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7/18/2012  1:22 PM
Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.
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7/18/2012  1:26 PM
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Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.


"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."

What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.

"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/07/18/jeremy-lin-exclusive/index.html#ixzz20zk7BVQw

yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.

Wow. Yeah. It does sound sincere.


His publicist is worth every penny.

That was from a phone interview with Lin. I guess his publicist was holding up flash cards.

Knicks, meanwhile feel so comfortable about the decision they don't have plans to talk about it. Yeah, because when you feel good about a decision you DONT want to talk about it.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman

#Knicks comfortable enough with Lin decision they have no plans to explain it today. No conference call with Glen or Woodie this week

5 minutes before the interview...

Publicist "Jeremy here are some notes I jotted down. You want to sound sincere. These bullet points are stuff you want to hit on. You need to thank the fans. They eat that stuff up. You Ned to say you never wanted to leave. We have to keep that squeaky image clean. No casual fan is going to care about the "rumours" of how you left. Now just try and sound as humble and grateful as you can you'll be fine. Oh and I will be standing right here the entire time in case you are in trouble. Let's market your brand, Jeremy."

3 minutes 30 seconds later...ring ring ring

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7/18/2012  1:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

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7/18/2012  1:30 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

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7/18/2012  1:34 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

Who said he was evil? Bro you need to dial it back a notch you are getting mighty defensive over this. Let's start over. You know what a publicist is for right?

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7/18/2012  1:37 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

Who said he was evil? Bro you need to dial it back a notch you are getting mighty defensive over this. Let's start over. You know what a publicist is for right?

yes. i don't see how lin having a publicist makes him untrustworthy. dolan has publicists, too.

and apparently the knicks were angry lin hired a publicist and that was one of the reasons they had to let him go.

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7/18/2012  1:38 PM
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crzymdups wrote:Just because the Rockets acted unethically (which I absolutely agree, they did), didn't mean the Knicks had to respond like babies to spite... who, exactly? Who did the Knicks spite by responding that way? The fans? That's what it feels like.

Respond like babies? Because they wouldn't take the offer, while they were probably getting the Felton deal done? Or was it by not matching Lin, which according to this article they discussed and considered til the end but couldn't get the insurance trade proposal needed to take the hit on the big contract?

I know most still hate the Knicks for this situation and this time, contrary to the past, they may not be the only bad guys in the issue. They made their mistakes, true, but new details are coming to the surface that let you know they didn't see this from a personal standpoint and the other sides, namely Houston and Lin, have just as much responsibility in the mess as New York.

Here's a good point - if you weren't sold on Lin and knew you wanted Camby... before Lin technically signed with Houston, include Lin in the Camby deal as a sign and trade.

Get more assets.

Knicks COULD have done that before Lin signed the offer sheet. And Camby was a Knick before Lin signed the offer sheet.

Sooo. That's one way they could have not responded like babies.

I understand it is easier to believe the Knicks simply didn't want Lin back so its easier to blame New York, but again that is a simplistic way of analyzing this.

I believe the Knicks did want Lin back and when he got the first offer, they were making plans with Lin in mind as they were going to match the offer. That is why they didn't explore (did they?) making a bigger trade with Lin included so they got assets for him. Since it is expected that a team that makes an offer won't change it, they weren't worried about the process.

Then things get out of hand. The Rockets change their offer to poison pill status and not only that, but Lin signs it immediately, removing any chance of a sign and trade. At the same time, market keeps moving and only a few Point Guards remain, one of them their backup plan, Felton. They make the trade so they can still be competitive in case Lin has to be let go, but they still try to explore scenarios where they keep him. Options seem to be limited, leading to the harder than believed decision to let Lin go.

Im sincerely not trying to side with anybody in that interpretation of what happened. I think all the sides made mistakes, some probably acknowledged and some not. Maybe Lin believed NY would really match any offer and signed the new offer sheet without considering it was a tougher poison pill than expected. Maybe the Rockets just upped their offer at the request of Lin's team and not to screw NY and check-mate them so they let Lin go. New York definitely made a mistake taking the Rockets verbal agreement as an official one and not preparing for what happened, but again the Rockets did break an unspoken business rule in the NBA.

I think that in this case, contrary to past controversies, the Knicks are taking way more heat and blame than they truly deserved. They made mistakes during this process, but it seems they explored most options they had before concluding they couldn't match Lin.

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7/18/2012  1:52 PM
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Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.


"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."

What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.

"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/07/18/jeremy-lin-exclusive/index.html#ixzz20zk7BVQw

yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.

This has been beaten to death, but if you want to make sure you play the rest of your career with New York, you bring them the new offer Houston wants you to deal so you AT LEAST know if they are going to match.

I know, I know, you never turn down money, but lets not be simplistic analyzing that. Lin knows in NY he has a chance to make up in endorsements for the 5 million in difference. Lets say Houston wanted to screw the Knicks and get Lin by revamping the offer. What should Lin do? Go back to the Knicks, who at the moment believe the offer is the original three year deal. You make your agent go back to them and see if they will match the new one. Its simple.

So of course Lin will say he wanted to stay and in a way he is telling the truth, but by signing a new offer sheet without true knowledge if the Knicks will match, you are also saying "I want to play for the Houston Rockets."

If you read that article you will see that he had no contact with the Knicks at all. The offer sheet in front of him from Houston was the only one he had on hand. Was he just supposed to not sign a deal to play in the NBA next season?

Knicks completely botched this. Whether it's because Melo didn't want to share the ball or Dolan didn't like the contract... who knows? The Knicks aren't talking though.

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Knicks still have no plans to publicly explain decision on Lin. Their prerogative, but lack of transparency hurts credibility w/fans.

Come on, no need to go extremist here. First of, Houston made a deal to Lin. Then they changed it. It was immediately understood by everybody it was a poison pill. Remember this discussion started under the premise that Lin wanted to stay in New York for the rest of his career. If there was truly no contact with New York during this process and he only had the Rockets' offer to sign, you have to get your agent to start contact with New York because that is the place you want to go.

The Knicks could match any offer, and were in line to match the first one. But probably just like us, they woke up to the new reality the offer had changed and Lin had signed it. If the Knicks get constantly criminalized for not offering a deal before anybody else (which has been defended as them allowing Lin to test the market), then why not criminalize Lin and his agent for not going back to NY with the offer so NY could make sure they worked a way to make Lin stay?

Lets not make it look that a player has an obligation to immediately accept an offer from a team and in such a short amount of time, unless that person really is fine going to that team. Lin and his agent had their options before accepting the Rockets deal. Lin was definitely going to play in the NBA the next season, so that wasn't in question.

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7/18/2012  1:58 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

No, publicists take care of his client's image and NY is a huge and important market, no matter if he is moving to NY. What a better way to keep NYs market liking LIn than to speak glowingly about NY and about how much he wanted to remain? Its actually brilliant.

But Im not saying Lin's words weren't sincere. I believe they were, but incomplete. He shouldn't have stopped at wanting to remain a Knick for his career, he should've also said how much he wanted to play for Houston, because he did sign to play for them.

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7/18/2012  2:00 PM
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Come on, no need to go extremist here. First of, Houston made a deal to Lin. Then they changed it. It was immediately understood by everybody it was a poison pill. Remember this discussion started under the premise that Lin wanted to stay in New York for the rest of his career. If there was truly no contact with New York during this process and he only had the Rockets' offer to sign, you have to get your agent to start contact with New York because that is the place you want to go.

The Knicks could match any offer, and were in line to match the first one. But probably just like us, they woke up to the new reality the offer had changed and Lin had signed it. If the Knicks get constantly criminalized for not offering a deal before anybody else (which has been defended as them allowing Lin to test the market), then why not criminalize Lin and his agent for not going back to NY with the offer so NY could make sure they worked a way to make Lin stay?

Lets not make it look that a player has an obligation to immediately accept an offer from a team and in such a short amount of time, unless that person really is fine going to that team. Lin and his agent had their options before accepting the Rockets deal. Lin was definitely going to play in the NBA the next season, so that wasn't in question.

The Knicks told him to find a market for himself and he did. What's he supposed to do, meet with the Rockets and take their offer sheet back to the Knicks?

You realize that for him to GET an offer from a team, they have to be kind of convinced that the guy wants to come play for them.

The Knicks played themselves. If you really value a player, you make him a standing offer on July 1.

The Knicks decided to get used by Steve Nash first. (who said NY was never an option - and of course it wouldn't be - does anyone remember how D'Antoni was treated here?@!???!)

This is completely on the Knicks at every step of the process.

And in an off-season where BROOK LOPEZ got a max deal - 4yr $60M. And Landry Fields got 3yr $20M and Kris Humphries got 2yr $24M... somehow Lin isn't worth 3yr $25M!>!!??!?

Lin is the best bargain of that whole group. And I could name more names. Knicks handled it poorly and still had a reasonable offer to match anyway. This wasn't about money.

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7/18/2012  4:24 PM
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

Who said he was evil? Bro you need to dial it back a notch you are getting mighty defensive over this. Let's start over. You know what a publicist is for right?

yes. i don't see how lin having a publicist makes him untrustworthy. dolan has publicists, too.

and apparently the knicks were angry lin hired a publicist and that was one of the reasons they had to let him go.

I'm not saying that is the reason they let him go. I am just saying I am not so quick to buy into Jeremy Lin's humility act when all his actions say otherwise.

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7/18/2012  4:36 PM
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

Who said he was evil? Bro you need to dial it back a notch you are getting mighty defensive over this. Let's start over. You know what a publicist is for right?

yes. i don't see how lin having a publicist makes him untrustworthy. dolan has publicists, too.

and apparently the knicks were angry lin hired a publicist and that was one of the reasons they had to let him go.

I'm not saying that is the reason they let him go. I am just saying I am not so quick to buy into Jeremy Lin's humility act when all his actions say otherwise.

i wasn't joking about the publicist thing. apparently dolan was pissed lin hired a publicist.

and i don't agree that his actions said otherwise when he signed the one contract that was put in front of him all off-season. if the knicks made a contract offer, it'd be a different story. knicks told him to find the market and chased nash.

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7/18/2012  5:10 PM
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Also, if those Lin comments were dictated by his publicist... his publicist is awful. He says he would have prefered NY over Houston... you're going to a new team, you don't want to say that. You want to say you always wanted to be in Houston. His comments were sincere. I know we're not used to that as New York fans. We're used to Melo smiling and saying he had nothing to do with D'Antoni's decision to resign and that he wanted Lin back.

Actually his publicist is damn good. He got you believing.

What's the point of me believing if he plays in Houston? Shouldn't the publicist care about his actual employer and new fan base?

And the Knicks aren't talking to anyone. Which school of publicity is that?

Sometimes the good guys are just the good guys and the bad guys are just the bad guys.

Or what are you saying, Lin is evil because he went out and did exactly what the Knicks told him to do?

Who said he was evil? Bro you need to dial it back a notch you are getting mighty defensive over this. Let's start over. You know what a publicist is for right?

yes. i don't see how lin having a publicist makes him untrustworthy. dolan has publicists, too.

and apparently the knicks were angry lin hired a publicist and that was one of the reasons they had to let him go.

I'm not saying that is the reason they let him go. I am just saying I am not so quick to buy into Jeremy Lin's humility act when all his actions say otherwise.

i wasn't joking about the publicist thing. apparently dolan was pissed lin hired a publicist.

and i don't agree that his actions said otherwise when he signed the one contract that was put in front of him all off-season. if the knicks made a contract offer, it'd be a different story. knicks told him to find the market and chased nash.

I know you are serious about the publicist. And I also believe that the Knicks chased Nash with absolutely every intention of keeping Lin. I made several posts on having no idea how that would work.

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7/18/2012  5:25 PM
the knicks could have lin and for cheap if they negotiated with him first but they wanted nash and as usualy got used Its funny the only players that want to come here (Marbury Melo) dont even help the team anyway
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BRIGGS wrote:Too bad it did not go for the NBA--par the course for Knick fans a positive turned into a negative.

The ruling was a gift to us. Dolan screwed us.
Regardless, would we have been able to keep Novak and JR and add Kidd, Felton, and Camby without the ruling?
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