MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got ****y and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

I'm so sick of hearing Danotni wasn't the reason for losing. He was a HUGE REASON we were 18-24. Enough already. 18-24 vs 18-6.

MSG calm yoursely down lol. First of all im not a d'antoni fan i like woodson but its a little aunfair just to blame him when some players even admit to nit playing hard. See i dont hate melo and feel he gets too much hate but he did make some mistake earlier in the year

I'm a fair person and I call players on my team out when they aren't pulling for the whole team. And I know it's not always the coach. But I really believe in my heart D'Antoni was the biggest problem. Melo was playing hurt for months. He didn't know what to do on the court. MDA wasn't making it work. Of course I could be wrong but I saw that Dantoni wasn't a good coach well before Melo was a Knick. I think Melo has the ability and the selflessness to lead. I just don't know if he has the passion that LeBron, Durant, etc have.

This will be my final MDA post. Dead Horse has been beaten sufficiently.

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

We were 2 games over .500 when we traded for Melo. Results haven't been much better since the trade, but we had our best stretch in years at the end of this season. Hopefully that's closer to the team we are then the team that can't defend or move the ball properly.

That's the optimistic view. We may have been overachieving too. I certainly hope we can be that good again but what happened in the playoffs? Was it just the injuries or more? Plus we have some major off season issues that may really tie our hands next season. I hope we can get back to that level.

We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

The Cavs game ended our playoffs early to be honest. Im sorry but i still dotn get why our guys didnt play hard that game. If we won that game we would have played the pacers and despite injuries i bet we would have beaten them and at least gotten to the secodn round

Yea those losses against Ind and Cleveland killed us. Something to be learned from losses like that. They had been playing great and probably got ****y and comfortable. Didn't care who they played in the first round. Have to stay humble and play hard.

Look at Miami tonight. Didn't give OKC a chance. That shows maturity.

Ya its funny because i've brought those losses up and some people on here say they dont matter but they do matter. I mean like i was saying i know we were banged up but who knows if weon won the cavs and pacer games that we should have won then it would have changed everything. Obviously we woould have faced and beat the pacers,shump might have never hurt himself,and we would have gotten lin back for the second round. The Knicks have a habit of not showing up for easy games. Hopefully next year that ends. In regards to Melo whether its fair or not fair he needs to put this team on his back like lebron did and say" We are going to dominate"

I think the reason there is less of an uproar about one game, the cavs, is because the Knicks were 6 games under .500 before they started their 18-6 run to make the playoffs and avoid the lottery. If you look at that stretch with perspective, the KNicks avoided giving a lottery pick to the Rockets, made the playoffs for the second straight year,had the second best record during that time other than the Spurs, and Melo got player of the month, to focus on one loss when there were so many earlier in the season seems ridiculous. I believe the Knicks had clinched a playoff berth the game before the Cavs game and may have had a let down. I know Melo played badly against the Cavs,he always does but he had 39 the next night and the Knicks had a lot of injuries. The Knicks had a lot to overcome after starting the season 18-24, one loss during an 18-6 run is not why they didn't advance in the playoffs. There were a lot of bad losses to bad teams prior to 18-6. Bobcats?

i meant the whole year was full of missed oppurtunties. I i dont think d'antoni was why we lost im sorry i dont belive that. Like I said before Melo has to be fully motivated if we are gonna have a chnace. I mean yes lebron is a much much better player than melo but he was motivated from teh first game while melo even admitted he wasnt. Unfortunetly i dont see us getting past the heat for the next few years which is pretty much this teams shelf life. And even if we don we have to face OKC who will be back

D'Antonni is 10-23 without Linsanity. That is with an Amare, Tyson, Melo front court. Hard to not find some fault with that when his replacement goes 18-6 and only has Lin for 6 games.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

If we would have waited we would have had a chance to get star power with the free agency. With the team we had before we traded for Melo was playing good ball and getting some one like Williams before he went to the Nets or after like now or waiting for Howard or just learning to play better defense. OOOHHH WAIT D'ANTONI WOULD STILL BE HERE. I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF TEAM WE WOULD HAVE.

Trade Amare
that is start to end of Knicks woes

Melo can play with Amare but Amare cant play with Melo or anyone better than himself

Amare needs to be shipped

bring in L.Odom or KMart, guys whom can play a role on knickerbocker needs.

Mray20 wrote:I'm sick to my stomach Eddie Curry has a ring and Ewing doesn't , Pat Riley has won 2 rings as an executive since leaving the Knicks and 1 of them was as a coach and the Knicks haven't won a damn championship since 1973

IrishKnickFan wrote:There is no doubt that melo and amare have A LOT to prove next year. I mean there is no more excuses they have a full year to get this thing done and prove that they are legit. As a Knicks fan im pulling for them because I want a championship. Amare needs to come in much better shape,devote himself to tougher defense, and work on hus jumper which was lethal in 2010-11 but last year was gone. melo has to also come in in much betetr shape, continue improving his defense which i admit was much better last year, and most importantly he has to make his teammates more involved like lebron does

Word. THat's what needs to happen. ANd we need to resign Lin, add a couple of sick shooters (i.e., stretch 4, SG with no mental issues, backup PG, etc.)

AnubisADL wrote:Melo isn't the problem.

Melo is the only 2 way player we have.

CrushAlot wrote:I think the Knicks gave up way too much for Melo. However, trades for superstars usually work out for the team that gets the superstar. I struggle with a lot of the posts here that are anti-Melo because I am not a huge fan of Melo but he is the best player on the team and I think there is too much blame placed on him. I think if a franchise trades for a star they embrace him and play to his strengths. I think next year might be the year to judge the trade. Also, Tyson came to NY because of Melo and Amare. Stars do bring stars so I don't think that aspect of the trade and having Melo should be underrated. Melo might be the Clyde to Michael however, which puts the Knicks in a bad position with LBJ in the East.

IF

1) Melo takes a Paul Pierce role and plays hard when the ball ISNT in his hands
2) Jeremy Lin can give us 75 games next year without wearing down

The Knicks will be a top 3 seed next year.

IF

1) Melo pouts and does his normal thing when he the offense isnt run through him
2) Lin isnt a reliable starter because his over aggressive style has him hurt
3) forced to rely on backup quality PGs we play Melo ball and watch him pound the rock nightly

The Knicks will have a couple nice streaks, win about 45 games, be the 6th seed and lose in the first round to the Heat, Pacers or whoever is around

Time will tell but thats what I see.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

You know, I was making these excuses too, but now that I think about it, that just sound like these guys are WEAK. Hope they man up over the offseason and get in shape for a full 82.

I don't think these are exuses though. I'm frustrated as hell and was ready to write this team off. But look at the facts. We had ZERO depth and were injured. We lost to the Champs in 5....same as a healthy Thunder squad. Not saying we're as good as the Thunder, but a lot of things went wrong for us towards the end.

We have to stop expecting Melo to be LeBron. No one is. But can he be a Pierce or a Wade where he does everything he has to do to win? I think that's the question. He can score, he can defend and he can pass. But that desire to win and do those things has to be there 100% OF EVERY MINUTE HE'S ON THE FLOOR. I think the biggest change though has to come from Amar'e. If this duo is going to work he needs to learn to play both sides of the court in the psot. Rebound, defend, hit the J. He doesn't have to be highlight Amar'e for us to win. He is the one who needs to play smarter and better and different for the team to be a contender. We have more talent than any roster in the league except maybe for OKC. It's on Grunwald to tweak the roster and Woody to make it work to the players' strengths.

I want 2012-2013 to start tomorrow.

MSG3 wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

MSG3 wrote:We ran in to the NBA champs in the first round. And the defensive player of the year wasn't healthy until game 4, our best perimeter defender tore his ACL, we didn't have a PG and our star PF is a headcase who can't defend or sink a J anymore.

Even if we were 100% I don't know if we could've gotten past them. This year is going to tell whether we are a failure or this team can be a top 3 seed.

You know, I was making these excuses too, but now that I think about it, that just sound like these guys are WEAK. Hope they man up over the offseason and get in shape for a full 82.

I don't think these are exuses though. I'm frustrated as hell and was ready to write this team off. But look at the facts. We had ZERO depth and were injured. We lost to the Champs in 5....same as a healthy Thunder squad. Not saying we're as good as the Thunder, but a lot of things went wrong for us towards the end.

We have to stop expecting Melo to be LeBron. No one is. But can he be a Pierce or a Wade where he does everything he has to do to win? I think that's the question. He can score, he can defend and he can pass. But that desire to win and do those things has to be there 100% OF EVERY MINUTE HE'S ON THE FLOOR. I think the biggest change though has to come from Amar'e. If this duo is going to work he needs to learn to play both sides of the court in the psot. Rebound, defend, hit the J. He doesn't have to be highlight Amar'e for us to win. He is the one who needs to play smarter and better and different for the team to be a contender. We have more talent than any roster in the league except maybe for OKC. It's on Grunwald to tweak the roster and Woody to make it work to the players' strengths.

I want 2012-2013 to start tomorrow.