CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

Too much flawed logic in your post. Lin is the salary that will put them over the top kill them in luxury tax in year 3. I will cost them 60 million for that year.

Keep mentioning Melo's salary but I guarantee that any/all teams with cap room would take on Melo's contract in a NY second if they had the opportunity

Lin? Not so sure.

There's no logical flaw. Team rosters fluctuate; they are not static. If (a) Melo is as easy to move as you say he is, (b) Lin is the better buy, and (c) it's important to avoid the luxury tax, the obvious conclusion is to bring back Lin and move Melo for a shorter contract.

Brilliant move in trading away our best player for a kid who produced for 25 games.

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

helloharv wrote:I think some people think if we don't match then we have all this money to sign or trade for other guys......

I think some people think the luxury tax goes into Lin's pocket or something.

It bears repeating that in 2005-2006 the Knicks payroll was $117M. They paid another $40M in luxury tax. Then at the end of the season they paid Larry Brown $18M to go away and never come back.

That's $170M give or take. For one season. The team's record was 23-59.

And now we're being told $25M over three years is too much for the best young player this team has had since Ewing.

crzymdups wrote:

helloharv wrote:I think some people think if we don't match then we have all this money to sign or trade for other guys......

I think some people think the luxury tax goes into Lin's pocket or something.

It bears repeating that in 2005-2006 the Knicks payroll was $117M. They paid another $40M in luxury tax. Then at the end of the season they paid Larry Brown $18M to go away and never come back.

That's $170M give or take. For one season. The team's record was 23-59.

And now we're being told $25M over three years is too much for the best young player this team has had since Ewing.

Good points!

crzymdups wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

3 year for $25 million with over $14 million in year 3 based on 25 games is being overpaid. Comparing Lin to STAT and Melo is absurd.

Smart teams don't base contracts on past performance.

They base them on an expectation of performance over the life of the contract.

Who do you think will give you more bang for your buck over the next three years? Amar'e at $64M? Or Lin at $25?

Amar'e will be 32 in the last year of his deal and making $24M in that season.

Lin will be 26, in his prime, making $14M.

Also, small sample size is stupid. It's enough to evaluate the player. Kyrie Irving was drafted number 1 overall based on ELEVEN college games. a #1 draft pick is a $35M investment. Irving will make $30M in salary over the next four years, minimum, he'll be eligible for a max extension before then. Lin's season was comprable to Irving's.

Kyrie Irving went to St. Patrick's as the consensus #1 PG, then Duke and was pretty much the wire to wire ROY this season. Lin went to Palo Alto, didn't get recruited by anyone, went to Harvard, undrafted, went through D league 3 or 4 times, played good for about 25 games then got hurt. I don't know man, poor comparison.

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

Too much flawed logic in your post. Lin is the salary that will put them over the top kill them in luxury tax in year 3. I will cost them 60 million for that year.

Keep mentioning Melo's salary but I guarantee that any/all teams with cap room would take on Melo's contract in a NY second if they had the opportunity

Lin? Not so sure.

Why is it flawed to mention that they're paying Amar'e and Melo three times more than Lin.

Amar'e is the dead weight on the roster, not Lin.

So they're letting their best young player to go to make room for Amar'e's bloated, uninsurable, underperforming contract?

^That is faulty logic.^

Because Amare is here already and unmovable

People said Joe Johnson would never be traded. They said Zach Randolph was untradeable.

No such thing.

Those 2 are horrible comparisons.

Amare had no takers before this past year and you think he has any now? PLEASE!!

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:We learned nothing from the last decade...Bad contracts completely crippled this organization... The same people killing Dolan for not paying will the same people pointing fingers if Lin doesn't pan out...That's a guarantee...I've seen this movie before...

After the first two sentences, I thought you were talking about the $150 + mil given to MeloStatbury

Didn't you want to piggy back that by giving DLee 80 mil??...I'm pretty sure u thought DLee should be brought back for that money to play center...

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

Yeah, the Lakers and the Mavs were horrible. The Pacers suck! Good argument.

The Lakers and the Mavs were BAD road teams - simpler than SaberMetrics

THE PACERS???

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:$25M over three years is a good deal for Lin.

Carmelo is making $64M over those same 3yrs, by the way. Amar'e is making $64M over those same three years, by the way. Felton, Kidd and Camby are making $30M combined over those same 3 years by the way.

$25M for Lin is a fine deal. He will be an utter bargain for the first and second year. And he was an utter bargain last year.

Knicks will get Lin for 4yrs $26M. Compare that to 4yr $83M for Amar'e or 4yr $83M for Melo.

Anyone who says Lin is overpaid at 4yrs $26M is INSANE.

Too much flawed logic in your post. Lin is the salary that will put them over the top kill them in luxury tax in year 3. I will cost them 60 million for that year.

Keep mentioning Melo's salary but I guarantee that any/all teams with cap room would take on Melo's contract in a NY second if they had the opportunity

Lin? Not so sure.

Why is it flawed to mention that they're paying Amar'e and Melo three times more than Lin.

Amar'e is the dead weight on the roster, not Lin.

So they're letting their best young player to go to make room for Amar'e's bloated, uninsurable, underperforming contract?

^That is faulty logic.^

Because Amare is here already and unmovable

People said Joe Johnson would never be traded. They said Zach Randolph was untradeable.

No such thing.

Those 2 are horrible comparisons.

Amare had no takers before this past year and you think he has any now? PLEASE!!

No they aren't. People thought Zach Randolph was completely washed up as a Knick and had an immovable contract. He was traded twice after that on the same contract and Memphis extended him for 4yr $71M

Joe Johnson's contract was called the worst in the NBA all last season.

Also, the Nets are a good example.

In three years the Nets will be paying Deron Williams, Joe Johnson (34yrs old), Brook Lopez (3rebs per game) and Gerald Wallace (34yrs old) a combined $74M.

In three years the Knicks could potentially be paying Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e, Tyson Chandler and Jeremy Lin a combined $74M.

Which is worse?

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Still, Lin had success at the highest level and with a very poor surrounding cast.

Playing even POORER competition

Yeah, the Lakers and the Mavs were horrible. The Pacers suck! Good argument.

The Lakers and the Mavs were BAD road teams - simpler than SaberMetrics

THE PACERS???

yeah, the third seed in the east. remember them?