Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is all speculation. None of your comments about Lin's thinking, beliefs, behavior, and goals actually include any quotes from him.

Agreed...the same way we haven't seen any direct quotes from Grunwald or Dolan.

True, Dolan has a track record of stupidity though and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Jeremys Lins actions speak way louder then his words. Saying he loves NY why is back dooring with the Rockets.He is trying to make the Knicks the bad guy to keep his image that is all

again - the knicks told him to get an offer from another team.

what was he supposed to do, exactly?

Seriously man u know he went and redid the deal again after the Knicks said they would match are u really ignoring that. This is what I meant about the Tebow type fascination with this guy.

You are relying on what the papers have told you to believe. How did he redo a deal when there never was an official deal, or at least no evidence that there was one has ever been presented? If the deal was actually redone, how do you know that was Lin's decision (as opposed to the Rockets)?

Why do U think the Knicks are so pissed.Pretty obvious there was a deal in place

There couldn't have been a deal in place - nothing can be signed during the moratorium. But don't let facts slow you down - you're on a roll here figuring out the whole situation.

Knicks are clearly pissed at Lin - but, uh, it's not like Lin told the Rockets what to offer him. If the Rockets offered him that contract it's because they think he's worth it. Knicks put themselves in this position. To NOT re-sign out of spite is pathetic and pure unadulterated Dolan.

Nothing can be signed but U know paremeters of deals are worked out and agreed upon. Pretty clear there was an understood offer that was changed by the Rockets and Lin.The structure of the contract being presented to the Knicks makes all the differance. The Rockets can line up the money any way they want the Knicks are forced to deal with it as is.

yeah, well the Rockets re-worked their offer to Lin because the Rockets were DESPERATE.

the knicks stupidly put themselves in that position.

you don't go to a party with your girl and tell her to dance with a few other dudes and see if she gets any offers. at least, you don't do that if you're smart.

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is all speculation. None of your comments about Lin's thinking, beliefs, behavior, and goals actually include any quotes from him.

Agreed...the same way we haven't seen any direct quotes from Grunwald or Dolan.

True, Dolan has a track record of stupidity though and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Jeremys Lins actions speak way louder then his words. Saying he loves NY why is back dooring with the Rockets.He is trying to make the Knicks the bad guy to keep his image that is all

again - the knicks told him to get an offer from another team.

what was he supposed to do, exactly?

Seriously man u know he went and redid the deal again after the Knicks said they would match are u really ignoring that. This is what I meant about the Tebow type fascination with this guy.

You are relying on what the papers have told you to believe. How did he redo a deal when there never was an official deal, or at least no evidence that there was one has ever been presented? If the deal was actually redone, how do you know that was Lin's decision (as opposed to the Rockets)?

Why do U think the Knicks are so pissed.Pretty obvious there was a deal in place

There couldn't have been a deal in place - nothing can be signed during the moratorium. But don't let facts slow you down - you're on a roll here figuring out the whole situation.

Knicks are clearly pissed at Lin - but, uh, it's not like Lin told the Rockets what to offer him. If the Rockets offered him that contract it's because they think he's worth it. Knicks put themselves in this position. To NOT re-sign out of spite is pathetic and pure unadulterated Dolan.

Nothing can be signed but U know paremeters of deals are worked out and agreed upon. Pretty clear there was an understood offer that was changed by the Rockets and Lin.The structure of the contract being presented to the Knicks makes all the differance. The Rockets can line up the money any way they want the Knicks are forced to deal with it as is.

yeah, well the Rockets re-worked their offer to Lin because the Rockets were DESPERATE.

the knicks stupidly put themselves in that position.

you don't go to a party with your girl and tell her to dance with a few other dudes and see if she gets any offers. at least, you don't do that if you're smart.

How many times does it have to be said the Knicks never made Lin an offer and WANTED him to set his own market price by signing an offer sheet? Are you kidding me right now with this 'blame Lin' garbage?

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is all speculation. None of your comments about Lin's thinking, beliefs, behavior, and goals actually include any quotes from him.

Agreed...the same way we haven't seen any direct quotes from Grunwald or Dolan.

True, Dolan has a track record of stupidity though and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Jeremys Lins actions speak way louder then his words. Saying he loves NY why is back dooring with the Rockets.He is trying to make the Knicks the bad guy to keep his image that is all

again - the knicks told him to get an offer from another team.

what was he supposed to do, exactly?

Seriously man u know he went and redid the deal again after the Knicks said they would match are u really ignoring that. This is what I meant about the Tebow type fascination with this guy.

You are relying on what the papers have told you to believe. How did he redo a deal when there never was an official deal, or at least no evidence that there was one has ever been presented? If the deal was actually redone, how do you know that was Lin's decision (as opposed to the Rockets)?

Why do U think the Knicks are so pissed.Pretty obvious there was a deal in place

There couldn't have been a deal in place - nothing can be signed during the moratorium. But don't let facts slow you down - you're on a roll here figuring out the whole situation.

Knicks are clearly pissed at Lin - but, uh, it's not like Lin told the Rockets what to offer him. If the Rockets offered him that contract it's because they think he's worth it. Knicks put themselves in this position. To NOT re-sign out of spite is pathetic and pure unadulterated Dolan.

Nothing can be signed but U know paremeters of deals are worked out and agreed upon. Pretty clear there was an understood offer that was changed by the Rockets and Lin.The structure of the contract being presented to the Knicks makes all the differance. The Rockets can line up the money any way they want the Knicks are forced to deal with it as is.

yeah, well the Rockets re-worked their offer to Lin because the Rockets were DESPERATE.

the knicks stupidly put themselves in that position.

you don't go to a party with your girl and tell her to dance with a few other dudes and see if she gets any offers. at least, you don't do that if you're smart.

crzymdups wrote:

Anji wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is all speculation. None of your comments about Lin's thinking, beliefs, behavior, and goals actually include any quotes from him.

Agreed...the same way we haven't seen any direct quotes from Grunwald or Dolan.

True, Dolan has a track record of stupidity though and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Jeremys Lins actions speak way louder then his words. Saying he loves NY why is back dooring with the Rockets.He is trying to make the Knicks the bad guy to keep his image that is all

again - the knicks told him to get an offer from another team.

what was he supposed to do, exactly?

Seriously man u know he went and redid the deal again after the Knicks said they would match are u really ignoring that. This is what I meant about the Tebow type fascination with this guy.

You are relying on what the papers have told you to believe. How did he redo a deal when there never was an official deal, or at least no evidence that there was one has ever been presented? If the deal was actually redone, how do you know that was Lin's decision (as opposed to the Rockets)?

Why do U think the Knicks are so pissed.Pretty obvious there was a deal in place

There couldn't have been a deal in place - nothing can be signed during the moratorium. But don't let facts slow you down - you're on a roll here figuring out the whole situation.

Knicks are clearly pissed at Lin - but, uh, it's not like Lin told the Rockets what to offer him. If the Rockets offered him that contract it's because they think he's worth it. Knicks put themselves in this position. To NOT re-sign out of spite is pathetic and pure unadulterated Dolan.

Nothing can be signed but U know paremeters of deals are worked out and agreed upon. Pretty clear there was an understood offer that was changed by the Rockets and Lin.The structure of the contract being presented to the Knicks makes all the differance. The Rockets can line up the money any way they want the Knicks are forced to deal with it as is.

yeah, well the Rockets re-worked their offer to Lin because the Rockets were DESPERATE.

the knicks stupidly put themselves in that position.

you don't go to a party with your girl and tell her to dance with a few other dudes and see if she gets any offers. at least, you don't do that if you're smart.

Where's the part were she tells you that she snuck out during the party and sucked the guys Dick????

my girl doesn't do that, because i treat her with respect. you treat your girl like the knicks treated jeremy lin and she might get OPP breath.

Jared Dubin ‏@JADubin5

No. Knicks told him to set his own market, so he did. RT @TheHonorableHaS: Lin basically shxt on the franchise by signing that contract, no?

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The idea that Lin forced the Rockets into adding a $15M season in his contract is hilarious. Why the hell would the Rockets agree to that? It was clearly the Rockets idea or something Lin's agent worked with the Rockets on.

You can't be mad at Lin if you tell him to get an offer - he's supposed to get the best offer for himself.

Exactly teh knicks for whatever reason told lin to get offers so it seems to me that they told lin taht they would match anyway. Look i dont care if they change their mind on lin but they could have come up with a better plan than felton

U think Lin would of taken a deal without testing FA. U guys are really eating out of the LIn camps hands

so... because Lin got a good offer from another team... he wanted to leave? when the knicks told him to find an offer to set a fair contract price?

exceptional logic there. i won't try to interfere with your mind powers.

Knicks could only offer 4 years 20 million thats why they told Lin to seek an offer sheet. Lin had a deal worked out then conspired with the Rockets to change the deal he verbally gave to the Knicks after they said they were going to match.Thats why i believe he wants to leave. I honestly get it. its a better situation for Lin in Houston. he will get to play more minutes and get to dominate the ball. Here the offense wont be driven by him. He may not even close games. His poor defense and penchant for TO's will lead him to ride the pine at the end of games.

Okay! Finally a basketball argument for Lin to leave. That I can respect. Almost every other reason I've seen for Lin leaving is "contract too high" or "he did something shady (by doing exactly what the knicks told him to do)"

I don't agree with your basketball reason, but I respect that it's actually a basketball reason instead of some made up sports radio mumbo jumbo.

My basketball answer is: I think JKidd and Lin would do well starting and finishing games together. You play Kidd the first 6 minutes of the game alongside Lin and then bring in JR. JR plays til 6 minutes left in the half, then Lin and Kidd finish it. Same with the second half.

Lin plays 36 minutes at PG. Kidd plays 20-24 minutes at SG. Linn is a scoring PG, Kidd is a passing SG who can hit the three. It's balance.

I think it would've worked great.

Anyway, I'm glad to actually see a basketball argument. Last thing I will say is that the Knicks were much better and more players got involved when the ball was "dominated" by Lin as opposed to Melo who gets his and kills the flow. Melo got out of the first round once in his life and I don't expect that to change.

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The idea that Lin forced the Rockets into adding a $15M season in his contract is hilarious. Why the hell would the Rockets agree to that? It was clearly the Rockets idea or something Lin's agent worked with the Rockets on.

You can't be mad at Lin if you tell him to get an offer - he's supposed to get the best offer for himself.

Exactly teh knicks for whatever reason told lin to get offers so it seems to me that they told lin taht they would match anyway. Look i dont care if they change their mind on lin but they could have come up with a better plan than felton

U think Lin would of taken a deal without testing FA. U guys are really eating out of the LIn camps hands

so... because Lin got a good offer from another team... he wanted to leave? when the knicks told him to find an offer to set a fair contract price?

exceptional logic there. i won't try to interfere with your mind powers.

Knicks could only offer 4 years 20 million thats why they told Lin to seek an offer sheet. Lin had a deal worked out then conspired with the Rockets to change the deal he verbally gave to the Knicks after they said they were going to match.Thats why i believe he wants to leave. I honestly get it. its a better situation for Lin in Houston. he will get to play more minutes and get to dominate the ball. Here the offense wont be driven by him. He may not even close games. His poor defense and penchant for TO's will lead him to ride the pine at the end of games.

Okay! Finally a basketball argument for Lin to leave. That I can respect. Almost every other reason I've seen for Lin leaving is "contract too high" or "he did something shady (by doing exactly what the knicks told him to do)"

I don't agree with your basketball reason, but I respect that it's actually a basketball reason instead of some made up sports radio mumbo jumbo.

My basketball answer is: I think JKidd and Lin would do well starting and finishing games together. You play Kidd the first 6 minutes of the game alongside Lin and then bring in JR. JR plays til 6 minutes left in the half, then Lin and Kidd finish it. Same with the second half.

Lin plays 36 minutes at PG. Kidd plays 20-24 minutes at SG. Linn is a scoring PG, Kidd is a passing SG who can hit the three. It's balance.

I think it would've worked great.

Anyway, I'm glad to actually see a basketball argument. Last thing I will say is that the Knicks were much better and more players got involved when the ball was "dominated" by Lin as opposed to Melo who gets his and kills the flow. Melo got out of the first round once in his life and I don't expect that to change.

Why that scenario of playing time is logical Im not completly sold that Woodson is as high on Lin as the NY fan base. I believe he will value JR Smiths or Shumperts "when he returns" defense over Lin on the floor.

Yeah, I think you're right. If they trusted Lin they wouldn't have foolishly chased Nash. It's clear they thought they needed a mentor for Lin or something, which Kidd probably could've done well. Non-issue now. Though I don't think Kidd is happy he was lied to by the Knicks that Lin would be back and now he's gotta try to teach Felton about eating right.

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The idea that Lin forced the Rockets into adding a $15M season in his contract is hilarious. Why the hell would the Rockets agree to that? It was clearly the Rockets idea or something Lin's agent worked with the Rockets on.

You can't be mad at Lin if you tell him to get an offer - he's supposed to get the best offer for himself.

Exactly teh knicks for whatever reason told lin to get offers so it seems to me that they told lin taht they would match anyway. Look i dont care if they change their mind on lin but they could have come up with a better plan than felton

U think Lin would of taken a deal without testing FA. U guys are really eating out of the LIn camps hands

so... because Lin got a good offer from another team... he wanted to leave? when the knicks told him to find an offer to set a fair contract price?

exceptional logic there. i won't try to interfere with your mind powers.

Knicks could only offer 4 years 20 million thats why they told Lin to seek an offer sheet. Lin had a deal worked out then conspired with the Rockets to change the deal he verbally gave to the Knicks after they said they were going to match.Thats why i believe he wants to leave. I honestly get it. its a better situation for Lin in Houston. he will get to play more minutes and get to dominate the ball. Here the offense wont be driven by him. He may not even close games. His poor defense and penchant for TO's will lead him to ride the pine at the end of games.

Okay! Finally a basketball argument for Lin to leave. That I can respect. Almost every other reason I've seen for Lin leaving is "contract too high" or "he did something shady (by doing exactly what the knicks told him to do)"

I don't agree with your basketball reason, but I respect that it's actually a basketball reason instead of some made up sports radio mumbo jumbo.

My basketball answer is: I think JKidd and Lin would do well starting and finishing games together. You play Kidd the first 6 minutes of the game alongside Lin and then bring in JR. JR plays til 6 minutes left in the half, then Lin and Kidd finish it. Same with the second half.

Lin plays 36 minutes at PG. Kidd plays 20-24 minutes at SG. Linn is a scoring PG, Kidd is a passing SG who can hit the three. It's balance.

I think it would've worked great.

Anyway, I'm glad to actually see a basketball argument. Last thing I will say is that the Knicks were much better and more players got involved when the ball was "dominated" by Lin as opposed to Melo who gets his and kills the flow. Melo got out of the first round once in his life and I don't expect that to change.

Why that scenario of playing time is logical Im not completly sold that Woodson is as high on Lin as the NY fan base. I believe he will value JR Smiths or Shumperts "when he returns" defense over Lin on the floor.

Yeah, I think you're right. If they trusted Lin they wouldn't have foolishly chased Nash. It's clear they thought they needed a mentor for Lin or something, which Kidd probably could've done well. Non-issue now. Though I don't think Kidd is happy he was lied to by the Knicks that Lin would be back and now he's gotta try to teach Felton about eating right.

Maybe im wrong but I dont get the sense that Woodson fully believes in Lin. This and the fact Lin knows he may not be fully embraced by the Knicks players. This is why I think Lin wanted the deal changed.In Houston I believe they will let him play to his strengths. In NY I think Woodson may want a PG that does things differently and it will hurt Lins game. He will be more like an average PG then an up tempo facilitator.

RonRon wrote:u mean privileged as being the next trade commodity in the near future with any other acquisitions and draft picks like our history repeats time after time?

NOPE
you know what I meant

Sure the NY Knicks franchise had not won titles (2) like Dave D., Frazier, Reed + Monroe or the
success of the Bernard King teams and Patrick Ew's era teams.

However though Knicks will never be the Yankees its a proud org. despite the bad Dolan ownership
and unlike many other so so or avg good NBA teams whom never won a title The Knicks are NY

It is a true Privelege to be A NY pro playing for the Knicks in any eras cause its New York City
attractions for any pro sport

The NBA players dont feel that way, until recently when Amare came to a so so Knick team got paid $$$
stating "Knicks are back" !

What other recent pro ever wanted to be part of your pro hoop team eh ?

IT felt good. Same with Melo whom I respect many here dont like I aint thrilled with his full package
but not too long ago we was not getting players like these interested in NY again

Ever,
Never

ITs a privy and special to be a Knick especially when you're improving n trying to win something in baby steps

Should be same as it is for fans of the Mets (I Aint) whom in NY Winning is special. Greatest fans worldwide known

Sure NY has bad trades and luck all I am saying is Being and playing in NY
whether you're mlb, nba, wnba, nfl nhl is like no other experience most players whom dared to come here will tell you
the whole impressions changed after representing one of the best cities in world. Even if you made playoffs but came up bit short

Privy
NY and its fanbase & pride of their teams