DurzoBlint wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

arkrud wrote:The Era of Hope is ended.
All questions are answered and all point are set.
Want to say thanks from the bottom of my heart to the players, coaches, and executives who were committed to all I like in pro Sports.
Team game, hard work, good character, camaraderie with the fans and each other.
This things made a winner.
Even Heat with bid 3 has much more of that that Knicks of new Era of Grid and Selfishness which starts now.
Welcome to the Dark Side.

there are people in offices with plush sofas that are there to help people like you.

Massage therapists?

they use tables, not sofa's. Try again :)

Mine uses a water bed - mmmmmmmmmmmm

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

did you just compare Melo to Kobe? Wow! Even tho both are good players, only one got 5 rings and plays excellent D,

mrKnickShot wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

did you just compare Melo to Kobe? Wow! Even tho both are good players, only one got 5 rings and plays excellent D,

Did I? Did I miss something? Where did I compare them?

I pointed out how silly it is to judge a player based on FG%. Based on that argument, Amare is a far better player than Kobe. No? 54pct vs 45pct - no brainer, right?

WRONG!! It's silly. Melo is no kobe but he has a higher shooting pct than him and pierce. hmmmmmm

This was some sort of ownage right here..lol. This Melo hate is ridiculous...that run Melo had after Lin went down to get Knicks in playoffs in their last regular season run was so dominating. Why is that overlooked? The man was a beast and the team play'd incredible defense and looked like a cohesive unit. That was with no Lin, No Amare. This team without Lin or Fields and adding Kidd, Felton & Camby is gonna be incredible. I see nothing short of 50 wins.

You guys can cry about Lin all summer. I'm looking forward to this season. I liked Lin but come on now...it's not even close to that great of a loss.

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

So thanks MrMelo... case closed indeed. You want to win? You better have high% scorers taking a lot of shots. If you have Kobe and Pierce? You STILL NEED HIGH % SCORERS TAKING THE MOST SHOTS.

Thanks for playing. As Chuckbuck would say booya!

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

what case is closed? You proved my point. What did Kobe win when they ran the offense through him? Oh yea.. nothing. Kobe wins TITLES when he has a high% scorer like Shaq. Last title Lakers won they had 3 guys, Odom, Gasol and Bynum all shot over 50%. Pierce? Doesnt win until KG and Rondo (both +50% scorers) join in on the scoring load.

So thanks MrMelo... case closed indeed. You want to win? You better have high% scorers taking a lot of shots. If you have Kobe and Pierce? You STILL NEED HIGH % SCORERS TAKING THE MOST SHOTS.

Thanks for playing. As Chuckbuck would say booya!

Kobe always has taken the most shots for LA.

Besides didn't Tyson have a FG% of almost 68% last year? If STAT gets back to his usual above 50% FG% than we have 2 high FG percentage players playing along with MELO.

He slightly changed his argument as to still take a dig at Melo, but not to take one at players he doesn't want to.

Nobody is stupid enough to say Kobe is league average and you can't build an offense around his 44% career average.

So PP and Kobe had help, though they were featured in title teams offensively........Melo is just not good. LOL

Anji wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

what case is closed? You proved my point. What did Kobe win when they ran the offense through him? Oh yea.. nothing. Kobe wins TITLES when he has a high% scorer like Shaq. Last title Lakers won they had 3 guys, Odom, Gasol and Bynum all shot over 50%. Pierce? Doesnt win until KG and Rondo (both +50% scorers) join in on the scoring load.

So thanks MrMelo... case closed indeed. You want to win? You better have high% scorers taking a lot of shots. If you have Kobe and Pierce? You STILL NEED HIGH % SCORERS TAKING THE MOST SHOTS.

Thanks for playing. As Chuckbuck would say booya!

Kobe always has taken the most shots for LA.

Besides didn't Tyson have a FG% of almost 68% last year? If STAT gets back to his usual above 50% FG% than we have 2 high FG percentage players playing along with MELO.

You don't get it.

He slightly changed his argument as to still take a dig at Melo, but not to take one at players he doesn't want to.

Nobody is stupid enough to say Kobe is league average and you can't build an offense around his 44% career average.

So PP and Kobe had help, though they were featured in title teams offensively........Melo is just not good. LOL

Lets see... post Shaq:
2004-05 - no 50% shooter. No playoffs. Kobe averages 27ppg
2005-06 - Kobe averages 35ppg, no post scorer, first round exit
2006-07 - Kobe 31ppg, another first round (1-4) exit.
2007-08 - ah ha! In comes Gasol, Bynum plays a bigger role and Lakers go to finals. Notice a trend?

So thanks and yea... you can build an offense around a 44% shooter just fine. That will take to the lottery and 3 first round exits.

You act like I make stuff up. This is basketball. I know my ****. Teams with high % scoring win more. Its simple.

This is why Kobe isnt Jordan. Jordan was a + 50% shooter (AMAZING for guard). Kobe IS LEAGUE AVERAGE and you want to ride that? Ride it right to ping pong balls and first round exits. What Kobe is is the best finisher in the league since Jordan.

Thats the roll I have proposed for Melo. As you can see the shots are always there. But Melo needs to play off the higher % shooters.

Otherwise, just like Kobe we will ride Melo to another one and done come next spring.

Now anji... say something that makes some sense dude

Anji wrote:Kobe isn't league average at anything and playing with good players doesn't mean the offense didn't feature Kobe. That's just backwards Logic Fishmike.

Nobody is buying this **** your pulling out your backside, no matter how much you back track.

Playing with good/great big men is always needed, but that doesn't mean Kobe/PP/Melo aren't the number 1 options. They take the most shots for a reason, they are the best offensive players in the league.

I believe it. The best trick Phil Jackson taught Jordan was that he could score his points, but for the first 3+ quarters other guys on the team needed to get theirs first, and Jordan would always have the ball in his hands at the end of shot clock if necessary and certainly at the end of games.

Same transformation that Melo needs.

And Chandler/Amare/others are perfect workhorse guys to get you the other 80% of the buckets.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:grillco... featuring a player who scores at 47% for his career and building around that STAR is bad faulty logic. Thats league average. That was Denver's logic and it failed year after year after year. What you fail to see is Melo's teams didnt get knocked out, they didnt even compete.

So when you choose to build around one guy at all costs yea... you can look at that individual's game and realize he's best suited to be AT BEST the 2nd or 3rd option on the team.

I posted a list of all the guys who have averaged 20ppg for a year on 50% shooting or higher. In the last 10 years its been done 40 times (Amare did it 6 times). Of those 40 times only 3 times did it happen to a player on a losing team (Al Jefferson and David Lee x2). The point is simple... high eff% scoring = winning basketball.

Building around a 47% guy isnt getting it done, and thats why teams built around him dont succeed in the playoffs.

My hope was to see Melo come the finisher. Like a Pierce... Melo can have the ball in his hands at the end of games. Thats a good thing. The guy can play, but he's not a franchise or top 10 guy.

Kobe - .453 career - Top 10 player of all time - CASE CLOSED

Oh sorry - forgot to mention paul pierce (the finisher) - .448 career!!

EDIT: THE GREAT GALLO - .420!! THATS AWESOME!

did you just compare Melo to Kobe? Wow! Even tho both are good players, only one got 5 rings and plays excellent D,

Melo isnt as good as Kobe but to act like Melo ever had a team anywhere near as good as the Lakers is ridiclous