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6/15/2012  1:49 PM
As big of Knicks fan as i am its hard to disagree with the OP. Our only hope is that we could win the birds rights case and hopefully next year we get lcuky and we are healthy for most of the year so we could get in the top 3 seeds. Look Im not a Melo fan but you cant blame him. I mean lebron is better but he also plays with wade and bosh. Durant is better as well but he plays we westbrooke and harden. I actually think we can beat any team in the east except the heat. I also think if we could beat the heat we actually have a good chance against OKC. The heat gives us more trouble than any other team in the NBA
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6/15/2012  1:51 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was
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6/15/2012  1:59 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

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6/15/2012  2:06 PM
If you remember lin lost out on a ton of assists last year passing the ball to jeffries, fields, injured tyson, injured amare & injured melo. Do the math
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6/15/2012  2:43 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

Thats pretty much what he was averaging this year. There are still a few people who keep saying small sample size and crap like that. here is a kid who was obviously overlooked and got no time his rookie year. this year he finally got some starts and put up great stats. He also had to go through a coaching change,injuries,and trying to help fit guys in. I'd say he did a great job and will be even better. Its really up to Amare and melo to finally have success in the playoffs if we are going to go far
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6/15/2012  3:34 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

Thats pretty much what he was averaging this year. There are still a few people who keep saying small sample size and crap like that. here is a kid who was obviously overlooked and got no time his rookie year. this year he finally got some starts and put up great stats. He also had to go through a coaching change,injuries,and trying to help fit guys in. I'd say he did a great job and will be even better. Its really up to Amare and melo to finally have success in the playoffs if we are going to go far

Let's be realistic with Lin. He only hit double digit assists 7 times the entire year, and that included the Linsanity stretch. In this case it really is small sample size, he only made it through 35 games. I'll even settle with 7 assists a game as long as he's not turning the ball over.

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6/15/2012  3:41 PM
Exactly since when does only averaging double digit assists make you a good pg? Marbury averaged 8-9assists a game. Why? Because he had the ball in his hands for 45mins a game. Theres more to it than the numbers. Lin was asked to carry the team offensively and did an amazing job. When asked to be more of a facilitator he averaged 15 & 7 and got the team to 6-1. I know small sample size and all. We will see next year with a FULL training camp, excellent new coach and healthy roster hopefully aided by signing key role players. Shooter, backup pgs, odom etc
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6/15/2012  3:48 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

Thats pretty much what he was averaging this year. There are still a few people who keep saying small sample size and crap like that. here is a kid who was obviously overlooked and got no time his rookie year. this year he finally got some starts and put up great stats. He also had to go through a coaching change,injuries,and trying to help fit guys in. I'd say he did a great job and will be even better. Its really up to Amare and melo to finally have success in the playoffs if we are going to go far

Let's be realistic with Lin. He only hit double digit assists 7 times the entire year, and that included the Linsanity stretch. In this case it really is small sample size, he only made it through 35 games. I'll even settle with 7 assists a game as long as he's not turning the ball over.

well lets be fair without lin we dont get near the playoffs. Im not saying he doesnt need work he does but he is young so this summer he will get his game more polished. Obviously we missed him bigtime in the playoffs so tahts not the issue. The big issue is that the guys that are making a ton of money on our team have to produce more consistently
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6/15/2012  4:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly since when does only averaging double digit assists make you a good pg? Marbury averaged 8-9assists a game. Why? Because he had the ball in his hands for 45mins a game. Theres more to it than the numbers. Lin was asked to carry the team offensively and did an amazing job. When asked to be more of a facilitator he averaged 15 & 7 and got the team to 6-1. I know small sample size and all. We will see next year with a FULL training camp, excellent new coach and healthy roster hopefully aided by signing key role players. Shooter, backup pgs, odom etc

I think we're both in agreement in saying we'd take 15 and 7 in heartbeat next year from Lin. That would mean he'd facilitate enough for our scorers, as well as be our 3rd scoring option on a nightly basis. I only mention the double digit assist number, because Rondo and Nash is the ceiling that Lin should strive to reach for us to be elite in the next few years. The Knicks success is not all on him, it's obviously on Melo, but he can be a Rondo type PG if he wanted to.

Rajon Rondo
Season Age AST
2006-07 20 3.8
2007-08 21 5.1
2008-09 22 8.2
2009-10 23 9.8
2010-11 24 11.2
2011-12 25 11.7

Obviously Rondo started much younger in the league, but if we somewhat follow the Boston blueprint with established veterans with a dynamic point guard, there's no reason he can't eventually average double digit assists in his career.

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6/15/2012  4:04 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Exactly since when does only averaging double digit assists make you a good pg? Marbury averaged 8-9assists a game. Why? Because he had the ball in his hands for 45mins a game. Theres more to it than the numbers. Lin was asked to carry the team offensively and did an amazing job. When asked to be more of a facilitator he averaged 15 & 7 and got the team to 6-1. I know small sample size and all. We will see next year with a FULL training camp, excellent new coach and healthy roster hopefully aided by signing key role players. Shooter, backup pgs, odom etc

I think we're both in agreement in saying we'd take 15 and 7 in heartbeat next year from Lin. That would mean he'd facilitate enough for our scorers, as well as be our 3rd scoring option on a nightly basis. I only mention the double digit assist number, because Rondo and Nash is the ceiling that Lin should strive to reach for us to be elite in the next few years. The Knicks success is not all on him, it's obviously on Melo, but he can be a Rondo type PG if he wanted to.

Rajon Rondo
Season Age AST
2006-07 20 3.8
2007-08 21 5.1
2008-09 22 8.2
2009-10 23 9.8
2010-11 24 11.2
2011-12 25 11.7

Obviously Rondo started much younger in the league, but if we somewhat follow the Boston blueprint with established veterans with a dynamic point guard, there's no reason he can't eventually average double digit assists in his career.

Agreed but Rondo has just started to be an elite pg the last couple of years. early on rondo was good but he wasnt as good as he is now. Lin is only like 23 so i expect him to be even betetr after a full training camp
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6/15/2012  6:15 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

Thats pretty much what he was averaging this year. There are still a few people who keep saying small sample size and crap like that. here is a kid who was obviously overlooked and got no time his rookie year. this year he finally got some starts and put up great stats. He also had to go through a coaching change,injuries,and trying to help fit guys in. I'd say he did a great job and will be even better. Its really up to Amare and melo to finally have success in the playoffs if we are going to go far
I think Lin is the real deal but I do think teams will scout him and make adjustments. I also get frustrated with some of the over the top Lin guys that are critical of the Woodson hiring when the guy went 18-6 (1 games less than Lin's tenure as starter). Jerry Sloan isn't coaching in Charlotte and there are no Phil rumors other than the one where the Knicks did reach out to Phil to gauge his interest.
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6/16/2012  7:51 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Amare could average a double figure rebounds, play decent D, and hit that midrange J, then yes the Knicks have a chance with Melo.

Most important piece is guards that work with Melo AND Amare. I think about Paul Pierce. Career wise he is around 45%, but had some of his best % years in the last 5 seasons, despite his age. Why? Rajon Rondo. Melo and Pierce have similar games, and what the Knicks need more than most other NBA teams is guard-play that is unselfish, unpredictable, smart, and creative. Lin is only one piece to that puzzle, we need at least one more smart, crafty guard to open up the floor and find the open Melo/Amare/cutting Chandler, etc, but mostly for Melo.

I think Lin could be the Knicks poor man's Rondo. Rondo was absolutely horrendous his first couple seasons, even when they won a Championship. He deferred alot to the Big 3 and got it to their sweet spots. Eventually he grew into a leader and became the best player on Boston, becoming so great he was able to mask the Big 3's age and deficiencies. If Lin can take a step back from his scoring mentality and get others involved more, then the Knicks can be dangerous. If not, we'll need another crafty veteran PG to do this.

I agree with you mostly except the part about lin being too much offensive minded. Lin is one of the least selfish players around. Lin looks to dish more than score. However when lin had to be the guy scoring he was

Until he averages close to 10 or 11 assists a game like Rondo, can't realy say that yet with his small sample size. I'll gladly take 8 or 9 assists a game from Lin next year, that would easily put the Knicks in contention.

Thats pretty much what he was averaging this year. There are still a few people who keep saying small sample size and crap like that. here is a kid who was obviously overlooked and got no time his rookie year. this year he finally got some starts and put up great stats. He also had to go through a coaching change,injuries,and trying to help fit guys in. I'd say he did a great job and will be even better. Its really up to Amare and melo to finally have success in the playoffs if we are going to go far
I think Lin is the real deal but I do think teams will scout him and make adjustments. I also get frustrated with some of the over the top Lin guys that are critical of the Woodson hiring when the guy went 18-6 (1 games less than Lin's tenure as starter). Jerry Sloan isn't coaching in Charlotte and there are no Phil rumors other than the one where the Knicks did reach out to Phil to gauge his interest.

Teams already scouted Lin and made adjustments and he still did well! Lin like any young player will likely get better and another full season should do him wonders. What will also help Lin is having more actual shooters, so hopefully we can add another dependable shooter, like maybe Ray Allen.

As for Woody's 18-6 let's also not get overly geeked by that cuz it's also a very brief period of time where he got the usual coaching change boost and then a super hot Melo to close the season and I doubt that he'll get such a boost over the course of 82 games. Woody has a LOT of work to do. He has to figure out a legit offensive scheme that will benefit everyone on the team and not just Melo. I'm hoping and praying that he develops something that will incorporate everyone and get the team to be a heck of a lot more efficient. The ISO game worked better in ATL, cuz they have a lot of ISO players, whereas we have guys that need to play in a team concept in order to get off.

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6/16/2012  8:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  8:48 PM
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RonRon wrote:Exactly why I am trying to come up with trades and acquire more skilled players.

the saddest part is Westbrook >>> Melo

With Westbrook he is an athletic freak that is much more explosive, can handle the ball, penetrate, and play lock down defense for 2 positions.

Westbrook tried to take over in the beginning of the game, with his horrible play, and the Heat just came out too strong, they were down 2-20 or something like that.
Instead of trying to get the ball to Durant in good spots and set him his team, he chooses to force penetration when the help defender is there, and take contested jumpers without offensive rebounding position.

I have never seen once seen Scott Brooks ever put Westbrook in his place and hold him accountable.
He makes poor decisions and poor shot selection, he isn't a true PG that is good in terms of facilitating.
In fact, Westbrook gets rewarded for consistently taking bad shots, by making it some of the times, getting high fives for it, and hears the crowd cheering.
I don't mind him taking a bad shot every now and then, just to keep the defense honest and try to make the defense come out to spread the floor.
But I do not want him consistently taking it, thinking its a shot he could consistently make.

Problem is, he doesn't see what we see, he see's it as a shot he should have made, not a shot that he shouldn't be taking.
This style of play, is something that must be correctly early, he will turn in to a Melo if this continues, and it just isn't efficient.
This is exactly what happened to Melo, for him to become the player he is today.

He is lucky enough to have Durant, Harden, and a nice cast around him with the abilities to score and play D.
I thought being down 2-0 versus the Spurs, was a good rude awakening.
OKC and Westbrook learned the importance of getting their role players involved and moving the basketball like what SA does.


Harden even if he doesn't pass the ball, he utilizes everyone on the court as an option, once in awhile he will pass it out.
His handle is much better than Westbrook's and he often plays the PG when the game is on the line in the closing games when they are all in.
He has a connection with Nick Collison, knowing Collison is very under rated and has the ability to score.
However, he loses some of his aggressiveness when Durant and Westbrook are both in.
He know's Durant deserves the ball over him as the leagues leading scorer again....
But with I think he know's he deserves the ball over Westbrook.

While Tony Parker has a phenomenal year and Poppavich gave him a mouthful for one play vs OKC.
In fact he went off on Parker though out his career on many occasions.
He also went off on Stephen Jackson and Ginobili.
It is called "coaching"
These guys are all grown men, that are all stars, they just take it from him, if that was Melo, he would try to get him fired with a whole plan.

Westbrook is a prima donna, he went from being a role player in college, and developed in to an amazing player in 1-2 years in the pros.
He was horrible his first year, considering what he does now. He was picked that high because of his ceiling, his athleticism, reach, strength, and size.
I know he is very competitive and worked very hard to become the player he is today.
But he turned in to an ALL STAR too fast and it really affected him in a negative way.

When he takes his horrible shot selection and makes it, it is fools gold.
I thought after getting his max contract, he would stop playing this way, focusing more on defensive as a lock down defender.
He never had a good/great PG to mentor him, maybe getting a player like Kidd/Nash, would really help his development/understanding of the NBA game.
I know OKC, when playing from behind, their "big 3" doesn't trust their team mates as much, lacking ball movement.

Westbrook has to understand HE IS NOT in the same category as Durant.
In fact, he also IS NOT, in the same category as Harden.
His #1 job is to play lock down defense and getting his team involved by setting them up.
Durant has the ability to take over games, take bad shots, and is the #1 alpha dog.
It is like he is trying to always prove he is an All Star, like OKC is his team, similar to Lebron/Wade on the Heat, his own version of Wade.
However, unlike Miami Heat, OKC has tremondous talent around them.
I hope Westbrook gets cured from his, CASS disease, Carmelo Anthony STATWhore Syndrome.

RONRON! I think 95% of us don't read your posts because they are TOO DAMN LONG! It's gotten to the point where I know it's you, I know it says something about OKC, and I skip it. But you have so much insight. Brevity bro. Brevity. It's your knew best friend.

Thank You and I appreciate your honesty for reading my long posts.
I hope us Knick fan's will have the opportunity to watch them win in our lifetime.
At the very least, be able to become legit contenders like we were on the 94 Knicks era.
The 1999 run was exciting, we played great and came together towards the end of the season and in the playoffs.
But we were playoff contenders, not championship contending material with a aged/injured Ewing.

I don't want to point the finger at 1 person but I would like to fix these Knicks and put them in the right path, especially with, "CASS" aka Carmelo Anthony Statwhore Syndrome
It is way beyond one player, we need an identity, and the players capable of executing a philosophy with TEAM basketball.
1v1 play can only take us so far, because on talent we are far behind from many teams and they have abilities to continue to improve, while we are very limited.

BTW, what was the 5% you disagree with?
All good, we are all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions....

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6/16/2012  9:20 PM
It's not so much that you CAN'T win with Melo as it is that it's going to take some work to find a balance in how we play. Look one good thing is that this team found defense last year!!! That is a HUGE improvement. That is what will insure a better record and a better playoff seed. From there you're always in the running. So it falls on Grunwald to fix the holes. Woody to fix the offense. Melo and his teammates to buy in and come together as a team. I just don't believe it's as bleak or dire as some paint it. Do I like Melo's attitude towards team ball, no! Still he's not really the only issue and if this team can fix the holes in the roster and develop the young players as OKC did, then you have a really good team going forward.

Lin, Shump, Jorts, Landry, Jordan and even TD have to improve. If JR returns he also has to improve. STAT and Tyson have to come back with a little more game and it's very doable. If Tyson and STAT can add a little bit more post game that would help a lot. These are a lot of "ifs", but that's just the facts of what this team needs to do. Other teams have managed to do it and that's what they need to do. The good thing is that I believe this team is already better than Philly and Indy. I think the Knicks can be the #2 seed next year.

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