VDesai wrote:Scoring is about two things- shooting efficiency and being able to create offense. Amare is one of the best finishers in the league bar none. He can finish with the jumper and inside, and he can face up. Thats why he is a 25-30 point scorer and Camby and Tyson are 10 ppg. Melo can do both. Melo showed he was remarkably efficient as a post scorer. Melo can create offense from anywhere on the floor- its not always efficient, but we can see when he gets hot he can put in 40+ in a game creating by himself. You need a player like that who can freelance, especially at the end of ballgames when its easy to collapse on a guy like Amare.
The great thing about Tyson and Camby is they are great frontcourt complements to scorers like Amare and Melo. They finish from close or hit short jumpers. They don't need to set up with the ball, so they can let Amare and Melo do their thing without getting in the way. Another underrated aspect is that they clean up the offensive glass and can help finish a possession with putbacks. Defensively, they make up for deficiencies. Both are great help defenders, can clear the glass and Camby especially is an amazing shotblocker.
Talk about Melo and Amare all you want, where were they during Linsanity?
Were they there when we had our losing streaks?
Basketball is a team game, not a person achievement in stats.
Stats are numbers generated from playing game, not necessarily a measure of efficiency.
JJ, Fields, Novak, Iman, Tyson Chandler, Bill Walker, carried by Lin's team play, that WAS EFFICIENCY.
Who was the All Star during those lineups?
They were a bunch of role players and 2nd unit players, outside of Tyson Chandler
A TEAM EFFORT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR
ATTACKING WITH PENETRATION AND FORCING THE DEFENSE TO COMMIT
THE OPPONENTS DEFENSE TO CREATE GOOD LOOKS
SETTING SCREENS TO FREE & MOVING THE BALL TO THE OPEN MAN
UTILIZING EVERYONE AS A SCORING THREAT
no, that group will not be able to beat win a playoff series vs the championship contending teams, but they played the correct way.
Melo doesn't have the ability to penetrate off the dribble and is not a shot blocker/defender/rebounder that Lebron/Wade both are
Many of his RBs are off his own shots and cheating, not defending his man for the RB
He does not have the ability to create good looks for his team and does not even give the effort that real ALL STARS do.
He is a scorer, with poor shot selection, that only knows how to play one style: SCORE and he wants his team to play according to his benefit, NOT THE TEAMS.
We had an identity prior to the Melo trade and we also had one during Linsanity
See the trend? He is very much over rated, till he learns how he can take quality shots and to earn quality looks for his team.
He is STAT WHORE and NOTHING MORE
Amare tries to play team ball, he sacrificed his role throughout the entire year, and he kept saying "WE NEED TO BUY IN TO THE SYSTEM, IT WORKS"
So he tried leading by example, but he is what he is, a scoring C that is poor rebounder/defender as a #1 option.
He no longer fits with the starting lineup vs good teams that match up with his abilities.
Tyson Chandler and Melo takes away Amare's abilities just as much as Amare take's away Melo's ability to post up *by not being able to space the floor*
Amare is a poor defender that Tyson cannot ALWAYS HELP HIM cover with the rest of the team, especially Fields when he plays SG *he does not have the quickness to stay in front of SGs*
Tyson can help Amare but Amare cannot help Chandler cause cannot put a body on a legit center when they already have position.
He is always looking to get BLOCKS but blocks does not necessarily mean good defense.
When he goes for the blocks, he leaves his man and loses position, usually translating to an offense rebound with a basket.
Look at Jeffries, he does not get many rebounds or block shots, but he plays good defense.
I am not blaming 1 person at all, I am pointing out the reasons why we do not work as a unit together, why our starting lineup has had its troubles and will never be a good match up vs elite teams and championship contenders.
I am sick of hearing Melo does this, Melo does that, HE IS NOT AS GREAT as many believe he is...
His stats come at the expense of the team, we live and die by his abilities to make poor shots, but we are playing right in to our opponents defense
Amare needs to be removed from the starting lineup, without bruising his ego, same with Fields.
Dantoni and Woodson both see and knew this, that is why they both were the first one's to the bench, and came back with another lineup.
We need another guard outside of Lin that can penetrate to attack the defense to create open shots for the team.
At this point of his career, Kidd cannot penetrate consistently, he is a spot up shooter, and he still has great passing ability/court vision.
But we need another player, that has legit handle and is can break the defenses down, when our opponents defense lock down on Lin.
Miami has players that are very quick/fast and recovery very quickly. Wade/Lebron/Battier are all lock down defenders and Bosh is a great team defender and good 1v1.
They are all versatile, they are tough to stop, Dallas has a rare player like Dirk that Lebron actually cannot defend if he plays the PF.
His ability to handle the ball, hit the 3pointer, post up mid range, beat you off the dribble, use his length, and he is just a rare versatile player, that we do not have.
Amare is not comparable to Dirk by any means.
We have to able to either match up or counter teams like OKC when Durant/Lebron play that PF spot.
As well, Ray Allan/Wade/Battier/Bosh all versatile players, they have 5 guys that can legit hit the 3pointer, many post option, penetration, and are all versatile.
OKC, how will we be able to defend, Westbrook/Harden/ even Ibaka?
Many teams in the entire league are changing their lineups with talent that are like these teams.
They have taken the philosophy of Dantoni to spread the floor and to create an open lane to penetrate.
Instead of being stubborn, they have also added other theories adjustments/theories in to it.
Adding players that can post up, to attack the defenses.
Our offense is predictable, while these lineups, allow them to hit it to the open man, and anyone can get quality shots.
We cannot play Melo's style, it just does not work....
Everything I say here is 100% is true
7/14/2012 4:12 PM LAST EDITED: 7/14/2012 4:12 PM