Markji wrote:I'm fine with Lin getting paid more. But it was a dirty way to get it.

I'm more pissed at Houston because when a team announces an agreement, they should stick to it. Virtually no team renegs on agreements. There is a certain amount of trust when one agrees to a business deal. Houston knows that the Knicks will still match their offer. They are not getting Lin. Making the change destroys their reputation.

I know its business, but I really hope Knicks management stops doing negotiations with that franchise after this. One thing is the lopsided trades, but another one is changing an agreement in such fashion. You lost your PGs and are desperate? Who made you trade Lowry to Toronto for a draft pick? And there are still many solid PGs available to sign. But such a move screams of screwing a franchise in the future and that isn't part of business, that is unprofessionalism at its finest because you already had agreed on a deal.

Rockets, beware because karma is a bitch.

VCoug wrote:

Markji wrote:I'm fine with Lin getting paid more. But it was a dirty way to get it.

I'm more pissed at Houston because when a team announces an agreement, they should stick to it. Virtually no team renegs on agreements. There is a certain amount of trust when one agrees to a business deal. Houston knows that the Knicks will still match their offer. They are not getting Lin. Making the change destroys their reputation.

There was no agreement announced by Houston or Lin; everything that was reported were rumors passed on to ESPN and others.

Wrong because many media outlets reported it as they reported the Camby deal that happened exactly like it was said it would.

Paladin55 wrote:The Knicks brass should have kept their mouths shut. All those articles saying we were going to match it no matter what could not have helped if Morey really is an a-hole.

Did Morey restructure the new offer at the bequest of Lin and his people, or was it his idea entirely?

Its been reported and suggested both parties wanted to restructure the contract.

Knicksfan wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Markji wrote:I'm fine with Lin getting paid more. But it was a dirty way to get it.

I'm more pissed at Houston because when a team announces an agreement, they should stick to it. Virtually no team renegs on agreements. There is a certain amount of trust when one agrees to a business deal. Houston knows that the Knicks will still match their offer. They are not getting Lin. Making the change destroys their reputation.

There was no agreement announced by Houston or Lin; everything that was reported were rumors passed on to ESPN and others.

Wrong because many media outlets reported it as they reported the Camby deal that happened exactly like it was said it would.

AlexanderFuSheng wrote:Fu Sheng Says

papabear is a whack job!

Papabear Says

Face the facts man. Lin does not want to be here. Hell he is making more money off the court than on the court. He new what this would do to the team. I think you have your head in the sand and you are whacked thinking anything else. I am now starting to understand more why Lebron did what he did. He also arranged for Cleveland to get picks.

Morey is a douche, he wanted us to be no longer able to make another deal for another full year.
It was never about acquiring assets for Houston, it was about taking assets and NY's ability to continue to improve.
We over payed big time, for a 38-9 year old SOLID player, but was a UFA, on the bright side, not nearly as much as Lakers/Nash.
But the history with the Houston/GM makes this personal, I would rather continue to explore other ways, and tell Camby we at least will offer you 3m exemptions, trying to get more.

I am not sure if the Mavericks would send Kidd to us, considering he "changed" his heart to go to The Knicks.
But a deal is a deal, without guaranteed contracts, Cuban/Nelson, both have to consider it, 1 2nd round pick, Jorts, Gadz, 1m cash, and both teams could benefit.
Those are still assets and a fair deal for a 39 year old PG that is a UFA, with unguaranteed contracts, a pick, and player with upside to go with Dirk to spread the floor.
Now we go back to Morey, "listen do you want to deal or not" 1m Cash, TD, 1 2nd round pick, and Jordan for a starting salary of over 4m, *just slightly less of the 4.2m that Camby got*

I would still save 1m in cash with next year's draft or a future possible deal, we have a decent deal for Houston, for a UFA, and they can accept it or we sign Camby with the 3m mini exemptions.
We have to use the media to our advantage, must have Camby and his agent cooperate to not leak out the salary for Camby, if he wants to continue to get offers from other teams fine, but leave out how much Camby must be looking for or match NY's offer. Of course leave the salary out of the equation for Houston, till they agree to the deal, and with Dwight Howard saga, we know they are collecting as many assets as possible. They traded Lowry for a weak pick in a weak draft. Another example, as Morey didn't look to rob Toronto, as they have a good history with trading with one another.
Lowry is part of the 2nd tier of PG's in the league, and he is still very young, but his contract is 5-6m for 2 more years. So he has great value considering his price tag, skills, experience, and age.

In the end it is a business, that one year is going to cost us a lot, we can't totally blame Jeremy.
All players do it and with our track record, if you are signed to a good deal, and you have talent, you will eventually become a trading asset.
The max contracts we used to pay our big 3 should get the most heat, because we knew this day would eventually come.
With the acquisition of Camby, I would not be surprised if we eventually had idea's to consider moving Tyson Chandler and Lin, in the future for a Dwight Howard/Cp3 deal.
With this contract though, it would scare many teams away, and even no longer consider it. That one year could mean over 15m could mean over 40m in taxes.
Not many teams can take that hit, especially a cheap owner known to be cheap over the years, Clippers owner, Sterling.

arkrud wrote:

AlexanderFuSheng wrote:Fu Sheng Says

papabear is a whack job!

Papabear just has an agenda.
Every events which fits the agenda will be blown out of proportion. Every event which is not will be not even noticed.
Talk about this funny animal with the head in the sand...

Papabear Says

Look do the math! Lin is making more money off the field now than on the field. All I am saying why stick it too us if he really wanted to be a New York Knick. Signing that offer sheet he knew that this would hurt us. Lin is getting paid. He is a road scholar. He had to know that this would hurt us. All I am saying is he better be playing like a star and even if he don't he can say screw New York because of the endorsements he is set for life. No way if he wanted to stay in New York would he have signed that contract. He had plenty of money. and when he was sleeping on Fields coach he was still probably making 5 time as much as the average person on this forum.

Personally, if i was Lin, I might turn around and say I want the other original deal, because it was possibly 4 years with a team option, or if changed a guaranteed deal at 5, 5.2, 10, and 10.
IF I ACTUALLY wanted to stay in New York, but Houston seems to be one of the only teams that would offer Lin that much money, so it puts Lin in a pretty bad dilemma.
If the reports are true, Houston and Lin either used the media or did something very unethical.
Thing is, for Lin, there are not many teams, that can offer him a poison pill contract, that has shown interest.
Mavs don't seem to want to pay any longer term deals, so I don't see Cuban giving a better deal than Houston.

I think it is legit that Melo does not like how Lin took the respect/fans/game plan/ highlights away from Melo, feeling threatened, disrespected, and jealous to a player that produced in 20-30 games.
Compared to Melo's experience, respect, fans and "all star" status that took he took nearly a decade in working hard for, it is a joke for him.
I still think Melo's had plans to execute a move that would send Lin packing for his buddy, Cp3, a player that has mutual respect for one another, to compete vs "Miami's big 3".
Melo is a selfish individual, I do not believe he was truly happy for Lin, especially when fan's "betrayed" him by booing him at home for Jeremy Lin.
He is very power hungry, last year's draft he wanted the Knick's to draft his buddy, Josh Selby, instead of Iman Shumpert, and he likes to wants the input in building a team to what he wants.
Making immature comments right after Iman seconds after he was drafted on Twitter, "with something like LIGHTS OUT, STAY UP LATE FOR NO REASON GNIGHT"

Melo always gets what he wants, if not he will put tantrums like a little kid. He knew the Knicks could have signed him in the off season, but instead would rather them trade their entire roster, so he can get his max deal, and absolutely have no problem with it. With the uncertainty of the new CBA and a lockout possible, he knew he would be losing money had he waited.
But he could have just leaked out, "I am going to NY and WILL NOT SIGN an extension with ANY OTHER TEAM." Something Dwight Howard has done for BKLYN. That would give DW and the Knicks the ultimate leverage, needed to complete a deal. Unlike Howard, Knick's had the room to sign Anthony in the summer or to do another deal to be legit threats so Denver will risk something or NOTHING.
But he didn't and many people are okay with him doing that because he did WHAT WAS BEST FOR HIM, not the best chances to go to NY and win a ring.
Dwight Howard put himself in his situation by letting his option go, so he can have a chance to win a ring in Orlando before leave, well that is what he gets for trying to get the best of both worlds.

Melo wants to be have the ultimate alpha role in NY so he can continue a future deal that would feature him, as the #1 option, and continue producing STATs to justify such a deal.
$$$ and the spotlight are both important to Melo, with the ability to opt out of his final year in 2 more years, right before STAT, Tyson Chandler, Camby, and Kidd expire.
He absolutely has a great bond with Iman, outside of draft night. But Iman is very much willing to go Iso mode 100x in a row, if he called for it.
Lin isn't willing to do that, because he believes he could earn a better % shot, by doing his own thing, and utilizing his roster. Iman does not realize it, but he is being used/hypnotized because he is helping Melo build his next big contract like Joe Johnson's contract right now. He is also hurting his own chances of getting a better deal for his future, but MELO does not care.
So yet, I believe that the team is divided, with pro Anthony or anti Anthony. Lin was not trying to build his contract when he played for us, he was legit, doing what was best for the team.
He gives up the multiple times, only to receive it back, because of his ability to penetrate, and create quality shots.

Look at what Dallas is doing, waiting, waiting, and waiting for the right opportunity.
Dirk might be getting older, but they are making a competitive team, highly unlikely to win a ring, but still has chances to make playoffs.
Keep collecting assets and keep developing high character players, which is exactly what they are doing.
While I do not agree with what Dallas has done since letting Tyson Chandler go, I do believe they would have been in a worse situation than Boston.
Without as many draft picks as Boston, had they continued to keep the core the same as their aging Championship roster.
Patience is what we lacked, after trading Ewing, and we missed many opportunities to get quality players during those years, and instead got over the hill max deals, one after another, with NOT WORTHY FULL MLE players. We traded a bunch of picks and kept purchasing picks, something we are no longer allowed to do.

gunsnewing wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:The Knicks brass should have kept their mouths shut. All those articles saying we were going to match it no matter what could not have helped if Morey really is an a-hole.

Did Morey restructure the new offer at the bequest of Lin and his people, or was it his idea entirely?

Exactly no one to blame here but the Knicks. It aint my money!

it was mainly the analysts/media that did the math, making it a no brainer.
If Morey really wanted Lin, he would have put in that 4th year as well, but he didn't.
He only want's to poison our team for some spiteful reason, don't know if there is something we don't know about.
Considering we are not even on his conference, I don't understand the moves as much, maybe there is a history between the ball clubs.
He is in it just to screw us and laugh to the entire league about what he is doing to our organization.

I can understand Toronto's side of doing, but they continued to give Fields a contract that no one would offer, and they kept their promise, knowing they were out of the Nash hunt.
While I think Fields would do much better in Toronto as opposed to the Knicks because of the fit, they do not need Fields whatsoever.
They still kept their promise, as they should, I wonder if Morey had plans to mislead the Knicks from day 1, using the media.
Is it about ethics only or is it legally binding to give have a verbal commitment? Cause I know Toronto DOES not need Fields with their roster
Is it something we can take legal action on, if in fact, the verbal agreement was the original deal?

Toronto Roster
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G/Fs
Terrence Ross
Derozan
James Johnson
Gary Forbes

Calderon *can also play SG*

Linas Kleiza SF/PF but everyone above can play SG

Fields, not sure where he fits in the rotation, but Toronto surely has some moves to make, with some Euro players stashed as well.

Can he follow in Nash's footsteps? Both are similar in the sense that they are not quick/fast/athletic/ big/long and are both pass first PG's.
He would be a great fit if Lakers want to develop him with a roster spot, but it will take time.
With our lack of roster spots and considering we have many guards, but Iman will be out, he probably won't get any minutes unless SOMEONE gets injured.
But he could learn from Pablo as well, as Kidd, though he doesn't resemble Kidd physically.

If Machado was picked up just to be on our inactive list to practice and develop I wouldn't really mind.
He would be a big project and it would be for a role player so not as much upside as a player like SG/SF Alex Young.
Grunweld is being put in a tough situation, as it could cost JR Smith, future contracts, our future 1st rounder next year, the mini MLE in jeapordy for the next 2 years, and could give us a more cost efficient look that we never once had in New York. $$$ is still money and Dolan is a businessman first, we also can only offer 3 year contracts only, not sure how that works for 1st round picks.
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Papabear wrote:
Papabear Says

Look do the math! Lin is making more money off the field now than on the field. All I am saying why stick it too us if he really wanted to be a New York Knick. Signing that offer sheet he knew that this would hurt us. Lin is getting paid. He is a road scholar. He had to know that this would hurt us. All I am saying is he better be playing like a star and even if he don't he can say screw New York because of the endorsements he is set for life. No way if he wanted to stay in New York would he have signed that contract. He had plenty of money. and when he was sleeping on Fields coach he was still probably making 5 time as much as the average person on this forum.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

So how much other players are making? No, I'm talking about the ones that warms the bench more than him... Oh yeah.. do the real math.