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I know I'm in the minority but I still would trade Tyson + Amare for Dwight
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yellowboy90
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7/2/2012  1:53 AM
CashMoney wrote:That would be a terrible deal for the Knicks. Howard is not much of an upgrade over Chandler then throw in STAT to boot?

Can he get a rim shot.

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7/2/2012  5:17 AM
CashMoney wrote:Howard is not much of an upgrade over Chandler

You can't be serious??? Its not even close in any way.

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7/2/2012  6:26 AM
CashMoney wrote:That would be a terrible deal for the Knicks. Howard is not much of an upgrade over Chandler then throw in STAT to boot?

Not sure if serious.
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7/2/2012  9:23 AM
Chandler isn't nearly as good as everyone gives him credit. An easy way to judge a player is by switching boths respective teams. If Chandler played on the Magic they would have been one of the worst teams in the Eastern conference missing the playoffs. While with Howard the Magic were the fourt best team.

You get the guy if you can.

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7/2/2012  10:06 AM
Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.
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7/2/2012  11:35 AM
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

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7/2/2012  11:45 AM
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

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7/2/2012  1:16 PM
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.

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7/2/2012  1:25 PM
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.
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7/2/2012  2:02 PM
Just an update for those who like to pretend dwight Howard's back injury doesn't exist- according to yahoo he not only had surgery to repair the herniated disc, but also to remove sizable bone fragments, and probably won't be ready for the start of the season. But I know you like to ignore this minor fact.
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7/2/2012  2:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2012  2:09 PM
smackeddog wrote:Just an update for those who like to pretend dwight Howard's back injury doesn't exist- according to yahoo he not only had surgery to repair the herniated disc, but also to remove sizable bone fragments, and probably won't be ready for the start of the season. But I know you like to ignore this minor fact.

I agree; there's no way you can ignore that. This trade would be a huge gamble. I'd do the trade just because it could work out, and if it doesn't, we at least got rid of a lot of $$$ taking up cap space. I wouldn't give Howard a contract extension until he shows that he's healthy though.
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7/2/2012  2:10 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place

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7/2/2012  2:22 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.
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7/2/2012  2:43 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.

Of course he is not but not having the amnesty for Amare is and will.

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7/2/2012  2:49 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.

Of course he is not but not having the amnesty for Amare is and will.


Oh, yeah. I misunderstood what you meant.
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7/2/2012  2:55 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.

Of course he is not but not having the amnesty for Amare is and will.


Oh, yeah. I misunderstood what you meant.

And as good as Chandler is (which is inflated over his last 2 years), it is not good enough to carry Amare.

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7/2/2012  3:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.

Of course he is not but not having the amnesty for Amare is and will.


Oh, yeah. I misunderstood what you meant.

And as good as Chandler is (which is inflated over his last 2 years), it is not good enough to carry Amare.


I mostly agree. If you look at Tyson's career numbers and injury history, the odds are against the idea that he'll play at the same level and be as healthy over the next 3 years as he was the last 2. He can still be very good but not enough to carry Amare, like you said. That's why even in the worst case scenario - Dwight never recovers and he and Torgulu both stink - at least we get out of the the contract situation we're in now.
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7/2/2012  3:13 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
y2zipper wrote:Howard is an upgrade over Chandler because he's younger and more athletic. The issue with the trade is that Hedo is pretty useless.

Yes, that and Amare's contract is going to truly attract alot of attention. Every GM's starving for a bloated starphucque contract for someone clearly on the downside.

I didn't say it was a realistic trade. It's only based on the notion that Amare and Chandler is better than nothing for Howard.

is it better than Dwight for Bynum plus a future 1st round pick, + taking one bad salary back for Lakers?
Amare is just not in the same category as these guys, they will just laugh at the offer.


Bynum + a pick is way better than Tyson plus Amare. Tyson's a very nice acquisition but that's outweighed by the $65 mil uninsured that Amare costs. We'd be asking them to spend $110 mil over 3 years on a front-court that didn't exactly lead us to anything worthwhile last May.

The Chandler signing / Billups amnesty (not amare) will cripple this franchise for a while IMHO

I've been saying this from the start and now, finally, it is being discussed and recognized all over the place


Chandler's playing at a very high level. This would be a sub .500 team without him and he's highly tradeable. I don't think he is crippling any franchise.

Of course he is not but not having the amnesty for Amare is and will.


Oh, yeah. I misunderstood what you meant.

And as good as Chandler is (which is inflated over his last 2 years), it is not good enough to carry Amare.


I mostly agree. If you look at Tyson's career numbers and injury history, the odds are against the idea that he'll play at the same level and be as healthy over the next 3 years as he was the last 2. He can still be very good but not enough to carry Amare, like you said. That's why even in the worst case scenario - Dwight never recovers and he and Torgulu both stink - at least we get out of the the contract situation we're in now.

Agreed. However, I am sure that Howards contract will be insurable in case he has a career ending back injury (unlike Amare). And, Chandlers stock will never be hight.

Based on what Howard has stated, he will not extend upon trade (unless its brooklyn) which might not be bad since that would leave us with alot of cap flexibility.

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7/2/2012  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2012  3:50 PM
Broussard saying if nets sign jj they are out of the running. Howard would either go to Houston or stay in Orlando. Knicks should at least inquire about dwight
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7/2/2012  6:28 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Broussard saying if nets sign jj they are out of the running. Howard would either go to Houston or stay in Orlando. Knicks should at least inquire about dwight

With the Nets trade possibly going down, Knicks need to be on the phone with Orlando right now...

I know I'm in the minority but I still would trade Tyson + Amare for Dwight

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