MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

arkrud wrote:Amare is expensive player on decline with questionable health uninsured and lately mentally unstable.
This all translates as untradable.

It would be interesting to do a poll on what people would rather have for $44 mil next year: Amare and Melo or 6 to 7 very solid players at the Lin/Terry level plus all the picks we gave up to get Melo.

you realize that only 5 guys can be on the floor at once in the nba.

if you had that many very solid players and picks... you'd want to package them for a star.

Yeah, only five play at once. Therefore, it would be tragic to have more than five good players.

Tyson Chandler
Carmelo Anthony
Amar'e Stoudemire
Jeremy Lin
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton

and the potential to bring in another with the $3M mle.

not to mention JR Smith and Steve Novak aren't exactly chopped liver.

Yeah, to the casual fan we've looked awesome on paper almost all century.

yeah, Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Kurt Thomas... all those guys were really good and all won defensive player of the year, had multiple all-star appearances, all were invited to join the Olympic team. you're right. how can i argue with you.

That's ok man. Bonn thinks any roster is garbage unless it has LeBron James on it. He also says the Oakland A's made it to the World Series in the moneyball era. Hard to argue with him.

Only an idiot would make an occasional mistake in a 9 year posting history.

Only an idiot would make judgments on player reputation, sabermetrics and not actually watching games. I hope you're not an idiot and actually watch games.

This group is not bad but... all of them have buts attached to them.
Tyson Chandler - no offensive game
Carmelo Anthony - no team game
Amar'e Stoudemire - no game
Jeremy Lin - not proven commodity
Iman Shumpert - no health and may be no knees
Raymond Felton - to much fat
JR Smith - no brain
Steve Novak - no ability to make his own shot and no defense
Woody - no idea about NBA offense
So to have success with this group they all need to overachieve and play together team ball...
So they can go from very bad to world beaters but most likely will stay mediocre.
I hope I am wrong...

And don't forget, we're currently living in a reality where Landry Fields--God bless his heart--is set to make $20 million, Omer Asik is worth $25 million over three years and Roy Hibbert is a max contract guy. That is Linsane.

Our team as currently constituted has problems for sure, but what's the best case scenario the other way? The planets align and we're the 76ers for a few years before our "good players" are drastically overpaid?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:I think six to seven good players would sound nice, but the logistics of actually getting them? Tough.

And don't forget, we're currently living in a reality where Landry Fields--God bless his heart--is set to make $20 million, Omer Asik is worth $25 million over three years and Roy Hibbert is a max contract guy. That is Linsane.

Our team as currently constituted has problems for sure, but what's the best case scenario the other way? The planets align and we're the 76ers for a few years before our "good players" are drastically overpaid?

The best case scenario the other way is that we're OKC or we used our desirable assets to get players like the Heat have now. The key is to have as many assets as possible and to hold onto until you truly are getting something worthy of them.

True, but look at those respective situations and how tough they are to replicate. No team is going to let a LeBron/Bosh star walk in FA anymore, so these super teams coming together sans big-time trades are a relic of the past. And OKC? Love that team, but their core is three legit max contract guys (one of whom is likely walking), shrewdly taken in the draft after years of perpetual on-court humiliation. So you're not only going to have to suck for a long period of time, you'll also have to a) have the ping pong balls go your way and b) make sure you hit on your picks. Maybe you get Durant. Or maybe you get Oden. Maybe you get Rose. Or maybe you get Beasley.

Not to mention, the Knicks already forfeited two seasons in pursuit of big-name free agents. There is no way--especially with Brooklyn making noise--that the fans or front office will abide by more sustained years of pathetic play for a shot at that blueprint.

And what Heat-like players are you talking about? Surely not LeBron or Wade-calibers so, who? Battier? Chalmers?

I know where you're coming from and there's a big part of me that's sympathetic, but, sadly, this is the NBA, not a Disney movie. Even the Hickory Huskers had Jimmy Chitwood.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:I think six to seven good players would sound nice, but the logistics of actually getting them? Tough.

And don't forget, we're currently living in a reality where Landry Fields--God bless his heart--is set to make $20 million, Omer Asik is worth $25 million over three years and Roy Hibbert is a max contract guy. That is Linsane.

Our team as currently constituted has problems for sure, but what's the best case scenario the other way? The planets align and we're the 76ers for a few years before our "good players" are drastically overpaid?

The best case scenario the other way is that we're OKC or we used our desirable assets to get players like the Heat have now. The key is to have as many assets as possible and to hold onto until you truly are getting something worthy of them.

True, but look at those respective situations and how tough they are to replicate. No team is going to let a LeBron/Bosh star walk in FA anymore, so these super teams coming together sans big-time trades are a relic of the past. And OKC? Love that team, but their core is three legit max contract guys (one of whom is likely walking), shrewdly taken in the draft after years of perpetual on-court humiliation. So you're not only going to have to suck for a long period of time, you'll also have to a) have the ping pong balls go your way and b) make sure you hit on your picks. Maybe you get Durant. Or maybe you get Oden. Maybe you get Rose. Or maybe you get Beasley.

Not to mention, the Knicks already forfeited two seasons in pursuit of big-name free agents. There is no way--especially with Brooklyn making noise--that the fans or front office will abide by more sustained years of pathetic play for a shot at that blueprint.

And what Heat-like players are you talking about? Surely not LeBron or Wade-calibers so, who? Battier? Chalmers?

I know where you're coming from and there's a big part of me that's sympathetic, but, sadly, this is the NBA, not a Disney movie. Even the Hickory Huskers had Jimmy Chitwood.

One out of thirty teams wins the championship each year. There is no such thing as a high-probability of success strategy. There are only ones that work under rare circumstances (like the Heat/OKC strategies) and ones that never work (like Dolan's repeated starphucking).

How about Houston with their sabermetrician Daryl Morey?

ChuckBuck wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:I think six to seven good players would sound nice, but the logistics of actually getting them? Tough.

And don't forget, we're currently living in a reality where Landry Fields--God bless his heart--is set to make $20 million, Omer Asik is worth $25 million over three years and Roy Hibbert is a max contract guy. That is Linsane.

Our team as currently constituted has problems for sure, but what's the best case scenario the other way? The planets align and we're the 76ers for a few years before our "good players" are drastically overpaid?

The best case scenario the other way is that we're OKC or we used our desirable assets to get players like the Heat have now. The key is to have as many assets as possible and to hold onto until you truly are getting something worthy of them.

True, but look at those respective situations and how tough they are to replicate. No team is going to let a LeBron/Bosh star walk in FA anymore, so these super teams coming together sans big-time trades are a relic of the past. And OKC? Love that team, but their core is three legit max contract guys (one of whom is likely walking), shrewdly taken in the draft after years of perpetual on-court humiliation. So you're not only going to have to suck for a long period of time, you'll also have to a) have the ping pong balls go your way and b) make sure you hit on your picks. Maybe you get Durant. Or maybe you get Oden. Maybe you get Rose. Or maybe you get Beasley.

Not to mention, the Knicks already forfeited two seasons in pursuit of big-name free agents. There is no way--especially with Brooklyn making noise--that the fans or front office will abide by more sustained years of pathetic play for a shot at that blueprint.

And what Heat-like players are you talking about? Surely not LeBron or Wade-calibers so, who? Battier? Chalmers?

I know where you're coming from and there's a big part of me that's sympathetic, but, sadly, this is the NBA, not a Disney movie. Even the Hickory Huskers had Jimmy Chitwood.

One out of thirty teams wins the championship each year. There is no such thing as a high-probability of success strategy. There are only ones that work under rare circumstances (like the Heat/OKC strategies) and ones that never work (like Dolan's repeated starphucking).

How about Houston with their sabermetrician Daryl Morey?

He's like the Billy Beane of the NBA!

I bet you he read both Berri's and James books front to back and front again!

Whoa, whoa, whoa don't insult Billy Beane like that. Beane and the A's did a really good job for awhile there, especially considering the disadvantages they had work around with regards the MLB and it's lack of salary cap. They were contenders for several years and nearly made the World Series a couple of times (if Giambi slides into home they would have been in the World Series). Daryl Morey has a team full of role players that finished 2 games over .500 and can't even make the playoffs.

EDIT: Billy Beane did a lot with a little and Daryl Morey has done nothing with more.

Knicks fans... Hearing Amar'e Stoudemire is working his tail off... he has a trainer with him everywhere he's going working twice per day.

DJMUSIC wrote:
I'll plead the 5th
When I make a Amare Stout post I'll get killed in here
cause they all hate da DJ.

its likely my music *grins

Oh, no. I want to hear people's opinion on Amar'e's status because I am absolutely in the dark believing Dolan would overspend and take the luxury tax penalty to keep everyone back (adding Kidd now). I'm just curious how they're going to keep all that together. Maybe Dolan will repeat the same thing he's been doing all these years, overspend, overspend and overspend until things start to smell and then hire another poor soul like Donnie Walsh to clean it up just to force him to 'retire' afterwards...

Jmpasq wrote:Steve Kyler‏@stevekylerNBA

Knicks fans... Hearing Amar'e Stoudemire is working his tail off... he has a trainer with him everywhere he's going working twice per day.

JamesLin wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:
I'll plead the 5th
When I make a Amare Stout post I'll get killed in here
cause they all hate da DJ.

its likely my music *grins

Oh, no. I want to hear people's opinion on Amar'e's status because I am absolutely in the dark believing Dolan would overspend and take the luxury tax penalty to keep everyone back (adding Kidd now). I'm just curious how they're going to keep all that together. Maybe Dolan will repeat the same thing he's been doing all these years, overspend, overspend and overspend until things start to smell and then hire another poor soul like Donnie Walsh to clean it up just to force him to 'retire' afterwards...

I love when Amare came to Knicks, "Knicks are back" he boasted. Off court how can one not root for Stout ?
However in this crude business he isn't going to be a healthy option for Knicks success and he cannot play
with Melo Anthony, where Melo plays with Amare fine.

I'd love to say Amare is going to help NYK win few rounds in nba playoffs but fact is Stout will be hard pressed
to be healthy and injury free when it counts, crucial games and playoffs!

For fans whom love Stout he isnt going anywhere soon a man nice guy with back problems uninsured back for life in pro hoops
and our best bet if there are no takers in few seasons let his contract run out & come of books which may help knicks $$
in times then to spend on players of the future.

Right now Amare is considered a #2 option 2nd best player but he cannot be your only very good player behind Melo
His status and role is unpredictable and unreliable that is the issue I got with depending on Stout.