loweyecue wrote:Sign JR and trade him and TD to Detroit for Rip.

and then Joe can have a big laugh.

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Don't pass up on Redd. For the money the Knicks have to spend he would be a damn good pick.

I dont get this... what's Redd giving you that Novak won't?

An ability to create a shot.

Maybe, if he was actually on the court. The dude can't play anymore, period. He has an extremely long injury history and he'll be 33 when the season begins.

Vmart wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Don't pass up on Redd. For the money the Knicks have to spend he would be a damn good pick.

I dont get this... what's Redd giving you that Novak won't?

An ability to create a shot.

Maybe, if he was actually on the court. The dude can't play anymore, period. He has an extremely long injury history and he'll be 33 when the season begins.

Redd is back from his injuries and getting better all the time. He would be an ideal player at SG coming off the bench. I never said it was about Novak or Redd. I would like to have both on the team. The more shooters the better. Knee injuries take time to comeback from and Redd is getting his form back this is what the Knicks will have to go through with Shump. Its a process and Redd is finally coming around to his original form.

I agree, you can never use enough shooters.
A reason why I feel Novak is not worth keeping with so many veteran min players that can shoot just as good, younger players with more skill set, and players that play much better D if they do not shoot as well. Again, it could be the difference between having the 5m MLE and maybe even a BAE at 1.9m.
So each contract makes a difference, as well as opening roster spots to fill. I would say sorry, if he wants 3m for sure.
I think his shooting can be replaced by players like Danny Green as a better option and younger, while moving Melo to PF at times.

RonRon wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Don't pass up on Redd. For the money the Knicks have to spend he would be a damn good pick.

I dont get this... what's Redd giving you that Novak won't?

An ability to create a shot.

Maybe, if he was actually on the court. The dude can't play anymore, period. He has an extremely long injury history and he'll be 33 when the season begins.

Redd is back from his injuries and getting better all the time. He would be an ideal player at SG coming off the bench. I never said it was about Novak or Redd. I would like to have both on the team. The more shooters the better. Knee injuries take time to comeback from and Redd is getting his form back this is what the Knicks will have to go through with Shump. Its a process and Redd is finally coming around to his original form.

I agree, you can never use enough shooters.
A reason why I feel Novak is not worth keeping with so many veteran min players that can shoot just as good, younger players with more skill set, and players that play much better D if they do not shoot as well. Again, it could be the difference between having the 5m MLE and maybe even a BAE at 1.9m.
So each contract makes a difference, as well as opening roster spots to fill. I would say sorry, if he wants 3m for sure.
I think his shooting can be replaced by players like Danny Green as a better option and younger, while moving Melo to PF at times.

I agree Novak just isn't a threat off the dribble and that played right into the Heat plan. They knew if you crowd Novak he won't get his shot off and he doesn't have the ability to go by anyone. His defense is suspect. I think there are better options out there, Shawne Williams is just one name that would be an upgrade.

It call comes down to if we unload TD's contract, if JR Smith Resigns, if we can do S&T for Kidd, and the final numbers of getting the 5m MLE and BAE or not.
There are many shooters out there, as FA's and undrafted players, how much more is Novak really worth over those guys?
So a portion of the MLE can go to Camby, we can still add shooters, and 2 way players that fit this "clumsy" team much better.

I am just saying, if we can sign and trade for Kidd, have a 5m MLE, and a BAE, Novak is replaceable with a veterans minimum player.
So we have much more roster if we unload TD, Jordan, Fields *goner*, Novak, and 2 open roster spots to begin with *not counting Chris Smith but I think he will be a Knick to keep JR happy*

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Don't pass up on Redd. For the money the Knicks have to spend he would be a damn good pick.

I dont get this... what's Redd giving you that Novak won't?

An ability to create a shot.

what? Redd was never a breakdown player.

And he shot 40% from the field last year. And definitely does not defend.

Again, what does he bring to the Knicks that Novak role doesn't fill or that JR or a young SG can't bring?

I am thinking that the Knicks prob bring over that PG from Spain to fill the 3rd PG/sometimes SG role.

I see these guys with the potential of Laundry Field's rookie year, with a better shot, and more killed.

VCoug wrote:

Vmart wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Don't pass up on Redd. For the money the Knicks have to spend he would be a damn good pick.

I dont get this... what's Redd giving you that Novak won't?

An ability to create a shot.

Maybe, if he was actually on the court. The dude can't play anymore, period. He has an extremely long injury history and he'll be 33 when the season begins.

Redd is back from his injuries and getting better all the time. He would be an ideal player at SG coming off the bench. I never said it was about Novak or Redd. I would like to have both on the team. The more shooters the better. Knee injuries take time to comeback from and Redd is getting his form back this is what the Knicks will have to go through with Shump. Its a process and Redd is finally coming around to his original form.

I need more evidence than him playing 15mpg in 51 games last season before I'm willing to say he's back from his injuries. Also, he really only had one good month in April. The rest of the season, January through March, he was bad.

Its a vet minimum vs 2-3m that Novak is looking for.
When they both can't create their own shot.
Redd is probably worse on DEF though.
Rather have Anthony Tolliver, at a cheaper price than Novak, with Redd playing part of Novak's limited role.

Especially if it is difference between having the 5m MLE or not, with possible BAE.
Players like Danny Green, Gary Neal, Dunleavy, Delfino all have just as good as a stroke, with other skills.
They could all cost less or the same as Novak.

VCoug wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Its a vet minimum vs 2-3m that Novak is looking for.
When they both can't create their own shot.
Redd is probably worse on DEF though.
Rather have Anthony Tolliver, at a cheaper price than Novak, with Redd playing part of Novak's limited role.

Especially if it is difference between having the 5m MLE or not, with possible BAE.
Players like Danny Green, Gary Neal, Dunleavy, Delfino all have just as good as a stroke, with other skills.
They could all cost less or the same as Novak.

Sure, Redd might be cheaper but I trust Novak to actually stay healthy. And if we match Lin's deal, sign Kidd and Camby, and resign JR there's pretty much no way we'll still have the full MLE or the BAE.

Yeah, but there are a lot of if's in between.
If JR stays for under his market value...
IF we can manage to trade for Kidd or Camby.

IF another team does not try to screw us up again...
If Novak is willing to take slightly less to stay, considering this is probably his one and last chance to make his best contract.
That was why I didn't want to target Nash to begin with, I didn't think Lin and his agent would like appreciate that.
But if you told him to take less money so we can get the 5m MLE to use on another position, while retaining Novak, and the core players that would compliment Lin, there would be a better chance, giving Lin a player option to benefit the team and him staying in NY.
How would you feel if you were Lin? Would you take less $ to a player that could steal your job and make you a possible trade asset, the way we have been willing to break up players from our track record?

RonRon wrote:

VCoug wrote:

RonRon wrote:

Its a vet minimum vs 2-3m that Novak is looking for.
When they both can't create their own shot.
Redd is probably worse on DEF though.
Rather have Anthony Tolliver, at a cheaper price than Novak, with Redd playing part of Novak's limited role.

Especially if it is difference between having the 5m MLE or not, with possible BAE.
Players like Danny Green, Gary Neal, Dunleavy, Delfino all have just as good as a stroke, with other skills.
They could all cost less or the same as Novak.

Sure, Redd might be cheaper but I trust Novak to actually stay healthy. And if we match Lin's deal, sign Kidd and Camby, and resign JR there's pretty much no way we'll still have the full MLE or the BAE.

Yeah, but there are a lot of if's in between.
If JR stays for under his market value...
IF we can manage to trade for Kidd or Camby.

IF another team does not try to screw us up again...
If Novak is willing to take slightly less to stay, considering this is probably his one and last chance to make his best contract.
That was why I didn't want to target Nash to begin with, I didn't think Lin and his agent would like appreciate that.
But if you told him to take less money so we can get the 5m MLE to use on another position, while retaining Novak, and the core players that would compliment Lin, there would be a better chance, giving Lin a player option to benefit the team and him staying in NY.
How would you feel if you were Lin? Would you take less $ to a player that could steal your job and make you a possible trade asset, the way we have been willing to break up players from our track record?