callmened wrote:Kudos to knixfix for mentioning randy foye!

Hes the answer...he can shoot lights out and he has pg skills...

Im so happy someone thought of him...now can we afford him?

Randy Foye should be no cheaper than 3m, mini MLE, and up to the full MLE.

There are a lot of shooters that should be in that price range of 3m, in which Novak doesn't have that 2nd skill.
Without the ability to create his own shot, create for others, is not a good defender, and he isn't young either(with his ceiling probably maxed).
He is a tweener, a Forward, that can shoot, but cannot create his own shot, a 7th-9th rotation man.
His strength is also his weakness, he doesn't take bad shots, and is very much willing to pass the ball.
Doesn't mean he can score though, looking at what Mike Miller did in the last game of the finals.
Mike Miller is much more talented than Novak with a better all around game, but is hindered by injuries.

If you think about it, you cannot stop Heat from getting a good shooter with their min exemption, there are just too many shooters in the league.
I wouldn't be surprised if The Heat offer their 3m mini MLE to Novak, which is probably why we would lose him, because we cannot afford to pay him that amount while Miami can.
With Miller and James Jones thinking about retirement, it would be a great pick up that I would hate to see.

Terry
Danny Green
Ray Allen
Gary Neal
Billups
Foye
Delfino
Redd
Kapano
Anthony Parker

Some players on the list would only get the veterans minimum, with the LLE at 1.8 or 2m.

They still have their 1st rounder as well to improve too.
Lets not forget the amnesty as well, there surely will be players that will get amnestied this summer.

holfresh wrote:We have like 30 SG's on the roster with one up and coming star in Shumpert..Priority???...Seem any Knick games lately guys?...

List the 30 SG's.
FIelds? is not a SG. He is a back up SF
JR Smith is a SG but may opt out
Shumpert May not play in 2012-13 and even if he does he will miss half the season

Who else on this roster is going to play 48 minutes the Knicks need every night please enlighten all of us

Jmpasq wrote:

holfresh wrote:We have like 30 SG's on the roster with one up and coming star in Shumpert..Priority???...Seem any Knick games lately guys?...

List the 30 SG's.
FIelds? is not a SG. He is a back up SF
JR Smith is a SG but may opt out
Shumpert May not play in 2012-13 and even if he does he will miss half the season

Who else on this roster is going to play 48 minutes the Knicks need every night please enlighten all of us

Yes - tend to agree with you on Fields

- in an ideal world Fields is our back-up SF (hopefully he can grow into a Shane Battier type)
- I've always been a fan of OJ Mayo (think he is solid - but gets criticized because he isn't great)
- If JR opts out --- Mayo or another SG would be obvious need
- Even if JR opts in --- I'd still be thrilled to land OJ
- Good thing about both Shump and OJ -- they can both play some point in a pinch

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.

People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are going to have to trade for a solid SG.

I would love to get Marshon Brooks in a Knick uniform. Hell I'd take Anthony Morrow at this point.

OJ Mayo would be great but I don't like him off the ball much.

Vmart wrote:If SG is priority, than targets should be, Eric Gordon, Mayo, Nick Young, Courtney Lee, Allen, and Redd ( who would be on the cheap ).

Think of top shooters and realistic target. Gordon is not realistic, Mayo will also be tough.

Allen, Lee, Danny Green, Neal, and Meeks are probably the most realistic.

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.
People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Yep and if we get a Nash like PG he will have the exact same fate as MDA. Our main problem is NOT the PG position it's our star Diva and our stooge coach's offensive philosophy. Both fully supported by our idiot owner. Nash runs a movement offense and we are exact opposite of that. Yet people want to bash Lin and make excuses for MElo. Because he is an "elite" player so whatever he does must be right. New York fans are soooo overrated it's sad.

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.
People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Yep and if we get a Nash like PG he will have the exact same fate as MDA. Our main problem is NOT the PG position it's our star Diva and our stooge coach's offensive philosophy. Both fully supported by our idiot owner. Nash runs a movement offense and we are exact opposite of that. Yet people want to bash Lin and make excuses for MElo. Because he is an "elite" player so whatever he does must be right. New York fans are soooo overrated it's sad.

Yep. Not having a good PG didn't hurt us at all before Lin and in the playoffs. AndMelo is definitely horrible. I mean the guys around him shot so well when he passed them the ball! He should have just kept passing the ball!

People that call Melo a selfish player need to stop getting caught up in what people say and watch the games.

We need another PG and a reliable shooter at the 2. This is clear as day.

I said it wasn't the primary problem, I didn't say it did not hurt us. You need to jump to an absolute conclusion because your feelings about your Diva are hurt - suit yourself.

One of his teammates led the league in 3pt %age and another had the most efficient field goal percentatge in the NBA. But yeah, he should have just kept shooting the ball from within triple teams. Excellent idea.

Guys melo was in a touh situation...he carried us thru april on isos...and yes he created shots for others...pls refer to nyk vs bos game when the 3s were raining

He biggest reason the knix suffered was no pg...hopefully lin solves that

(and in the words of the late rodney king..."cant we all just get along")...its not that deep...were all knix fans here...same team!

loweyecue wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.
People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Yep and if we get a Nash like PG he will have the exact same fate as MDA. Our main problem is NOT the PG position it's our star Diva and our stooge coach's offensive philosophy. Both fully supported by our idiot owner. Nash runs a movement offense and we are exact opposite of that. Yet people want to bash Lin and make excuses for MElo. Because he is an "elite" player so whatever he does must be right. New York fans are soooo overrated it's sad.

Yep. Not having a good PG didn't hurt us at all before Lin and in the playoffs. AndMelo is definitely horrible. I mean the guys around him shot so well when he passed them the ball! He should have just kept passing the ball!

People that call Melo a selfish player need to stop getting caught up in what people say and watch the games.

We need another PG and a reliable shooter at the 2. This is clear as day.

I said it wasn't the primary problem, I didn't say it did not hurt us. You need to jump to an absolute conclusion because your feelings about your Diva are hurt - suit yourself.

One of his teammates led the league in 3pt %age and another had the most efficient field goal percentatge in the NBA. But yeah, he should have just kept shooting the ball from within triple teams. Excellent idea.

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

OasisBU wrote:If you have a SG who can knock it down consistently then people will have to honor that which would leave Novak open more and Melo would have a much easier time picking teams apart.

Exactly right.

What derailed the Knicks last season PG or SG?...If this GM comes into next season not addressing the PG position and Lin goes down again, everyone on the planet will be asking for his head and I will lead that charge...

Personally I think A proper SG is our biggest need. You can find a serviceable PG to distribute the ball but unless you have shooting, you can't win. Sure we have scorers, but we need someone who can hit the J with high % - like H20 used to.

Did the Lakers or Heat win because of their PG play? I agree we need a backup for Lin that can actually play, and I think we can find one, but our SG position is pretty weak. Fields sucks and JR is too streaky.

Disagree...We were on a Baron Davis watch last year...We were desperate for a serviceable PG and all hopes hinged on a guy with a bad back...We need a PG who can get Amare involved in the offense...If Amare isn't scoring at a decent clip behind Melo next year, we are done, shooting guard or not...Looking at these last playoffs, Asking a rookie in Lin to guide us thru meaningful playoff games is nuts, good luck...

Why be overly worried about acquiring a PG when the guy who drove your coach to leave- a coach who put more emphasis on the PG position than most coaches- has to be the focal point of your offense in order to be happy?

Do you think Anthony is going to be running around the court, cutting to the basket or coming off screens so any PG can get the ball to him?

How many times do folks have to observe and analyze his game before they realize that Anthony is the kind of player who gets into a shooting rhythm by handling the ball.
People are talking about Nash as if he would want to be part offense where he will standing around for long stretches while Anthony is going ISO.

Our perimeter shooting was pretty poor last year except for Novak, and we saw what a good perimeter defender can do against him if the rest offense is stagnant.

Fields and Shumpert (without even considering his injury) cannot be counted on for the kind of shooting you need to keep an opposition defense honest.

We need another consistent jump shooter, especially, IMO, someone who is good at coming off screens.

Yep and if we get a Nash like PG he will have the exact same fate as MDA. Our main problem is NOT the PG position it's our star Diva and our stooge coach's offensive philosophy. Both fully supported by our idiot owner. Nash runs a movement offense and we are exact opposite of that. Yet people want to bash Lin and make excuses for MElo. Because he is an "elite" player so whatever he does must be right. New York fans are soooo overrated it's sad.

Yep. Not having a good PG didn't hurt us at all before Lin and in the playoffs. AndMelo is definitely horrible. I mean the guys around him shot so well when he passed them the ball! He should have just kept passing the ball!

People that call Melo a selfish player need to stop getting caught up in what people say and watch the games.

We need another PG and a reliable shooter at the 2. This is clear as day.

I said it wasn't the primary problem, I didn't say it did not hurt us. You need to jump to an absolute conclusion because your feelings about your Diva are hurt - suit yourself.

One of his teammates led the league in 3pt %age and another had the most efficient field goal percentatge in the NBA. But yeah, he should have just kept shooting the ball from within triple teams. Excellent idea.

My feelings aren't hurt. I'm just pointing out that you're wrong. Novak is a GREAT shooter. But how often were he and Melo on the court together? And when they were in the playoffs, you really think it was Melos fault he didn't score? He couldnt get open because he and Melo were the only ones that could shoot. Defending them was easy for Miami since no one else could score.

And I love Tyson but his FG% was a product of pick and rolls and put backs. If you think Melo should've just dumped it down low to him and let him go to work, you obviously didn't watch the games because Tyson has ZERO offensive game.

You're regurgitating what the masses are saying without watching. Like many others. Biggest need is a PG to run an offense and get the ball to Melo at his spots. Next big need is to get reliable shooters on the floor. I wish they kept stats on how many passes led to wide open shots that didn't go in. Melo was a GREAT passer this year.

If you had botered reading what I originally posted you would have seen my issue with our offense was the idea that the ball should be dumed to Melo every time. We don't have an offense and Woodson refuses to design plays to get Tyson or Novak the ball in situations where they CAN be effective. That is on Woody and it stems from Melo's desire to not do anything els.