blackisblack wrote:

watupmyknicker wrote:First Off I'm New Wats up fellas

Second of All , Screw Lin if he is leavin the place that gave him a chance.

But now that I quick think, why did the knicks Not give him a offer right away ,maybe he felt like he was being an afterthought and did what he felt was right.

Either way, too much money too soon.

That's what I am thinking. I have been wondering why Knicks didn't offer early on. They wanted to see what his market price is and it happened. They resigned Novak and Smith early on. It seems like they were toying with him.

It could still happen that they match. Knowing how crucial a PG is for us, they might want more people who can take on the role. Either way, whether Lin stays in NY or not, it is a win/win for him.

It makes me think that the Knicks aren't sold on Lin, whether it's Dolan and Woody, Woody alone or Dolan alone. Not sure if this would be a good comparison or not but it makes me think about how that Yankees dealt with Torre. They didn't want to look 100% bad so they made him a crap offer so Torre could decline so they could at least say, hey we made him an offer and he turned it down.

There are still NBA scouts calling the kid a d-leaguer and guys like Larry Brown who think that Lin is a good back up player. I think the Knicks not giving Lin an offer from the start and letting the "market" dictate the dollars it gave them an out. If the offer sheet was the original verbal offer I think the Knicks would have matched. The "poison pill" is giving the Knicks an out. There will always be arguments on both sides of the fence but if the Kicks don't match it will come down to the PR spin of we wanted Jeremy back and were willing to match the verbal offer but when he went back to the Rockets to shorten the deal from 4 to 3 years in combination with the $14 million + in year 3 while taking into consideration the luxury tax ramifications we did what we felt was best for the organization. We're confident in Raymond Feltons ability to run the team......blah, blah, blah.

There's a small part of me that feels the Knicks will match but the logical part of me says "Good luck in Houston."

Dwight Howard/Cp3/ good role players/picks/ and any potential deals to better us will be made by the deadline, or even later.
We have time to decide, what is best for our organization, our playoff chances this year, what players we need to improve as a team on, and our in the best interest of our near future and future.
With the payroll of our 2000-2008 rosters, this is NOTHING compared to the talent of those squads, it is just 1 year overall it is still 25m for 3 years of Lin.

We cannot let Houston and Morey get the final laugh on us, we have to put our feelings aside, and this is what is best for us.
Assets can be returned for either play, we have time to decide....

I am so upset with Melo I would do Gereld Walace/Kris Humphries and 1 future pick pick and maybe even more if Melo plays well, during deadline....
We have no Lebron/Durant stoppers, those are unique players to defend. That is a very reasonable package that would

Gereld Wallace/Humphries would allow us to take our defense/rebounding to the next level, and SHARE THE BALL with Amare back as the #1...

They want starts, I give them starts, give me picks, and I have they can pay 2 Joe johnson deals in 2015, watch his fast ass opt out.

He will turn to a fat ass as soon as he gets that contract, another Jerome James x5, *not in terms of sklils* in terms of lack of heart/professionalism and will be using us once again and most of all
a big fat hypocrite to Lin's 3 year 25m deal. Paying him another 3years at his "max salary" or anything even near it, will hurt us financially more than 1 year of LIn's contract.
while many players cut a break to their teams by doing a more cap friendly deal. Say 13m - 15m a year *like Paul Pierce* which is still a lot of money

I do not want to deal with any of this, pass the keys to Lin just like how u took the keys from Amare, and I would get 2 role players maximize your value before you look to maximize your opportunity by opting out and trying to grab us by the balls. You are kicking Lin out for this intent, you waited for the opportunity to reclaim the Garden, and now instead of being the "team mate" that supported u, u kick him in the nuts. He could have easily took a crap all over u, with the media during Linsanity, but DID NOT.

1) Match Lin and do not decide who we will keep till the deadline. Use the media to our advantage, occasionally leak Lin potentials and do not let Melo rumors go out. When playing Lin, play him with a unit that would work, with shooters to space him out, players that will move the ball, and AGAINST 2nd units to bring up his STATS in limited minutes.
We cannot allow Lin to walk away for NOTHING, keep all option open, and keep en eye on Kidd. With Iman coming back, we could look to unload Melo/Kidd to save salary as an option by trade deadline.

2) see how we are playing as a team, and individual stats for proposed players, and maximize the deal to their potential and our FULL POTENTIAL.

3) Take all offers on Lin / Melo the entire year, but do not suggest anything, just ask "who do u want have interest in on our roster"

4) Play both sides, using rumors to create a buzz on Anthony and Lin, and get the best offer we can, if we feel we can maximize our value right here with Melo.
We what deals we can get for Lin and Melo. What picks/ players we can get get players/assets/picks that we can receive back.
If Kidd looks done, would it be better to just eat his 3 years or trade him in the deal to save salary to make up for Lins extra 5m than the original deal that were were going to match.

5) Look at our team, it can go really either way, PRO LIN or PRO ANTHONY, it is obvious by now that Melo has always had a problem with Lin and his glory/spot light as rumored....
Evaluate our own roster either way, by now, we should be able to tell if Kidd had plans to come to retire or compete one last time.

6) Nets want an All Star, this will be the perfect poison to give them. Gereld Wallace's size, athleticism, length, versatility, defense, and all around skills are very under rated for 10m a year.
Humphries is still a solid double double option and could do we want Amare to do for us, as he can play with Tyson/Camby, as well as allow Amare to play Center at times.
Wallace/Humphries COMBINED makes less than Melo and Amare, # just saying....

If Lin is the one to go fine, so be it, regardless of his final year, he is still 25m for 3 years, that many teams that are not repeat offenders and have salary flexibility during 2015 can add a good PG, as well as a billion fans/Marketing machine. Not matching is just putting giving up the opportunity to gain assets for NOTHING. Grunweld has to convince Dolan to put his feelings aside on this one as they evaluate the team, get a closer look at how the league as developed and how we match up, and get a better idea than the 25 games we had to evaluate Lin.

ChuckBuck wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:change the thread title to "I think the tide is turning." Your only going to piss off the Lin-ofiles.

Yea. I feel alot of true Knicks fans are seeing through the Lin charade. If he really wanted to return, he wouldn't have backdoored the Knicks.

DurzoBlint wrote:Staff was absolutely sold on him. You guys are ignoring the ramifications of paying that type of money to 4players. Management would already have to be pretty creative to make moves going forward, add Lin's contract and we go from hand-cuffed to cement blocked. Why is that so hard to understand.

This is the facts!

Caseloads wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Staff was absolutely sold on him. You guys are ignoring the ramifications of paying that type of money to 4players. Management would already have to be pretty creative to make moves going forward, add Lin's contract and we go from hand-cuffed to cement blocked. Why is that so hard to understand.

This is the facts!

That's not the facts that simply ridiculous. We are stuck with this team for better or worse. By not signing Lin we
give up any opportunity to truly compete. If you don't understand that then you're simply a fool.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Where are you getting this feeling from? They took his jersey out of the online store.

Are you serious?

Uhm..

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42495

DurzoBlint wrote:Staff was absolutely sold on him. You guys are ignoring the ramifications of paying that type of money to 4players. Management would already have to be pretty creative to make moves going forward, add Lin's contract and we go from hand-cuffed to cement blocked. Why is that so hard to understand.

Because that is actually thinking straight, and people are more interested in buying all the media crap caos so they can threaten on becoming Nets fans. Knicks fans are masochists, so its not a shocking turn of events.