JamesKPolk wrote:He did not draft Shumpert and Jorts.

he was working for the knicks when they were drafted and took over the interim role like 8 days after the draft. also, two months before the draft everyone on the team knew donnie wouldn't be back.

you really think he wasn't leading the draft last year? ok.

could be just as easy as lin for nash, which i'd have no problem with.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Nash is ancient. Knicks can't keep making other game execs of the year. Hopefully grunwald has the juice to stop this.

on what planet was grunwald not one of the best GMs in the game last year? Tyson? Lin? Shumpert? Novak? JR Smith? Jorts?

ppppffffft

I am talking about morey and the guy in Denver

oh yeah when morey stole jordan hill from us? or when the guy in denver stole felton from us?

those trades weren't bad trades, the only people who remember them negatively now are knicks fans.

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:He did not draft Shumpert and Jorts.

he was working for the knicks when they were drafted and took over the interim role like 8 days after the draft. also, two months before the draft everyone on the team knew donnie wouldn't be back.

you really think he wasn't leading the draft last year? ok.

Yes, I really think he wasn't leading the draft. Donnie came out and said the picks were his decisions and his final moves with the team. But let's give Saint Grunwald all the credit, even the ones he doesn't deserve.

JamesKPolk wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:He did not draft Shumpert and Jorts.

he was working for the knicks when they were drafted and took over the interim role like 8 days after the draft. also, two months before the draft everyone on the team knew donnie wouldn't be back.

you really think he wasn't leading the draft last year? ok.

Yes, I really think he wasn't leading the draft. Donnie came out and said the picks were his decisions and his final moves with the team. But let's give Saint Grunwald all the credit, even the ones he doesn't deserve.

actually donnie said the room was split and he looked at mike d'antoni and gave d'antoni the final call on shumpert.

but grunwald was in the room and heavily involved in the scouting and drafting of those players.

i don't know why you feel compelled to argue otherwise. do you think grunwald was just sitting there not doing anything? do you think that's why he was named interim GM 8 days after the draft and then full-fledged GM? because Dolan was impressed by how little grunwald did? really?

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:He did not draft Shumpert and Jorts.

he was working for the knicks when they were drafted and took over the interim role like 8 days after the draft. also, two months before the draft everyone on the team knew donnie wouldn't be back.

you really think he wasn't leading the draft last year? ok.

Yes, I really think he wasn't leading the draft. Donnie came out and said the picks were his decisions and his final moves with the team. But let's give Saint Grunwald all the credit, even the ones he doesn't deserve.

actually donnie said the room was split and he looked at mike d'antoni and gave d'antoni the final call on shumpert.

but grunwald was in the room and heavily involved in the scouting and drafting of those players.

i don't know why you feel compelled to argue otherwise. do you think grunwald was just sitting there not doing anything? do you think that's why he was named interim GM 8 days after the draft and then full-fledged GM? because Dolan was impressed by how little grunwald did? really?

I am arguing otherwise because Shumpert and Harrellson were Walsh's last 2 official draft picks with the team. That's a fact and has nothing to do with Grunwald. Donnie Walsh deserves credit for those draft picks. Grunwald has been okay, nothing amazing about him to write home about. Dolan hiring him doesn't really credence to anything since Dolan was impressed by Isiah Thomas at one point. Whatever input Grunwald might had had on the 2011 draft, Walsh was the one who made the final call as the ultimate decision maker. People can throw out their theories about how he has been impacting the team since forever but these are just stories to add to his sainthood.

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Yes, i'm sure he got Lin off waivers with Linsanity in mind. He had that planned out brilliantly.

yeah, he also probably didn't plan for tyson to win defensive player of the year so we can write that move off, too. also, he probably didn't expect novak to shoot 47% from 3pt range, so that doesn't count either.

when you get right down to it, why hasn't glen grunwald been fired yet?

The Tyson / Billups move was/is awful. I don't care how shortsighted everyone chooses to be.

huh? okay, i'm clearly posting in bizarro land. do we take into account the fact that billups missed almost the entire season and might retire at age 35? and that tyson won defensive player of the year at age 29 and is a knick for three more seasons at least?

do we take into account that the knicks were the FIFTH BEST DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE LEAGUE with tyson?

or does that not matter?

fire grunwald! waive tyson! waaaaah.

JR Smith genius? Did you watch him play at all? Then again, you're the one who was fighting tooth and nail for Jamal Crawford to sign here. The same Crawford who's been an awful shooter most of his career and shot 38% last season with the Blazers. Jr Smith is a more athletic Crawford but dumber. There wasn't much genius in signing him. I don't even want him back.

But yes, please tell me how great Knicks brass has been. The best GM to come through here in the past decade is Donnie and he was run out of town for Dolan yes men. And that's the bottom line because the 11th President of the United States said so.

JamesKPolk wrote:Why is Woodson genius? LOL. Ah yes, his patented iso-offense is pure genius. Give the ball to your best player and isolate him. Nobody in the NBA has thought of this as an option.

JR Smith genius? Did you watch him play at all? Then again, you're the one who was fighting tooth and nail for Jamal Crawford to sign here. The same Crawford who's been an awful shooter most of his career and shot 38% last season with the Blazers. Jr Smith is a more athletic Crawford but dumber. There wasn't much genius in signing him. I don't even want him back.

But yes, please tell me how great Knicks brass has been. The best GM to come through here in the past decade is Donnie and he was run out of town for Dolan yes men. And that's the bottom line because the 11th President of the United States said so.

really? tell me about donnie's moves. tell me about how he gave zach randolph away 19 months before lebron james could be a free agent and then zach randolph became one of the most valuable players in the western conference. tell me about the jordan hill draft pick that was so bad donnie had to trade the 2012 first round pick just to clear hill off the cap. tell me about all the players donnie passed over for jordan hill. jrue holiday. ty lawson. brandon jennings. tell me about the david lee trade that netted us.... what exactly? nothing. tell me about how donnie laid down and retired when dolan took the reigns on the melo deal. please, tell me all these stories about donnie. also be sure to tell me about donnie's coaching hire mike d'antoni and how he was a perfect fit for new york. tell me how he gave amar'e 5yrs $100M when no one else offered more than 3yrs.

then i'll tell you about glen grunwald and how mike woodson went 18-6 after d'antoni farted his way to 18-24. i'll tell you that jr smith played defense and is a great player when he's not forced to be the second option in the offense due to injury. how tyson chandler won defensive player of the year. how the knicks had the fifth best defense in the league, their best mark since van gundy quit. how the jeremy lin signing was the kind of signing that people around here have been begging the knicks to make for years. ditto novak.

walsh changed the culture. he was a breath of fresh air after isiah. i like him a lot. but his record here is over-inflated by a lot. grunwald's first season was better than any year walsh had as knicks gm.