ChuckBuck wrote:

JamesLin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:
What deal were they supposed to match? The most they could offer was 3 or 4 years $24 mil. Were they supposed to officially match the "verbal" offer sheet that no one can agree on if it is binding or not?

yes.. officially match the verbal offer. That will show 2 things: 1) They desire Lin to continue to be a Knicks 2) shut every other team's mouth and stop trying to get Lin. Knicks staff already knew Jeremy Lin will bring them lots of money with the Asian market, period. If Houston mouthed that deal publicly, then Knicks should've just play their cards right away and so Lin won't have to think twice about what's better financially for him. If I'm selling my car to Jack and someone else offers Jack the better deal but Jack will have to take the bus over there, I'd pull Jack to the right away and ask him, "Hey, do you have cash? If so, I can sell you my car right here with that same deal that other person offered.." most likely Jack will take my deal and shake hands on it. You jump on getting a guaranteed golden goose, not toying with it and see if anyone else wants to jump on the deals.

Needs to be done on paper, and by the time Knicks received late Saturday night, Lin and Morey changed the terms to the one the Knicks were ready to resign Lin with.

That's the thing. They didn't have to wait for Houston's paper. Jump the gun and just assume Houston would make that deal and just write up a deal same as what the verbal deal is.

JamesLin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JamesLin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:
What deal were they supposed to match? The most they could offer was 3 or 4 years $24 mil. Were they supposed to officially match the "verbal" offer sheet that no one can agree on if it is binding or not?

yes.. officially match the verbal offer. That will show 2 things: 1) They desire Lin to continue to be a Knicks 2) shut every other team's mouth and stop trying to get Lin. Knicks staff already knew Jeremy Lin will bring them lots of money with the Asian market, period. If Houston mouthed that deal publicly, then Knicks should've just play their cards right away and so Lin won't have to think twice about what's better financially for him. If I'm selling my car to Jack and someone else offers Jack the better deal but Jack will have to take the bus over there, I'd pull Jack to the right away and ask him, "Hey, do you have cash? If so, I can sell you my car right here with that same deal that other person offered.." most likely Jack will take my deal and shake hands on it. You jump on getting a guaranteed golden goose, not toying with it and see if anyone else wants to jump on the deals.

Needs to be done on paper, and by the time Knicks received late Saturday night, Lin and Morey changed the terms to the one the Knicks were ready to resign Lin with.

That's the thing. They didn't have to wait for Houston's paper. Jump the gun and just assume Houston would make that deal and just write up a deal same as what the verbal deal is.

CBA dictated the Knicks could NOT offer that unless they were matching a signed and delivered offer sheet.

Caseloads wrote:

A Lin confidant, contacted yesterday, was asked whether Lin wanted the Knicks to match the Rockets’ revised $25 million offer sheet.

“Yes, he does,’’ the person said.

Ha, that'll be Landry Fields then!

smackeddog wrote:
The two changes to the cba which will encourage this kind of poison pill stuff over the next few years:

1) Cutting the time a team has to match an offer sheet to just 3 days- means a team attempting to poach a player won't have to have their cap space tied up for too long (the fact you couldn't do anything for over a week under the old system acted as a deterent)

2) pumping up the luxury tax to insane levels

3) Also the fact that the team making the offer can then turn around and spread the payments if accepted is ridiculous- if Mory draws up a $14mil year 3 payment, he should have to pay that, not reduce it to $8mil over 3 years.

Doubt 1 and 2 get changed, but there's hope for number 3. The problem is the players assoc won't agree to it as it allows players to get a good deal,m and makes it more likely the team of their choosing will get to poach them. It's a good deal for players (an unexpected benefit of this new cba), but it's terrible for teams trying to keep surprise finds.

So all this drama was because both Rockets and Knicks were using the flaws of the CBA agreement? They need to fix that then, but then I'd assume they'll come up with more drama for the even newer agreement..

holfresh wrote:Lin wants us to believe he wants back and he didn't understand how signing that contract could be detrimental to the Knicks??..Then fire your agent because he didn't fully explain the terms of the contract to you ...But we know he won't do that because he fired his other agent for this guy who is playing hard ball..

Fact is Lin wants his own stage to continue Linsanity...He needs the fans to follow so mouthpieces will say anything to keep the innocence to Linsanity going...

the tax only hits if all contracts remain static for the next 3 years. if this team fails this year (this is debatable as to what fail means), i suspect they will be doing everything they can before then to dismantle this.

holfresh wrote:Lin wants us to believe he wants back and he didn't understand how signing that contract could be detrimental to the Knicks??..Then fire your agent because he didn't fully explain the terms of the contract to you ...But we know he won't do that because he fired his other agent for this guy who is playing hard ball..

Fact is Lin wants his own stage to continue Linsanity...He needs the fans to follow so mouthpieces will say anything to keep the innocence to Linsanity going...

It is not that Lin wants his own stage, it is that Melo wants the be the only stage, and it is evident that that style will not work.

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:Lin wants us to believe he wants back and he didn't understand how signing that contract could be detrimental to the Knicks??..Then fire your agent because he didn't fully explain the terms of the contract to you ...But we know he won't do that because he fired his other agent for this guy who is playing hard ball..

Fact is Lin wants his own stage to continue Linsanity...He needs the fans to follow so mouthpieces will say anything to keep the innocence to Linsanity going...

It is not that Lin wants his own stage, it is that Melo wants the be the only stage, and it is evident that that style will not work.

So force a trade to a team that Amare is playing MVP ball and plot to get Chris Paul here...Makes lots of sense..

how's that chris paul plot working out for you, melo? since the knicks are in the luxury tax with or without lin and cannot do a sign and trade while in the luxury tax.

chris paul is never coming here.

knicks had jeremy lin which was as close as they were gonna get to a chris paul type and they let him go for nothing.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:Lin wants us to believe he wants back and he didn't understand how signing that contract could be detrimental to the Knicks??..Then fire your agent because he didn't fully explain the terms of the contract to you ...But we know he won't do that because he fired his other agent for this guy who is playing hard ball..

Fact is Lin wants his own stage to continue Linsanity...He needs the fans to follow so mouthpieces will say anything to keep the innocence to Linsanity going...

It is not that Lin wants his own stage, it is that Melo wants the be the only stage, and it is evident that that style will not work.

So force a trade to a team that Amare is playing MVP ball and plot to get Chris Paul here...Makes lots of sense..

how's that chris paul plot working out for you, melo? since the knicks are in the luxury tax with or without lin and cannot do a sign and trade while in the luxury tax.

chris paul is never coming here.

knicks had jeremy lin which was as close as they were gonna get to a chris paul type and they let him go for nothing.

Prior to Chandler coming here, that was the game plan...Knicks didn't have the pieces for a trade with the Hornets...

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:Lin wants us to believe he wants back and he didn't understand how signing that contract could be detrimental to the Knicks??..Then fire your agent because he didn't fully explain the terms of the contract to you ...But we know he won't do that because he fired his other agent for this guy who is playing hard ball..

Fact is Lin wants his own stage to continue Linsanity...He needs the fans to follow so mouthpieces will say anything to keep the innocence to Linsanity going...

It is not that Lin wants his own stage, it is that Melo wants the be the only stage, and it is evident that that style will not work.

So force a trade to a team that Amare is playing MVP ball and plot to get Chris Paul here...Makes lots of sense..

how's that chris paul plot working out for you, melo? since the knicks are in the luxury tax with or without lin and cannot do a sign and trade while in the luxury tax.

chris paul is never coming here.

knicks had jeremy lin which was as close as they were gonna get to a chris paul type and they let him go for nothing.

Prior to Chandler coming here, that was the game plan...Knicks didn't have the pieces for a trade with the Hornets...

why was that? could that have anything to do with melo selfishly demanding to be traded to the knicks instead of signing with them in the off-season?

to be fair, he did what was best for him given the cba changes/lockout. i dont blame him, just like if lin is trying to get as much $ as he can.

Uptown wrote:If the Knicks really didn't want Lin, why even bother with the Bird-Rights hearing? Seems to me the Knicks didn't see this type of contract coming...

that seems hard to believe they couldn't see something odd since houston was pulling the same crud with the bulls. i sure hope the knicks would not have thought some other team was gonna come up with a contract that would be cake to match.