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ShellTopAdidas
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6/16/2012  12:07 PM
**** Phil Jackson???? No, **** Dumblin!!! He's the reason why no coach in their right mind would want to come here.
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6/16/2012  2:02 PM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:**** Phil Jackson???? No, **** Dumblin!!! He's the reason why no coach in their right mind would want to come here.

Exactly.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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6/16/2012  2:15 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
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IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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6/16/2012  2:27 PM
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...

Unfortunetly melo claims that he is in great shape and shrugged off woodson's suggestion. Im telling you right now the melo trade and the marbury trade seem pretty even right now. Why can't our team ever get elite type players
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6/16/2012  2:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  2:39 PM
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...


Knicks were not dumping the ball into melo.the short time amare & lin were out there together with tyson & shump. Melo iso started once amare & then lin went out and we were left with no competent pgs. Remember beating indy twice? Yes that came under melo anare & lin. When you have landry fields, jeffries and an erratic jr as you other scoring options dumping the ball into Melo because your best option. And it clearly was as it lead to melo averaging 30 to end the season and an 18,6 record. A stretch of winning that we havent seen since jvg's knicks
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6/16/2012  2:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  2:36 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...


Knicks were not dumping the ball into melo.the short time amare & lin were out there together with tyson & shump. Melo iso started once amare & tgen lin went out and we were left with no competent pgs. Remember beating indy twice? Yes that came under melo anare & lin. When you have landry fields, jeffries and an erratic jr as you other scoring options dumping the ball into Melo because your best ootion. And it clearly was as it lead to melo averaging 30 to end the season and an 18,6 record. A stretch winning that we havent seen since jvg's knicks
Nobody was arguing that melo didt have a great last 25 games he did. But most of season he was erratic and his attitude wasn't great by his own admission. the MDA excuse is childish the way i see it you play hard all the time and i feel melo could have made it work he just didnt wnat to. Hopefully next year he will
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6/16/2012  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  3:26 PM
I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!
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6/16/2012  3:53 PM
He is great at healing bruised EGOs and making them work, but it is only for the players, not for himself, or management/owners.

I think he wanted to come, but knew it was going to be a big project, in which he wanted full control over.
From deciding who to keep on our roster, who to target in FA, who to trade with, players to target in trades, adding the role players and no 2nd guessing by Dolan/management.
He wants that big price tag though and knows it could result in a failure to his legacy.
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6/16/2012  4:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  4:04 PM
It's mind-boggling that anyone could think James Dolan is right and Phil Jackson is wrong.
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holfresh wrote:I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!

You really don't want PJax going to Brooklyn, trust me. Its bad enough we were his whipping boys when he was in Chicago. Keep him out west.
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6/16/2012  4:23 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This is good. Melo & Amare have something to prove next year
well this past year was suppose to be the year to prove that they can work together to be honest. I wsant them to have career years and feed off eachother but it seems like a longshot
Amare wasn't right this year. I think he might have had better treatment on his back if there wasn't a lockout. Hopefully he comes into camp healthy next year and expands his game on the defensive end. He works extremely hard to be a dominant offensive player. If he could put some of that focus on defense the Knicks might have something with their pairing.
True but it wasnt just Amare melo had a bad year until teh end. I didnt like his attitude and he only changed once he was able to do isios again all game. I personally think melo is more dangerous when he can move without the ball so lin he draw defenders away and maybe make Amare more dominant

well I agree and dantoni tried to get him to play off the ball.. but no, melo wants to stand in his "sweet spot" hold his arm up, ala randy moss style and beg for the ball, while everyone watches him do the two step for 20 seconds with the ball.... when dantoni tried to change that, melo quit on him and got dantoni fired pretty much.... so although we both agree that he would be much better moving without the ball, this guy has played iso for 9 seasons.. good luck breaking that old dog of his habits..

i dont mind isos sometimes but i dont know why a guy with so much talent like melo has wants to do isos all teh time. Obviously one reason is because melo doesnt want tor un around which is why he needs to get in better shape. Even Woodson says that melo needs to get in better shape

YEA, THERE is a time and place for iso's, but that as the majority of your offense is just not a good thing, especially if you are trying to promote team play... and yes he needs to get in better shape.. You have to be in great shape if you are going to play both sides of the ball consistently...


Knicks were not dumping the ball into melo.the short time amare & lin were out there together with tyson & shump. Melo iso started once amare & then lin went out and we were left with no competent pgs. Remember beating indy twice? Yes that came under melo anare & lin. When you have landry fields, jeffries and an erratic jr as you other scoring options dumping the ball into Melo because your best option. And it clearly was as it lead to melo averaging 30 to end the season and an 18,6 record. A stretch of winning that we havent seen since jvg's knicks

That stretch with Melo playing at unsustainable levels is fools gold. There's no way he can sustain that level of shooting efficiency that he displayed during that short stretch to end the regular season. The only TRUE way for this team to win is if Melo finally accepts a TEAM concept as he was asked to have on the Olympic team and from every other coach except Woody. I'm not anti ISO, that's just silly, but you have to play ball as a team too. This is why Amare couldn't get going. You lose everyone else on the team when Melo is taking a ton of ISO's.
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6/16/2012  4:51 PM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!

You really don't want PJax going to Brooklyn, trust me. Its bad enough we were his whipping boys when he was in Chicago. Keep him out west.

Is Phil getting on the court??..Phil won't sign anywhere unless it has two top ten players ready to play for a Championship...If the Nets get two top ten players, Phil's not the guy I'm worried about....
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6/16/2012  5:17 PM
holfresh wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!

You really don't want PJax going to Brooklyn, trust me. Its bad enough we were his whipping boys when he was in Chicago. Keep him out west.

Is Phil getting on the court??..Phil won't sign anywhere unless it has two top ten players ready to play for a Championship...If the Nets get two top ten players, Phil's not the guy I'm worried about....


Phil don't even NEED 2 top players to beat Knicks!
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ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!

You really don't want PJax going to Brooklyn, trust me. Its bad enough we were his whipping boys when he was in Chicago. Keep him out west.

Is Phil getting on the court??..Phil won't sign anywhere unless it has two top ten players ready to play for a Championship...If the Nets get two top ten players, Phil's not the guy I'm worried about....


Phil don't even NEED 2 top players to beat Knicks!

I'm shaking..
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holfresh wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
holfresh wrote:I concur, PHUCK PHIL JACKSON!!!..He wants his ass kissed...Try Brooklyn!!!

You really don't want PJax going to Brooklyn, trust me. Its bad enough we were his whipping boys when he was in Chicago. Keep him out west.

Is Phil getting on the court??..Phil won't sign anywhere unless it has two top ten players ready to play for a Championship...If the Nets get two top ten players, Phil's not the guy I'm worried about....


Phil don't even NEED 2 top players to beat Knicks!

I'm shaking..


Lol!!! You right, ain't no way Jax would find a way to shut down Meloball....what was I thinking! I feel so much better now, thanks buddy!!!!!!!
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6/16/2012  8:48 PM
The Knicks haven't done much in recent years to prove that the team is not 'clumsy'.
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6/16/2012  8:57 PM
If Phil wont sign anywhere unless it has two top players then that speaks volumes about the Knicks, doesn't it?
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6/16/2012  10:21 PM
Honestly, I don't think Phil Jackson is playing hard to get. I believe he really doesn't want to coach Knicks. It's not like he needs more rings or more money. He's already rich and retired. And when you are in his position, you can say what you want and not give a damn.
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6/16/2012  10:36 PM
Phil not coming here has nothing to do with Melo and Amare. Phil has been rumored to want the Knick coaching job way before Amare and Melo put on Knick Uni's and Phil has done nothing but balk at any interest may have had and turned us down. Phil wants teams that right on the cusp of winning the big one, its that simple.
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