Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:Melo 22.6,
Amare 23.4
Chandler 14.6

We will need to get lucky again (just like we got lucky with Lin) and even than there is no guarantee that we will be able to retain our own free agents and build the team properly around those guys.
I guess the Knicks can only blame themselves for paying MAX money to B Stars.

How many A stars are there in the NBA?

Should the knicks just build the team full of crap would that make u happy.For all the people that keep belittling are players constantly 2 of them are on the Olympic team they cant suck that bad.

Would have been 3 had the Knicks allowed STAT to play. I guess anyone not named, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Wade or Durant is not acceptable as a star player. I guess Chadler lucked out with the DPOY since he's not an "A" star.

I never said that they should not have acquired our three stars; I just think that the Knicks should have negotiated their deals a little bit better considering they knew a hard cap was coming, the team was only half built and we had very little draft picks moving foward.

Negoitate deals better? The only 1 that wouldnt of got that money is Amare and he still would of got close to a max deal or just shorter in terms of years.If we didnt max him out he wouldnt of come here.Could U imagine how Knick fans would of acted if they dumped 2 seasons down the drain and ended up with not 1 All Star level player. Carmelo would of been a max player no matter where he ended up. Brook Lopez got 60 Million and he sux do U really believe Chandlers deal is that bad

Actually out of our three stars, Chandler is the only one living up to his contract to this day and 14 million for the defensive player of the year is a good deal. As far as Brook Lopez, 60 million is too much for him, but again, if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax bill than NO PROBLEMA, now if they start losing players because of Brooks contract then is a big issue.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:Melo 22.6,
Amare 23.4
Chandler 14.6

We will need to get lucky again (just like we got lucky with Lin) and even than there is no guarantee that we will be able to retain our own free agents and build the team properly around those guys.
I guess the Knicks can only blame themselves for paying MAX money to B Stars.

How many A stars are there in the NBA?

Should the knicks just build the team full of crap would that make u happy.For all the people that keep belittling are players constantly 2 of them are on the Olympic team they cant suck that bad.

Would have been 3 had the Knicks allowed STAT to play. I guess anyone not named, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Wade or Durant is not acceptable as a star player. I guess Chadler lucked out with the DPOY since he's not an "A" star.

I never said that they should not have acquired our three stars; I just think that the Knicks should have negotiated their deals a little bit better considering they knew a hard cap was coming, the team was only half built and we had very little draft picks moving foward.

Negoitate deals better? The only 1 that wouldnt of got that money is Amare and he still would of got close to a max deal or just shorter in terms of years.If we didnt max him out he wouldnt of come here.Could U imagine how Knick fans would of acted if they dumped 2 seasons down the drain and ended up with not 1 All Star level player. Carmelo would of been a max player no matter where he ended up. Brook Lopez got 60 Million and he sux do U really believe Chandlers deal is that bad

Actually out of our three stars, Chandler is the only one living up to his contract to this day and 14 million for the defensive player of the year is a good deal. As far as Brook Lopez, 60 million is too much for him, but again, if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax bill than NO PROBLEMA, now if they start losing players because of Brooks contract then is a big issue.

Tyson sucked in the playoffs - if thats living up then I don't know what not living up is.

Also, for the amount that we gave up for him and costing us our amnesty, he has to put up Wilt numbers for me to consider it living up.

We have different way of judging players, Tyson played great defense throughout the year, gave great effort on both end, provide leadership on the team and was a consistent double treat. There is only one player in the NBA capable of putting up Wilt’s number and that guy play in Orlando not NY.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:Melo 22.6,
Amare 23.4
Chandler 14.6

We will need to get lucky again (just like we got lucky with Lin) and even than there is no guarantee that we will be able to retain our own free agents and build the team properly around those guys.
I guess the Knicks can only blame themselves for paying MAX money to B Stars.

How many A stars are there in the NBA?

Should the knicks just build the team full of crap would that make u happy.For all the people that keep belittling are players constantly 2 of them are on the Olympic team they cant suck that bad.

Would have been 3 had the Knicks allowed STAT to play. I guess anyone not named, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Wade or Durant is not acceptable as a star player. I guess Chadler lucked out with the DPOY since he's not an "A" star.

I never said that they should not have acquired our three stars; I just think that the Knicks should have negotiated their deals a little bit better considering they knew a hard cap was coming, the team was only half built and we had very little draft picks moving foward.

Negoitate deals better? The only 1 that wouldnt of got that money is Amare and he still would of got close to a max deal or just shorter in terms of years.If we didnt max him out he wouldnt of come here.Could U imagine how Knick fans would of acted if they dumped 2 seasons down the drain and ended up with not 1 All Star level player. Carmelo would of been a max player no matter where he ended up. Brook Lopez got 60 Million and he sux do U really believe Chandlers deal is that bad

Actually out of our three stars, Chandler is the only one living up to his contract to this day and 14 million for the defensive player of the year is a good deal. As far as Brook Lopez, 60 million is too much for him, but again, if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax bill than NO PROBLEMA, now if they start losing players because of Brooks contract then is a big issue.

Tyson sucked in the playoffs - if thats living up then I don't know what not living up is.

Also, for the amount that we gave up for him and costing us our amnesty, he has to put up Wilt numbers for me to consider it living up.

We have different way of judging players, Tyson played great defense throughout the year, gave great effort on both end, provide leadership on the team and was a consistent double treat. There is only one player in the NBA capable of putting up Wilt’s number and that guy play in Orlando not NY.

If we kept our amnesty then I agree that he lived up. Lets also hope the he does not spend alot of next year hurt like he did for much of his career and that he stays at least at his current level of play which is an anomaly outside of the last 2 years.

I little bit of an offensive game would be a welcome surprise too.

I don't know about you but the playoffs are also important.

Oh yes playoffs are very important, however, I do know that Tyson didn’t play well because we wasn’t 100% healthy, not because we wasn’t trying or wasn’t physically in shape. Tyson is the ultimate Pro.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:Melo 22.6,
Amare 23.4
Chandler 14.6

We will need to get lucky again (just like we got lucky with Lin) and even than there is no guarantee that we will be able to retain our own free agents and build the team properly around those guys.
I guess the Knicks can only blame themselves for paying MAX money to B Stars.

How many A stars are there in the NBA?

Should the knicks just build the team full of crap would that make u happy.For all the people that keep belittling are players constantly 2 of them are on the Olympic team they cant suck that bad.

Would have been 3 had the Knicks allowed STAT to play. I guess anyone not named, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Wade or Durant is not acceptable as a star player. I guess Chadler lucked out with the DPOY since he's not an "A" star.

I never said that they should not have acquired our three stars; I just think that the Knicks should have negotiated their deals a little bit better considering they knew a hard cap was coming, the team was only half built and we had very little draft picks moving foward.

Negoitate deals better? The only 1 that wouldnt of got that money is Amare and he still would of got close to a max deal or just shorter in terms of years.If we didnt max him out he wouldnt of come here.Could U imagine how Knick fans would of acted if they dumped 2 seasons down the drain and ended up with not 1 All Star level player. Carmelo would of been a max player no matter where he ended up. Brook Lopez got 60 Million and he sux do U really believe Chandlers deal is that bad

Actually out of our three stars, Chandler is the only one living up to his contract to this day and 14 million for the defensive player of the year is a good deal. As far as Brook Lopez, 60 million is too much for him, but again, if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax bill than NO PROBLEMA, now if they start losing players because of Brooks contract then is a big issue.

Tyson sucked in the playoffs - if thats living up then I don't know what not living up is.

Also, for the amount that we gave up for him and costing us our amnesty, he has to put up Wilt numbers for me to consider it living up.

We have different way of judging players, Tyson played great defense throughout the year, gave great effort on both end, provide leadership on the team and was a consistent double treat. There is only one player in the NBA capable of putting up Wilt’s number and that guy play in Orlando not NY.

If we kept our amnesty then I agree that he lived up. Lets also hope the he does not spend alot of next year hurt like he did for much of his career and that he stays at least at his current level of play which is an anomaly outside of the last 2 years.

I little bit of an offensive game would be a welcome surprise too.

I don't know about you but the playoffs are also important.

Oh yes playoffs are very important, however, I do know that Tyson didn’t play well because we wasn’t 100% healthy, not because we wasn’t trying or wasn’t physically in shape. Tyson is the ultimate Pro.

Here is how a true star/man who gets paid millions handles the flu. Not a no show like Tyson FOR THE WHOLE FUKKIN SERIES!!

My understanding was that Tyson had a severe flu that he wasn’t even able to practice with the team, so unless you show me his medical record, I rather go with what I saw on the court last year and the year before (with the Mavs) and that’s a warrior and a leader (even our beloved Oakley acknowledge this on the papers).
Also, if Tyson gets injured because he played hard 100% of the time, I don’t have a problem with that, now if he gets injured because he is not in basketball shape, then I do have a problem with that.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:Melo 22.6,
Amare 23.4
Chandler 14.6

We will need to get lucky again (just like we got lucky with Lin) and even than there is no guarantee that we will be able to retain our own free agents and build the team properly around those guys.
I guess the Knicks can only blame themselves for paying MAX money to B Stars.

How many A stars are there in the NBA?

Should the knicks just build the team full of crap would that make u happy.For all the people that keep belittling are players constantly 2 of them are on the Olympic team they cant suck that bad.

Would have been 3 had the Knicks allowed STAT to play. I guess anyone not named, Lebron, Durant, Kobe, Wade or Durant is not acceptable as a star player. I guess Chadler lucked out with the DPOY since he's not an "A" star.

I never said that they should not have acquired our three stars; I just think that the Knicks should have negotiated their deals a little bit better considering they knew a hard cap was coming, the team was only half built and we had very little draft picks moving foward.

Negoitate deals better? The only 1 that wouldnt of got that money is Amare and he still would of got close to a max deal or just shorter in terms of years.If we didnt max him out he wouldnt of come here.Could U imagine how Knick fans would of acted if they dumped 2 seasons down the drain and ended up with not 1 All Star level player. Carmelo would of been a max player no matter where he ended up. Brook Lopez got 60 Million and he sux do U really believe Chandlers deal is that bad

Actually out of our three stars, Chandler is the only one living up to his contract to this day and 14 million for the defensive player of the year is a good deal. As far as Brook Lopez, 60 million is too much for him, but again, if the owner is willing to pay the luxury tax bill than NO PROBLEMA, now if they start losing players because of Brooks contract then is a big issue.

Tyson sucked in the playoffs - if thats living up then I don't know what not living up is.

Also, for the amount that we gave up for him and costing us our amnesty, he has to put up Wilt numbers for me to consider it living up.

We have different way of judging players, Tyson played great defense throughout the year, gave great effort on both end, provide leadership on the team and was a consistent double treat. There is only one player in the NBA capable of putting up Wilt’s number and that guy play in Orlando not NY.

If we kept our amnesty then I agree that he lived up. Lets also hope the he does not spend alot of next year hurt like he did for much of his career and that he stays at least at his current level of play which is an anomaly outside of the last 2 years.

I little bit of an offensive game would be a welcome surprise too.

I don't know about you but the playoffs are also important.

Oh yes playoffs are very important, however, I do know that Tyson didn’t play well because we wasn’t 100% healthy, not because we wasn’t trying or wasn’t physically in shape. Tyson is the ultimate Pro.

Here is how a true star/man who gets paid millions handles the flu. Not a no show like Tyson FOR THE WHOLE FUKKIN SERIES!!

My understanding was that Tyson had a severe flu that he wasn’t even able to practice with the team, so unless you show me his medical record, I rather go with what I saw on the court last year and the year before (with the Mavs) and that’s a warrior and a leader (even our beloved Oakley acknowledge this on the papers).
Also, if Tyson gets injured because he played hard 100% of the time, I don’t have a problem with that, now if he gets injured because he is not in basketball shape, then I do have a problem with that.

Like JVG says, if you are playing then you are fine. If you are not fine then don't play. NO EXCUSES.

Not sure I understand you in regards to a player being often injured if he is in shape.

Of course you are fine, doesn’t mean that you are going to be the same productive player as when you are healthy.
Where do you get this idea that only out shape players get injured? You know that basketball is a physical game, just ask Amare and Wade about their injuries.

mrKnickShot wrote:Did I say that only Out-Of-Shape players get hurt????? I said that Tyson has been a very injury prone player.

JVG's point was there is no excuse for playing badly if you are playing. If you are sick then don't play. If you play, no excuses.

Yes Tyson has been injury prone, just like Wade and Amare have been injury prone, now base on what I have seen in the last few years from Tyson, is not because of lack of dedication to the game.

mrKnickShot wrote:Who says he not dedicated? I mean, aside from not being dedicated to working to build any semblance of an offensive game?

He is a good guy that cost us 14.7 million a year (worth it) and us to keep Amare's 23 million (VERY NOT WORTH IT)

Agree.

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Who says he not dedicated? I mean, aside from not being dedicated to working to build any semblance of an offensive game?

He is a good guy that cost us 14.7 million a year (worth it) and us to keep Amare's 23 million (VERY NOT WORTH IT)

Agree.

So you agree that would not have signed him at the cost of losing the amnesty which we so desperately need for Amare?

No, I believe the Knicks over paid for Amare, and could have got him for a little bit less. Especially considering that the only other team willing to sign him without insurance on the contract (Phoenix) was only guarantying between 60 and 70 million. I believe there was no need for the Knicks to go that high.

As far as Chandler, I applauded the move when it happened and as a fan I’m very happy with the effort, he not only is a Center (which means you usually pay premium) but one of the top three defensive big men in the NBA. In my books he was worth it, at least on the first year with the Knicks.

mrKnickShot wrote:Okay - so I agree about Amare. Nobody was ready to pay and it was a desperate move.

Do see my argument on Chandler? Not sure I made it clear enough regarding the amnesty

Considering that we didn’t have to trade our best young players/picks, we didn’t signed him for $100 million and Billups was not part of the future, in my book getting Chandler was a great move. On top of that Chandler was our best player last year and the current NBA defensive player of the year, so far great move without question.