[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Knicks and Steve Novak Agree on 4 year Deal
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 2 of 4 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
Posts: 26191
Alba Posts: 28
Joined: 6/24/2002
Member: #263
USA
7/9/2012  3:51 PM
Novak is a good pickup at a good price.

Here's to him continuing to knock down threes at a fever pitch, and hopefully expanding his game on both ends of the floor.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
AUTOADVERT
Jmpasq
Posts: 25243
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/10/2012
Member: #4182
7/9/2012  3:55 PM
Wow way to much money.Was a Reason he was on the scrap heap.Completly unmovable contract.Who were we even bidding against.
Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
ATrain
Posts: 21487
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2010
Member: #3192
7/9/2012  3:56 PM
MSG3 wrote:That's a lot of money. Glad he's back but he got a bit overpaid. If he can learn to get around screens and move like Korver and Ray Allen a bit it'll be worth it.

Yep. I praying we see an improvement in his game next season.
Jmpasq
Posts: 25243
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/10/2012
Member: #4182
7/9/2012  3:58 PM
I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.
Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/9/2012  4:01 PM
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

¿ △ ?
MS
Posts: 27060
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
7/9/2012  4:05 PM
Knicks need to go hard after Courtney Lee would be nice to sign and trade JR to Houston we need smart players on the floor.
RonRon
Posts: 25531
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/22/2002
Member: #246
7/9/2012  4:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/9/2012  4:09 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.


Exactly; we're talking about a salary far below what the average NBA player makes.
Nalod
Posts: 71312
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
7/9/2012  4:11 PM
Glad he is signed so now we can bash him.

Lets hope he can work in the off season on his handle and his tan.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/9/2012  4:11 PM
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.

they were never going to use the $5M mle. okay? okay.

¿ △ ?
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/9/2012  4:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  4:17 PM
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.


Is more complete the same thing as better? Are you sure it's better to be mediocre in many areas (Neal, Foye) than the best in the nation in one and below average in the rest (Novak)?
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/9/2012  4:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.


Is more complete the same thing as better? Are you sure it's better to be mediocre in many areas (Neal, Foye) than the best in the nation in one and below average in the rest (Novak)?

agreed. sometimes building a team is better.

and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

¿ △ ?
Knixkik
Posts: 35475
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
7/9/2012  4:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.


Is more complete the same thing as better? Are you sure it's better to be mediocre in many areas (Neal, Foye) than the best in the nation in one and below average in the rest (Novak)?

agreed. sometimes building a team is better.

and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

We were very lucky. It means getting Kidd and Novak already, and who knows what other affects it could have.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/9/2012  4:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  4:33 PM
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.


Is more complete the same thing as better? Are you sure it's better to be mediocre in many areas (Neal, Foye) than the best in the nation in one and below average in the rest (Novak)?

agreed. sometimes building a team is better.

and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

We were very lucky. It means getting Kidd and Novak already, and who knows what other affects it could have.


Amnesty clause, Lin landing in our laps, birds rights case. We have had more gifts in the past year than most teams get in a decade. Without those gifts, we basically have Amare, Melo, and no one.
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/9/2012  4:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:I thought Novak was worth max 2.5 a year. I was thinking 3 years 7 million, 2 years 5 million something like that.

it's $3.5M per year for a guy who led the NBA in 3pt% and knows and fits the team. not a bad deal.

its really not and I can't blame Knicks financial problems on him.
I am unsure of this move because if JR doesn't resign, we could be just a little short of having the full 5m MLE to use, if we can trade for Kidd.

But players Danny Green, Gary Neal, Randy Foye will cost probably the same or less.
While they are much more complete players.


Is more complete the same thing as better? Are you sure it's better to be mediocre in many areas (Neal, Foye) than the best in the nation in one and below average in the rest (Novak)?

agreed. sometimes building a team is better.

and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

We were very lucky. It means getting Kidd and Novak already, and who knows what other affects it could have.


Amnesty clause, Lin landing in our laps, birds rights case. We have had more gifts in the past year than most teams get in a decade. Without those gifts, we basically have Amare, Melo, and no one.

well, smaller gifts. some teams get lebron james or kevin durant...

¿ △ ?
crzymdups
Posts: 52018
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/1/2004
Member: #671
USA
7/9/2012  4:36 PM
also, it's easier to build a team once the core is in place. the amnesty was available to any team to use. lin was a total gift though.
¿ △ ?
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
7/9/2012  4:47 PM
Exactly

crzymdups wrote:
and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

Thank You crzymdups

once a knick always a knick
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/9/2012  4:48 PM
RonRon wrote:
Bizzy211 wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/07/knicks-to-re-sign-steve-novak.html

There goes our chance of getting the 5m MLE, even though it was unlikely.
4m is a pretty good deal for Novak, with his skill set, defensive liability, and as a tweener.
I would have preferred a deal 2-2.5m, would rather him walk, if anything more, and have the 5m MLE instead.
I think JR Smith, believes he is worth more than Novak, with his age, ability to create his own shot, defend, and good athleticism.


I think we over payed but hey, its not my $.
I am glad we get Novak back but would have preferred a veteran minimum 3point specialist, using the 5m MLE with 2 contracts or one try to get a steal player that can be used as an asset.
Like Felton or Beasley *I know its less 1m less than what the Sun's offered but to give Beasley to sell the opportunity to get his revenge on The Heat to intensify the rivalry.
Even a player like JJ Hickson or Carl Laundry, deserve more than him.


It's not that bad of a contract, its just because we have Amare/Melo making so much $ and not being able to penetrate, facilitate, and handle the ball as a G to create really hurts.
Tax Apron, here we come, to join BKLYN.

For that $, I think a combination of

Anthony Tolliver/Boris Diaw

and

Danny Green/Courtney Lee/Terrence Williams would be better...


Knicks couldnt sign the guys you mentioned. They were only able to sign Novak because they won the bird's rights case. Knicks could not have resigned Novak, would not have Kidd and would have used the mle on Lin.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/9/2012  4:51 PM
misterearl wrote:Exactly

crzymdups wrote:
and i love how people are conveniently ignoring the fact that we can't pay players from other teams $3.5M right now because we're over the cap.

and we're LUCKY we were able to win bird rights for novak and re-sign him.

Thank You crzymdups

Missed this sorry for the repost.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/9/2012  4:53 PM
Novak is worth it! We had almost no spacing, penetration or ball movement and that means that the Heat could just play their zone, which allows them to be within 2 steps of the paint and the 3 point line. The main reason is that Lebron and Wade are so fast that they can close off the paint and still get back to the 3pt line. However, we didn't even have any penetration to draw them away from Novak. They could just have someone stay right near him cuz our offense was too simple and predictable and it didn't force the D to adjust and cover the entire court. This year we'll have more penetration and spacing so Novak should be able to get open looks. Also we didn't set enough picks for Novak to get open or use him coming off curls. This is partly Woody's fault for going away from those plays that worked.
Page 2 of 4 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Knicks and Steve Novak Agree on 4 year Deal
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy