell Lin to get a Poison pill contract and I'm positive that he had no contact with Morey during the entire process.
Melo has his faults, but let's be objective.

oh I agree... I dont mean Melo cost us Walsh like he wanted Donnie gone or something, it was 100% Dolan no ifs ands or butts. Its 100% colateral damage and not Melo's fault, but Melo coming here ended up costing us Walsh.

Bottom line though is Melo created a bidding war. One team (Nets) were desperate. The other team (Knicks) only had a desperate owner. Once Dolan became smitten with Melo (god knows why) good decision making went bye bye

You say it's not all his fault & yet you persist in throwing inflammatory jabs at him designed to rile everybody up. I think that's what i'm really trying to understand about this, is there some sort of need to have a hated villain even within a family structure. I mean it's one thing when we're hating on Lebron or somebody else from another team, that we have a rivalry with but there seems to be some perverse "need" by NY sports fans to "hate" on their own players. I just don't get it???

I saw Marbury's mask opened during the whole fiasco. He was just a scared little boy eating Vaseline and crying to R&B songs on Justin.tv, his talent squandered and joy stolen by . passive-aggressive mismanagement of Stephon made him briefly a more sympathetic character to me.

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

I agree with you 100%, but heck carmelo isn't even A-rod... at least A-rod helped the yanks win a ring and at the very least, A-rod was considered the best player in the sport(3x Al MVP).. I can understand not winning a ring as championships can be tough and sometimes you have to be in the right place, but hell carmelo hasn't won any individual awards either.. NO MVP, no NBA first team, heck no scoring titles for a guy who is called the best scorer in the league.. another BS myth!

Uptown wrote:Pretty Much....As you say I root for the uniform. Dont understand how some fans can root for the Knicks and at the same time say "I try to ignore Melo on the court." Makes no sense. Its almost like some want the Knicks to win and hope that the player that they made the villian has a bad game just to validate an argument on a sports forum. Or vice versa. Some want "Said player" to have a good game at all cost regardless if their fav team wins. Its crazy....

But Marbury wore the uniform too. Why is he not forgiven?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Uptown wrote:Pretty Much....As you say I root for the uniform. Dont understand how some fans can root for the Knicks and at the same time say "I try to ignore Melo on the court." Makes no sense. Its almost like some want the Knicks to win and hope that the player that they made the villian has a bad game just to validate an argument on a sports forum. Or vice versa. Some want "Said player" to have a good game at all cost regardless if their fav team wins. Its crazy....

But Marbury wore the uniform too. Why is he not forgiven?

One playoff appearance than call himself the best PG in the NBA and plays like Chris Duhon.

fishmike wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

Melo didn't cost us Walsh. Dolan cost us Walsh when he tried to nickle and dime him. Maybe it was a s ign of things to come.
2.) In the end, Melo cost us Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov. How can you not do that deal if it's offered to you.
3.) Melo had nothing to do with the Lin deal. I'm sure he didn't tell Lin to get a Poison pill contract and I'm positive that he had no contact with Morey during the entire process.
Melo has his faults, but let's be objective.

oh I agree... I dont mean Melo cost us Walsh like he wanted Donnie gone or something, it was 100% Dolan no ifs ands or butts. Its 100% colateral damage and not Melo's fault, but Melo coming here ended up costing us Walsh.

Bottom line though is Melo created a bidding war. One team (Nets) were desperate. The other team (Knicks) only had a desperate owner. Once Dolan became smitten with Melo (god knows why) good decision making went bye bye

You say it's not all his fault & yet you persist in throwing inflammatory jabs at him designed to rile everybody up. I think that's what i'm really trying to understand about this, is there some sort of need to have a hated villain even within a family structure. I mean it's one thing when we're hating on Lebron or somebody else from another team, that we have a rivalry with but there seems to be some perverse "need" by NY sports fans to "hate" on their own players. I just don't get it???

I dont hate on Melo. Tell me one inflammitory thing I have said. I dont need to make him a villian, and only once in my whole sports fan life have I ever rooted for a player on a team I love to fail, and that was Marbs.

When Melo plays great Im happy. Im a Knick fan. I just dont pretend he's something he's not. Thats what seems to upset folks.

You constantly trash the guy. I guess it's ok if after you do it you say your a knick fan and you want him to do well.?

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

Melo didn't cost us Walsh. Dolan cost us Walsh when he tried to nickle and dime him. Maybe it was a s ign of things to come.
2.) In the end, Melo cost us Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov. How can you not do that deal if it's offered to you.
3.) Melo had nothing to do with the Lin deal. I'm sure he didn't tell Lin to get a Poison pill contract and I'm positive that he had no contact with Morey during the entire process.
Melo has his faults, but let's be objective.

oh I agree... I dont mean Melo cost us Walsh like he wanted Donnie gone or something, it was 100% Dolan no ifs ands or butts. Its 100% colateral damage and not Melo's fault, but Melo coming here ended up costing us Walsh.

Bottom line though is Melo created a bidding war. One team (Nets) were desperate. The other team (Knicks) only had a desperate owner. Once Dolan became smitten with Melo (god knows why) good decision making went bye bye

You say it's not all his fault & yet you persist in throwing inflammatory jabs at him designed to rile everybody up. I think that's what i'm really trying to understand about this, is there some sort of need to have a hated villain even within a family structure. I mean it's one thing when we're hating on Lebron or somebody else from another team, that we have a rivalry with but there seems to be some perverse "need" by NY sports fans to "hate" on their own players. I just don't get it???

I dont hate on Melo. Tell me one inflammitory thing I have said. I dont need to make him a villian, and only once in my whole sports fan life have I ever rooted for a player on a team I love to fail, and that was Marbs.

When Melo plays great Im happy. Im a Knick fan. I just dont pretend he's something he's not. Thats what seems to upset folks.

You constantly trash the guy. I guess it's ok if after you do it you say your a knick fan and you want him to do well.?

Haven't you constantly trashed members of this organization?

Yep. Always thought I was right when I did it so I see your point.

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Its not ALL MElo's fault, but he cost us the first decent GM we had in decades in Walsh (because Dolan forced that trade). He cost us all the young players on our roster with that trade. We cost us the max cap space that offseason so there goes the hope and pretending behind all great players who wouldnt sign here.

Whats he done as a Knick? Quit on a coach and team. Commented about other player's contract. Lured great teammates like JR (they share the same school of thought on shot selection).

Whats he done before the Knicks? Whats his trackrecord of leadership? Playoff wins? Do people see a great player to build around? Or a guy who sucker punches you and runs away?

Melo isnt Marbury. But LIKE Marbury his arrival is the start of something lame and twice Melo killed something exciting.

To me he's ARod. He thinks hes the best. The all star games, wax statues... he's a good player. He's got skills and talent. Enough to get you into the playoffs every year where his iso-ball utterly falls short against NBA playoff caliber teams. I dont hate him, but what has Melo given me to like? At least ARod had the one great postseason and was easily the best player on the field that year and LED Yanks to a WS win. Some of those late HRs were epic. Kind of what you expect from the highest paid player in the game. What has Melo delivered? Everyone is just waiting.... Im sure this is the year. Chuckbuck got a text from Dolan say so.

Melo didn't cost us Walsh. Dolan cost us Walsh when he tried to nickle and dime him. Maybe it was a s ign of things to come.
2.) In the end, Melo cost us Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov. How can you not do that deal if it's offered to you.
3.) Melo had nothing to do with the Lin deal. I'm sure he didn't tell Lin to get a Poison pill contract and I'm positive that he had no contact with Morey during the entire process.
Melo has his faults, but let's be objective.

oh I agree... I dont mean Melo cost us Walsh like he wanted Donnie gone or something, it was 100% Dolan no ifs ands or butts. Its 100% colateral damage and not Melo's fault, but Melo coming here ended up costing us Walsh.

Bottom line though is Melo created a bidding war. One team (Nets) were desperate. The other team (Knicks) only had a desperate owner. Once Dolan became smitten with Melo (god knows why) good decision making went bye bye

You say it's not all his fault & yet you persist in throwing inflammatory jabs at him designed to rile everybody up. I think that's what i'm really trying to understand about this, is there some sort of need to have a hated villain even within a family structure. I mean it's one thing when we're hating on Lebron or somebody else from another team, that we have a rivalry with but there seems to be some perverse "need" by NY sports fans to "hate" on their own players. I just don't get it???

I dont hate on Melo. Tell me one inflammitory thing I have said. I dont need to make him a villian, and only once in my whole sports fan life have I ever rooted for a player on a team I love to fail, and that was Marbs.

When Melo plays great Im happy. Im a Knick fan. I just dont pretend he's something he's not. Thats what seems to upset folks.

You constantly trash the guy. I guess it's ok if after you do it you say your a knick fan and you want him to do well.?

Haven't you constantly trashed members of this organization?

Yep. Always thought I was right when I did it so I see your point.

You might be right or wrong depending on what you're saying.

There's no harm in saying James Dolan is a buffoon though.

don't blame melo for making MDA fustrated enough to just give up, blame management for putting a pamper on melo and burping him after he drinks gatorade..