AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Pissing off who?

Knick games will still be sold out whether Lin is here or not. Lol.

MSG holds 19,000 people. That's a lot of money. But MSG gets a lot of money for ad rates. People tuning into YES instead loses money for MSG, too.

Jeremy Lin games got the highest ratings on MSG ever. Ever. And ESPN, too.

If you think we're not talking about millions of dollars in advertising dollars, we are.

Losing your most marketable and popular player for $25M is one of the stupidest business decisions ever for a $780M franchise that just spent $800M renovating seat cushions at MSG.

Lin is so marketable? Where is his sneaker deal? Where are the commercials?

Stop the madness. He has one endorsement deal with Volvo, a Chinese owned company.

#2 selling jersey.
He has a Nike deal.
His team has been incredibly picky with who he chooses to endorse. I remember reading that he had over 1,000 offers come in during Linsanity. You can say he might not become a great player, but no way can you say he's not marketable.

crzymdups wrote:the fact that the knicks are on the verge of pissing off a sizeable chunk of their fan base... the EXACT same season that the Nets moved into Brooklyn.

that's just insanely dumb.

Dolan at his absolute best.

It's worth $25M to keep fans happy so they don't buy Nets season tickets.

Dolan is an idiot.

Exactly.

EwingsGlass wrote:I'm really confused by the 'must match' stances with respect to Lin's contract. No question that this negotiation played out terribly and the organization needs to hold its cards closer to its chest. That said, without regard to any player, I am opposed to giving a 15M contract in year 3 for a player that has played less than a full season.

While I believe that Lin is talented, I am a bit skeptical that he can perform consistently over the course of a full season.

I could see the Knicks swallowing the 'poison pill' and matching that contract, though I am most uncertain of that now that they traded for Felton. My confusion is why people think that the $15M in the third year is insignificant.

To that end, I'd love to hear some opinions of where Lin projects as a career player. Do you think he is a John Stockton-type? Jason Kidd? What numbers do you expect him to put up? Can he put those same numbers up when sharing the ball with our other ball hungry players?

Going to a team in Houston where he and KevMart are the only players, I'd expect him to outperform Linsanity. That said, I have lower expectations for him if he were to remain here.

must match because it's purely financial advantage. It's almost guaranteed like silver spoon fed. As for talent? We won't know until season starts. NOBODY is a John Stockton type.. that's a guy in his own numerically insane category. I see Lin as more of the 'Definitely better choice than Felton' type.

BigDaddyG wrote:
Also, let's not forget one thing here. If Lin really wanted to be here, he would've taken the first deal and signed. He didn't. It was a good deal. I don't blame him for getting as much money as he can. Pro athletes have short careers. But his agent must've known that a $15 million balloon payment in the third year would've been enough to make us consider backing off.

As for Felton, I'm not thrilled with him. It looked like he dogged it Portland. But he does have one thing going for him in my book. He wants to be here. He took a shorter term deal the first time around because he wanted to be a Knick. Some guys come here, feed off the energy and take their games to the next level. Let's hope RayRay is able to do that.

As for Morey being a genius, he's the guy who waived Lin in the first place. And for all those assets he collected the past several years, he's in the same boat we were in three years ago. He realizes that you need stars to win. There have been a few exceptions, but for the most part the teams you see winning year after year have star players. That's why he's willing to put his career on the line for the chance to have Dwight Howard for what could amount to be two-thirds of a season.

I don't know how many people have already corrected this. There was no first deal, nothing to sign. It was all talk. I don't even know if the first deal (4 years for 28mil) even existed or the Rockets made everyone believe it did or the Knicks denying it existed by not accepting it officially. But the fact is, there was no first deal. If the paper only exist by word of mouth, can you sign it?

Caseloads wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:the fact that the knicks are on the verge of pissing off a sizeable chunk of their fan base... the EXACT same season that the Nets moved into Brooklyn.

that's just insanely dumb.

Dolan at his absolute best.

Good point. The only thing that would make it more hilarious would be if he were signing with the Nets.

or the Nuggets, right?

That would be funny too, definitely. You have to take humor in what Jimmy does.

I think in this situation it is more about what Daryl Morey and Jeremy Lin did than what Dolan will do. I didn't think winning the Bird's Rights Case would put the Knicks in a position where another team could offer Lin a contract that might not be matchable by the Knicks. The Knicks had every intention of matching Lin's deal. While I am not an expert on the cba several things have been pointed out about that third year that are pretty scarey. The Knicks would not be able to participate in a sign and trade because of their cap situation. The Knicks would be paying 3.50 for every dollar they are over the cap. Also, what if the Knicks can't trade Lin or Amare before that third year. I want Lin back but I understand why he might not be and I agree with Hahn's column where he said Lin wants to be a rocket and that was why he signed this contract.

Exactly. This is about Lin, and what he and Morey did. This is not about Dolan. Dolan was willing to pay but then got backstabbed by a player who basically was ungrateful.

ungrateful, backstabbed? are you serious?? You mean business? as soon as free agency opened up, the knicks were hell bent on getting Nash while putting Lin on ice and not locking him down. And they said go out and get your market value little boy. And boy did he ever. based on your logic, everyone in the league is a backstabber.

JamesLin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:
Also, let's not forget one thing here. If Lin really wanted to be here, he would've taken the first deal and signed. He didn't. It was a good deal. I don't blame him for getting as much money as he can. Pro athletes have short careers. But his agent must've known that a $15 million balloon payment in the third year would've been enough to make us consider backing off.

As for Felton, I'm not thrilled with him. It looked like he dogged it Portland. But he does have one thing going for him in my book. He wants to be here. He took a shorter term deal the first time around because he wanted to be a Knick. Some guys come here, feed off the energy and take their games to the next level. Let's hope RayRay is able to do that.

As for Morey being a genius, he's the guy who waived Lin in the first place. And for all those assets he collected the past several years, he's in the same boat we were in three years ago. He realizes that you need stars to win. There have been a few exceptions, but for the most part the teams you see winning year after year have star players. That's why he's willing to put his career on the line for the chance to have Dwight Howard for what could amount to be two-thirds of a season.

I don't know how many people have already corrected this. There was no first deal, nothing to sign. It was all talk. I don't even know if the first deal (4 years for 28mil) even existed or the Rockets made everyone believe it did or the Knicks denying it existed by not accepting it officially. But the fact is, there was no first deal. If the paper only exist by word of mouth, can you sign it?