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s3231
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6/28/2012  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2012  2:54 PM
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s3231 wrote:Note, I'm not saying it is all about loyalty...I'm saying that we can't even offer Nash that by getting rid of D'Antoni.

We never had the money to begin with so that put us at a disadvantage either way. But once the loyalty factor went against us as well....then I think that really did us in and ensures we have no legit shot at him.

D'Antoni wasn't coming back after this season but he did choose to resign. Nash wants to win and he wants to get paid. You are right in saying the Knicks can't pay him but I don't think D'Antoni's situation comes into play. I think if Nash thought he could win in NY and the KNicks could pay him he would come to NY.

Well of course he wasn't going to come back after this season....Dolan/front office made it clear to him that he wasn't going to be extended so he re-signed now instead of waiting.

I'm not saying we get Nash if D'Antoni is here...but I do think it would have kept us in the running. At that point, you don't have the $ either way but at least you can sell Nash on a variety of other factors (e.g. We have your old coach who helped you win back-to-back MVPs, we give you an opportunity to contend, etc.).

Nash has already said (per today's papers) that D'Antoni didn't get a fair shot here...why would he want to sacrifice less $ for an organization that has forced Walsh/D'Antoni out in such a short span?

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6/28/2012  3:00 PM
It seems like he is looking to push the Suns to make a S&T, not burning bridges, and keeping his options open.

1) I know Suns are much under the cap, when trading with a team over the cap, players have to match salary?

2) If 2 team trade and they are both under the cap, they don't have to match,

3) not sure if it is 3 team trade with one over the cap, when the team that is over the cap are getting Nash's contract

I don't see us being a target for Nash, he is playing his Field, wonder if Cuban is open to reuniting Nash with Dirk.
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6/28/2012  3:10 PM
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:Note, I'm not saying it is all about loyalty...I'm saying that we can't even offer Nash that by getting rid of D'Antoni.

We never had the money to begin with so that put us at a disadvantage either way. But once the loyalty factor went against us as well....then I think that really did us in and ensures we have no legit shot at him.

D'Antoni wasn't coming back after this season but he did choose to resign. Nash wants to win and he wants to get paid. You are right in saying the Knicks can't pay him but I don't think D'Antoni's situation comes into play. I think if Nash thought he could win in NY and the KNicks could pay him he would come to NY.

Well of course he wasn't going to come back after this season....Dolan/front office made it clear to him that he wasn't going to be extended so he re-signed now instead of waiting.

I'm not saying we get Nash if D'Antoni is here...but I do think it would have kept us in the running. At that point, you don't have the $ either way but at least you can sell Nash on a variety of other factors (e.g. We have your old coach who helped you win back-to-back MVPs, we give you an opportunity to contend, etc.).

Nash has already said (per today's papers) that D'Antoni didn't get a fair shot here...why would he want to sacrifice less $ for an organization that has forced Walsh/D'Antoni out in such a short span?

I missed where he said that. I only read the times Rticle where the author gave that as a reason a long with saying melo was a ball stopper. I am focused in onthe draft but would be interested in reading what Nash had to say specific to the Knicks. Could you post a link or tell me which paper to look at?

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6/28/2012  3:31 PM
Nash is a loyal guy and his staying in PHX is part of that. There isn't just loyalty to coaches, but a greater sense of loyalty to the team and fans in PHX, but in the end every player will have to do what is in his best interests. If D'Antoni was here it would've made it a nice plus, but not necessarily the main reason he came in the same way it was for STAT. Money and what his role would be have to factor in more heavily. That said it did erase any chances he might take less with how they treated MDA. It's definitely not a positive that MDA felt he had to resign due to a vote of no confidence from the owner and Melo,

We have to also accept that many players love to stick it to Dolan and the Knicks Franchise. Kidd does it all the time and it's kind of a game we play every year. Until this franchise wins and regains respect players will do this kind of thing.
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6/28/2012  3:37 PM
Has absolutely nothing to do with loyalty. If he stays in phx its for the $10mil
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6/28/2012  3:55 PM
I think Kidd is going to backup Deron in BK and Nash goes to Dallas.
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6/28/2012  7:00 PM
Nash has zero interest in dumping the ball to Melo every time he brings it up the court. Woody won't budge his offensive scheme or rather melo won't let him. So why would Nash waste his talents here? His decision has less to do with MDA and more to do with the three stooges.
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6/28/2012  7:05 PM
loweyecue wrote:Nash has zero interest in dumping the ball to Melo every time he brings it up the court. Woody won't budge his offensive scheme or rather melo won't let him. So why would Nash waste his talents here? His decision has less to do with MDA and more to do with the three stooges.

Silly assumption
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6/28/2012  7:22 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Nash has zero interest in dumping the ball to Melo every time he brings it up the court. Woody won't budge his offensive scheme or rather melo won't let him. So why would Nash waste his talents here? His decision has less to do with MDA and more to do with the three stooges.

Silly assumption

There's no assumption in there. It's based on what has already said he will do. And we already know what Melo wants.

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6/28/2012  7:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:Note, I'm not saying it is all about loyalty...I'm saying that we can't even offer Nash that by getting rid of D'Antoni.

We never had the money to begin with so that put us at a disadvantage either way. But once the loyalty factor went against us as well....then I think that really did us in and ensures we have no legit shot at him.

D'Antoni wasn't coming back after this season but he did choose to resign. Nash wants to win and he wants to get paid. You are right in saying the Knicks can't pay him but I don't think D'Antoni's situation comes into play. I think if Nash thought he could win in NY and the KNicks could pay him he would come to NY.

Well of course he wasn't going to come back after this season....Dolan/front office made it clear to him that he wasn't going to be extended so he re-signed now instead of waiting.

I'm not saying we get Nash if D'Antoni is here...but I do think it would have kept us in the running. At that point, you don't have the $ either way but at least you can sell Nash on a variety of other factors (e.g. We have your old coach who helped you win back-to-back MVPs, we give you an opportunity to contend, etc.).

Nash has already said (per today's papers) that D'Antoni didn't get a fair shot here...why would he want to sacrifice less $ for an organization that has forced Walsh/D'Antoni out in such a short span?

I missed where he said that. I only read the times Rticle where the author gave that as a reason a long with saying melo was a ball stopper. I am focused in onthe draft but would be interested in reading what Nash had to say specific to the Knicks. Could you post a link or tell me which paper to look at?

Sure, here you go:

Not having his former Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni recruiting him doesn’t help the Knicks’ cause either in their hope Nash comes for less money.
“It was a shame,’’ Nash said last night, referring to D’Antoni’s resignation in March. “He never got a great opportunity. The team was constantly in flux. Amar’e [Stoudemire] and Carmelo [Anthony] didn’t play much together and build a rapport yet. It was a shame. He didn’t get enough time with the full roster.’’

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/nash_would_talk_to_knicks_YGCHv8eoE4XzBwg6HbaoPO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Knicks

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6/28/2012  8:59 PM
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:Note, I'm not saying it is all about loyalty...I'm saying that we can't even offer Nash that by getting rid of D'Antoni.

We never had the money to begin with so that put us at a disadvantage either way. But once the loyalty factor went against us as well....then I think that really did us in and ensures we have no legit shot at him.

D'Antoni wasn't coming back after this season but he did choose to resign. Nash wants to win and he wants to get paid. You are right in saying the Knicks can't pay him but I don't think D'Antoni's situation comes into play. I think if Nash thought he could win in NY and the KNicks could pay him he would come to NY.

Well of course he wasn't going to come back after this season....Dolan/front office made it clear to him that he wasn't going to be extended so he re-signed now instead of waiting.

I'm not saying we get Nash if D'Antoni is here...but I do think it would have kept us in the running. At that point, you don't have the $ either way but at least you can sell Nash on a variety of other factors (e.g. We have your old coach who helped you win back-to-back MVPs, we give you an opportunity to contend, etc.).

Nash has already said (per today's papers) that D'Antoni didn't get a fair shot here...why would he want to sacrifice less $ for an organization that has forced Walsh/D'Antoni out in such a short span?

I missed where he said that. I only read the times Rticle where the author gave that as a reason a long with saying melo was a ball stopper. I am focused in onthe draft but would be interested in reading what Nash had to say specific to the Knicks. Could you post a link or tell me which paper to look at?

Sure, here you go:

Not having his former Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni recruiting him doesn’t help the Knicks’ cause either in their hope Nash comes for less money.
“It was a shame,’’ Nash said last night, referring to D’Antoni’s resignation in March. “He never got a great opportunity. The team was constantly in flux. Amar’e [Stoudemire] and Carmelo [Anthony] didn’t play much together and build a rapport yet. It was a shame. He didn’t get enough time with the full roster.’’

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/nash_would_talk_to_knicks_YGCHv8eoE4XzBwg6HbaoPO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Knicks

Wow!!! From this point on I pronounce Nash to be a full blown MElo and Woody Hater and a fake Knicks fan!! Take that stupid trolls.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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6/29/2012  7:27 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Don't forget Ray Allen & Jason Terry!

The guy filling in for doug bottling said last night that he thinks ray Allen will sign with the Knicks because he is close to Woodson. First time I have heard that and I hope it is true.
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6/29/2012  7:47 AM
loweyecue wrote:
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
s3231 wrote:Note, I'm not saying it is all about loyalty...I'm saying that we can't even offer Nash that by getting rid of D'Antoni.

We never had the money to begin with so that put us at a disadvantage either way. But once the loyalty factor went against us as well....then I think that really did us in and ensures we have no legit shot at him.

D'Antoni wasn't coming back after this season but he did choose to resign. Nash wants to win and he wants to get paid. You are right in saying the Knicks can't pay him but I don't think D'Antoni's situation comes into play. I think if Nash thought he could win in NY and the KNicks could pay him he would come to NY.

Well of course he wasn't going to come back after this season....Dolan/front office made it clear to him that he wasn't going to be extended so he re-signed now instead of waiting.

I'm not saying we get Nash if D'Antoni is here...but I do think it would have kept us in the running. At that point, you don't have the $ either way but at least you can sell Nash on a variety of other factors (e.g. We have your old coach who helped you win back-to-back MVPs, we give you an opportunity to contend, etc.).

Nash has already said (per today's papers) that D'Antoni didn't get a fair shot here...why would he want to sacrifice less $ for an organization that has forced Walsh/D'Antoni out in such a short span?

I missed where he said that. I only read the times Rticle where the author gave that as a reason a long with saying melo was a ball stopper. I am focused in onthe draft but would be interested in reading what Nash had to say specific to the Knicks. Could you post a link or tell me which paper to look at?

Sure, here you go:

Not having his former Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni recruiting him doesn’t help the Knicks’ cause either in their hope Nash comes for less money.
“It was a shame,’’ Nash said last night, referring to D’Antoni’s resignation in March. “He never got a great opportunity. The team was constantly in flux. Amar’e [Stoudemire] and Carmelo [Anthony] didn’t play much together and build a rapport yet. It was a shame. He didn’t get enough time with the full roster.’’

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/nash_would_talk_to_knicks_YGCHv8eoE4XzBwg6HbaoPO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Knicks

Wow!!! From this point on I pronounce Nash to be a full blown MElo and Woody Hater and a fake Knicks fan!! Take that stupid trolls.

Yeah too bad mike didn't stay. The rockets might have been able to get Howard with another lottery pick.

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6/29/2012  7:48 AM
Doug Gottlieb? What does he know...Knicks aren't that stupid
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7/1/2012  8:15 PM
The jerking around has officially begun.
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7/4/2012  11:01 PM
There are players that are total a holes and believe it or not Nash is an ultimate one. Next is Kidd know the A holes. Don't get played and don't let the media play you.
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7/4/2012  11:05 PM
I dont think he intends on playing look at it objectively. Would you rather play with kobe, dwight, gasol, grant hill or a broken down Amare. Why come east when you have miami, boston, chicago standing in your way
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7/4/2012  11:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I dont think he intends on playing look at it objectively. Would you rather play with kobe, dwight, gasol, grant hill or a broken down Amare. Why come east when you have miami, boston, chicago standing in your way

Fair enough, Nash had no intention soon as he said it about the money. Once again NYK ran with media and got worked up over a situation that wasn't happening.
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7/4/2012  11:19 PM
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I dont think he intends on playing look at it objectively. Would you rather play with kobe, dwight, gasol, grant hill or a broken down Amare. Why come east when you have miami, boston, chicago standing in your way

Fair enough, Nash had no intention soon as he said it about the money. Once again NYK ran with media and got worked up over a situation that wasn't happening.

u put it perfectly VMart

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7/4/2012  11:24 PM
Vmart wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I dont think he intends on playing look at it objectively. Would you rather play with kobe, dwight, gasol, grant hill or a broken down Amare. Why come east when you have miami, boston, chicago standing in your way

Fair enough, Nash had no intention soon as he said it about the money. Once again NYK ran with media and got worked up over a situation that wasn't happening.

I like to think of it this way: the media ran with it and you believed it.

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