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JamesKPolk
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6/29/2012  1:01 AM
I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".
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6/29/2012  1:08 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

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6/29/2012  1:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

Kevin Garnett is old and it doesn't matter how good of a teacher is because Fab Melo sucks.

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6/29/2012  1:30 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

Kevin Garnett is old and it doesn't matter how good of a teacher is because Fab Melo sucks.

KG is one of the best defensive players in the league. just trying to preach some realism here. i don't see him leaving boston. people said duncan was washed up and the spurs got the #1 seed this year. i think boston will look very similar next year, maybe ray allen goes elsewhere, but they probably have the inside track on jeff green. and fab melo will be okay. sullinger could be the steal of the draft.

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6/29/2012  1:34 AM
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

Kevin Garnett is old and it doesn't matter how good of a teacher is because Fab Melo sucks.

KG is one of the best defensive players in the league. just trying to preach some realism here. i don't see him leaving boston. people said duncan was washed up and the spurs got the #1 seed this year. i think boston will look very similar next year, maybe ray allen goes elsewhere, but they probably have the inside track on jeff green. and fab melo will be okay. sullinger could be the steal of the draft.

The realistic thing here is that Kevin Garnett cannot continue playing at a high level forever. He's already half the player he was in his prime and despite a good playoff showing I don't believe he will continue to dip into the fountain of youth for many more seasons. The Celtics, as a result, are no longer title contenders. Rajon Rondo is a great player but he cannot carry the Celtics, especially since Pierce is also on a steep decline.

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6/29/2012  1:43 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

Kevin Garnett is old and it doesn't matter how good of a teacher is because Fab Melo sucks.

KG is one of the best defensive players in the league. just trying to preach some realism here. i don't see him leaving boston. people said duncan was washed up and the spurs got the #1 seed this year. i think boston will look very similar next year, maybe ray allen goes elsewhere, but they probably have the inside track on jeff green. and fab melo will be okay. sullinger could be the steal of the draft.

The realistic thing here is that Kevin Garnett cannot continue playing at a high level forever. He's already half the player he was in his prime and despite a good playoff showing I don't believe he will continue to dip into the fountain of youth for many more seasons. The Celtics, as a result, are no longer title contenders. Rajon Rondo is a great player but he cannot carry the Celtics, especially since Pierce is also on a steep decline.

they played champs better than anyone. next season wade could go down, the celtics had a major injury to green and avery bradley. theyll have a lot of depth on their side next year. i wouldn't sell them short just yet. kg can rest a lot if sullinger and/or melo does well for them. pierce can rest more with green healthy. allen can rest more with bradley back. celtics will be good again.

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6/29/2012  1:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2012  1:51 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:I wouldn't call drafting that bust Fab Melo and the injury risk Sullinger a "fantastic draft".

i think KG will be a good teacher for them.

assuming he takes $12M from boston instead of the veteran's minimum from NY... which COULD be enticing.

Kevin Garnett is old and it doesn't matter how good of a teacher is because Fab Melo sucks.


Id be careful on taking on the celtics front office. As with the spurs, okc, miami
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6/29/2012  7:52 AM
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Steve Nash (probably the most unlikely of these names)
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Jason Terry

Andre Miller
Marcus Camby
Kenyon Martin
Carlos Delfino
Raymond Felton
Chris Kaman

Here's who I like who will probably be in our price range (including vets minimum):

Kirk Hinrich
Mickeal Pietrus
Antawn Jamison

Jason Kidd
Ian Mahinmi
Reggie Evans
Marco Belinelli
Derek Fisher
Michael Redd
Joel Pryzbilla
Anthony Parker
DeShawn Stevenson

That's how I feel about this list.
There's a few other guys I would entertain before Foye:
Courtney Lee
Danny Green
Matt Barnes
Spencer Hawes
...but that's just me

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6/29/2012  8:08 AM
I might go after Nash and a few others - but we might be better off holding our MLE until the start of the season - there always seem to be players that get released/waived during the season.
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6/29/2012  9:58 AM

The big names don't always get it done.

We need depth on the bench with some bigs also.

We won't go very far with JJ and Jorts to fill in for Amare and Tyson.

Guys get injured and we need quality backups and for a playoff run.

Not specificly but a guy like Brendan Bass would help. A young hungry guy who will get the job done.

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6/29/2012  11:23 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
How do you know any of these things? None of these are set in stone.

Looking at the free agents for this season, I decided to make a list of guys I want who are affordable and guys I want who probably wont come here.

Here's who I want but we will be in heated competition from other teams for:

Steve Nash (probably the most unlikely of these names)
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Jason Terry
Andre Miller
Marcus Camby
Kenyon Martin
Carlos Delfino
Raymond Felton
Chris Kaman

Here's who I like who will probably be in our price range (including vets minimum):

Kirk Hinrich
Mickeal Pietrus
Antawn Jamison
Jason Kidd
Ian Mahinmi
Reggie Evans
Marco Belinelli
Derek Fisher
Michael Redd
Joel Pryzbilla
Anthony Parker
DeShawn Stevenson

Guy you take a gamble on: Jeff Green

i put strike throughs on guys who will never come here or are far too expensive to take $3M a year.

Nash is gonna get $8-10M. KG is never leaving boston. ray allen is staying in boston or going to miami, my money says he stays in boston. terry is worth a hell of a lot more than $3M. kidd, camby and miller are just never coming here. they just aren't. kidd and camby hate the knicks.

the rest of your list... okay. but i like foye better than a lot of those names. and crawford.

i would puke if we signed a guy like antawn jamison

Big no to Redd who hasn't had even the resemblance of health for the last several years. Anthony Parker retired. Other than that good list; I don't know why everyone seems to think that Nash and Allen are way out of our price range.

I would take Redd he has recovered from his knee issues and showed glimpses of his old form. He has been almost two years removed from the game. Also he is an ideal type of back up that would stretch the floor. Allen is right up there too.

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6/29/2012  11:28 AM
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That's how I feel about this list.
There's a few other guys I would entertain before Foye:
Courtney Lee
Danny Green
Matt Barnes
Spencer Hawes
...but that's just me

Agree about Courtney Lee- I remember people saying he looked like he was going to be great when the Magic went on that playoff run a few years ago (his rookie year?), then they traded him, and he never really got it going again. Still, the Rockets are good evaluators of talent so if he is any good, they'll just match anything we offer (plus they probably want to keep him as he was friends with Dwight Howard I think)

Maybe add:

Gary Neal
Patty Mills

To the list. I'd be happy with Andre Miller- though he does moan when he's not a starter, and he's not a good shooter either. Still, he's played with Melo before and he's a good passer.

How many of the playoff teams will have the full MLE to offer? $3mil isn't much to snare a good player. So yeah, as someone posted earlier we can kiss goodbye to Nash, Ray Allen, Odom (about to be traded) etc.

But what is everyones priority for the MLE- a back up PG, a SG or some front court depth- we can't use it on all three.

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6/29/2012  12:46 PM
Priority #1=frontcourt depth
Priority #2=back up pg...but i still believe in td
Priority #3=SG..we hv 3already
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/29/2012  12:47 PM
I've read that the Bulls are likely to let CJ Watson walk. He'd be on my list, too.

I think right now I feel that the Knicks need a backup PG and a backup 4/5 for Amar'e/Tyson.

I'd go after:

Steve Nash (hey you have to ask, though it's doubtful)
CJ Watson
Randy Foye
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich

Jason Thompson
Kenyon Martin
Jeff Green (though I think he re-signs with Boston)

another wildcard is Dejuan Blair, who has asked out of San Antonio.

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6/29/2012  1:05 PM
Blair would be a good option if SA gets rid of him!

a good backup PG is number 1 then I would like to see a legit big man to back up 4/5 or a good shooter like Ray Allen

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6/29/2012  1:11 PM
crzymdups wrote:I've read that the Bulls are likely to let CJ Watson walk. He'd be on my list, too.

I think right now I feel that the Knicks need a backup PG and a backup 4/5 for Amar'e/Tyson.

I'd go after:

Steve Nash (hey you have to ask, though it's doubtful)
CJ Watson
Randy Foye
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich

Jason Thompson
Kenyon Martin
Jeff Green (though I think he re-signs with Boston)

another wildcard is Dejuan Blair, who has asked out of San Antonio.

Watson would be a great addition. Don't know what the Bulls plans are though.

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6/29/2012  1:14 PM
helloharv wrote:Blair would be a good option if SA gets rid of him!

I guess, but tell me what he does that Harrelson doesn't already do? Not to mention Blair is listed as 6'7", 270, Harrelson is listed as 6'10", 275...

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6/29/2012  4:43 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I've read that the Bulls are likely to let CJ Watson walk. He'd be on my list, too.

I think right now I feel that the Knicks need a backup PG and a backup 4/5 for Amar'e/Tyson.

I'd go after:

Steve Nash (hey you have to ask, though it's doubtful)
CJ Watson
Randy Foye
Jamal Crawford
Kirk Hinrich

Jason Thompson
Kenyon Martin
Jeff Green (though I think he re-signs with Boston)

another wildcard is Dejuan Blair, who has asked out of San Antonio.

Watson would be a great addition. Don't know what the Bulls plans are though.

I heard they're letting Watson, Brewer and maybe Korver walk and rebuilding their perimeter. Look for them to chase OJ Mayo and Ray Allen, among others. Maybe a Pietrus.

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6/29/2012  4:48 PM
callmened wrote:Priority #1=frontcourt depth
Priority #2=back up pg...but i still believe in td
Priority #3=SG..we hv 3already

I think the Knicks are set in the front court, Amare, Tyson, Melo, Jeffries, Jorts, Novak, Jordan,and Gadz. I believe both Jeffries and Gadz will be back
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6/29/2012  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2012  8:30 PM
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callmened wrote:Priority #1=frontcourt depth
Priority #2=back up pg...but i still believe in td
Priority #3=SG..we hv 3already

I think the Knicks are set in the front court, Amare, Tyson, Melo, Jeffries, Jorts, Novak, Jordan,and Gadz. I believe both Jeffries and Gadz will be back

I really hope Gadz is not returning, not worthy of a roster spot.
Jeffries, Jordan, and Jorts could be healthy an are all ahead of Gadz.
In fact I would like to choose between, Jordan and Jorts, while possibly dealing one to save a roster spot if we can get value.
Maybe the rights to say Justin Hamilton, with a future 2nd rounder to spice it up, if it was Jordan.
With the rights to the 2nd rounders with Chandler and our 2nd round pick, since he is "jordan like" cause I don't see him making the NBA as a good role player from the video I watched of him. Jeffries is a good glue player but he isn't a legit RB, shot blocker, and post presence. We need a player that can at least do 2 of those things.

I hope we can find a way to get the 5m MLE by saving a couple dollars with our RFA in Fields, Novak, and Lin, for the better of our team.
I think JR Smith has a really got shot of being wooed by another team with a better contract and multiple years, a reason why I really wanted DJO.

Trade TD, Fields, Jordan, cash *when we get the 3m to spend, and all our Euro rights, to cut salary, and add 2nd rights for some 2nd rounders that might not make it to their roster.
Unless Field's improve his shot a lot, I think he has to go. He is not a G, as he cannot defend any half decent guards. How many minutes can we afford to give him at SF?
I think there are better player that are undrafted that can fit our team better and save some salary/roster spots.

after bringing down roster spots and saving salary
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When I say stretch 4, I mean someone in the likes of Ilyasova, Ryan Anderson, even Nicolas Batum. Not all stars, but great role players that bring another element to go with their versatility. Either with RBs, Defense, facilitating, and have the ability to penetrate the paint with a pump fake for a PF/C to defend them, not giving them a 3point shot.

AK47 is not a great shooter, but he is long, is a great help defender, and he has high IQ/team player that would fit.
Many 4get he is one of the rare players with Lebron James, to average 5ass, 2 BL, 2 St, 5Rbs, and like 12pts.
He probably is the best option, while I would not give him the full MLE, I would give him 3m+

Beasley can be an option if Twolves let his big contract go, pairing up with Melo as our forwards.
He has the ability to shoot, rebound, and post up, same as Melo, to give us a post options, and spreading the floor.


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Starting SG, I would have loved to add Raymond Felton with 5m MLE, I do not see him being 3m or under. We need a player that can change the culture of the way we DO NOT PLAY team ball. His 3point shot is not very consistent, but he does have good DEF, could play alongside Lin, and back him up.
He gives us a leg PnR player we can use, to make players around them better. Of course I would prefer Dragic, but can't complain given our situation.

Gary Neal/Randy Foye, Neal has no fear of shooting and is very confident in his shot. While Randy Foye maybe a better defender. But these are the 2 players I would target with the rest of the MLE, probably Neal, about 2m after adding a player like AK47. Both players can play some SG and are not true PG's. They would fit in to Melo's style of play with Iso ball.
And being a shooter, could be used to spread the floor in any system. A G/F like Terrence Williams that can help facilitate with PG skills, was one of the reason's we wanted to add Lamar Odom. Odom is also a post threat, RB, and defensive player, *not much of a shooter from the way he played in Dallas*

If we do move TD, Scott Machado would be a true PG we can target that fell out of the draft.
These are the players that I think we should take a look at, if we clear enough roster spots.
Some of these guys can contribute right away and develop in to some nice rotation players.
We need players that can shoot and penetrate, in multiple positions.
With bodies that RUN, RB, play defense, and hopefully block some shots off the weakside to compliment TC.
We need 2 way players, not players that can shoot or play defense, they need them to do both.
I would like Melo to be able to post up more with shooters on the floor and another post option.
Shooters would be needed for Amare to have a lane to penetrate with, a reason why he does not work well with TC, and Melo, because he is a ball stopper.
There are still plenty of shooters, with G/Fs were left out of the draft.


Undrafted FA
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PG/G
Machado
Scoop Jardine
Tu Holloway

G/F
Hollis Robinson
Alex Young
Willam Buford

F
John Shurna
Kevin Jones
Drew Gordon

F/C
Henry Sims
Yancy Gates

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