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Knicks should make a deal w toronto in a ST for Johnson
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RonRon
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7/13/2012  9:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2012  9:23 PM
loweyecue wrote:
RonRon wrote:btw, for the people that doubt AR, did you even bother to click on the link I provided?
Between AR/Ivan Johnson, I wouldn't be happy with either one, with what we can offer.
Ivan Johnson is the safer pick when in terms of character and AR has a lot of potential still left in him.

AR teamed up with Tyson Chandler/Camby would be very solid and he is still very young, with lots of potential.
I feel we with these 2 mentors, it would be wise for us to find a player that can absorb there experience.
A Taj Gibson would be ideal, but I do not see Bulls parting with him, even if they know a poison pill is heading their way.
I still have strong interest in Tolliver and Ahmad Nivins, as cheaper options, with Ivan Johnson.


I would give up the 2016 pick, 2nd round pick, with the rest of the cash, Gadzuric's contract, and/JJ to see what we can interest and offers we can get from around the league.
I am not sure about the 2016 1st round pick, just to get an idea of what it could net us if there is no interest in the 1st package, but I am not looking to overpay for talent.
Doesn't mean I will pull the trigger but we are in WIN NOW mode already, if we can net ourselves a YOUNG asset with that trade, and feel it would help us out, why not.

Potential does not compensate lack of elementary intelligence. Do you remember when the guy used to freeze wih the ball in his hands trying to figure out which of the 5 positions he was so capable of, he should play at that point? Tyson and Camby can't drill brain cells into his head. ,

different coach, different system, and different players around him this time.
It took JR some time to be mature as well.

He is no longer in his rookie contract trying to make a max contract, he is looking to make a next pay check.
Just like Gereld Green, it took him time, and he has learned.
With the guidance of Tyson Chandler, Camby, and Woodson, I think they can teach him.
On the Twolves, he has played the rebounding, defense, and shot blocking role.
I don't know any other player at our price, that can net us 12pts, 12 rebounds, and 3 blocks that can play PF.

Dantoni gives too much freedom, Woodson tells you what the priority is.
We didn't know what position to actually put him in, he has been playing PF when he gets the chance on The Twolves.

Again did you click the link? I hate to use stats, to measure what he is capable of, but take a look at what he did when he played 30+ minutes steadily.

He isn't the only option I put there, I put other choices, I think we should explore who or what we can get first.
It depends what players are coming at the vet min, which we probably wont know till almost the start of the season.
I am trying to net us assets and build a team that would work well together at the same time.

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7/13/2012  9:23 PM
RonRon wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
RonRon wrote:btw, for the people that doubt AR, did you even bother to click on the link I provided?
Between AR/Ivan Johnson, I wouldn't be happy with either one, with what we can offer.
Ivan Johnson is the safer pick when in terms of character and AR has a lot of potential still left in him.

AR teamed up with Tyson Chandler/Camby would be very solid and he is still very young, with lots of potential.
I feel we with these 2 mentors, it would be wise for us to find a player that can absorb there experience.
A Taj Gibson would be ideal, but I do not see Bulls parting with him, even if they know a poison pill is heading their way.
I still have strong interest in Tolliver and Ahmad Nivins, as cheaper options, with Ivan Johnson.


I would give up the 2016 pick, 2nd round pick, with the rest of the cash, Gadzuric's contract, and/JJ to see what we can interest and offers we can get from around the league.
I am not sure about the 2016 1st round pick, just to get an idea of what it could net us if there is no interest in the 1st package, but I am not looking to overpay for talent.
Doesn't mean I will pull the trigger but we are in WIN NOW mode already, if we can net ourselves a YOUNG asset with that trade, and feel it would help us out, why not.

Potential does not compensate lack of elementary intelligence. Do you remember when the guy used to freeze wih the ball in his hands trying to figure out which of the 5 positions he was so capable of, he should play at that point? Tyson and Camby can't drill brain cells into his head. ,

different coach, different system, and different players around him this time.
It took JR some time to be mature as well.

He is no longer in his rookie contract trying to make a max contract, he is looking to make a next pay check.
Just like Gereld Green, it took him time, and he has learned.
With the guidance of Tyson Chandler, Camby, and Woodson, I think they can teach him.
On the Twolves, he has played the rebounding, defense, and shot blocking role.
I don't know any other player at our price, that can net us 12pts, 12 rebounds, and 3 blocks that can play PF.

Dantoni gives too much freedom, Woodson tells you what the priority is.
We didn't know what position to actually put him in, he has been playing PF when he gets the chance on The Twolves.

Again did you click the link? I hate to use stats, to measure what he is capable of, but take a look at what he did when he played 30+ minutes steadily.

AR is absolutely worth a look, it's not like guys with that sort of potential are available at that price. And if it doesn't work out he's only going to be making around the minimum and he can just be banished to the bench where he won't be able to cause much trouble. If it came down to it we'd be able to buy him out.

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7/13/2012  9:48 PM
I guess at the vet min it can't hurt. But first we need a starting PG, and Houston is killing our plan.
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
Knicks should make a deal w toronto in a ST for Johnson

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