loweyecue wrote:When you think of the Knicks offensive impotence under Woody, MUHAHA is what usually comes to mind. Great chart by the way. It shows what I have been saying since Woodson took over. We will completely ignore more efficient scoring options in favor of dumping the ball to Melo. Now people like Holfresh think this is the way to go. Then after losing games the excuse is " Melo can't do it alone". - you can't beat that combination.

Between Tyson, Novak, Amare and Lin we have very efficient scoring options and yet our wooden headed coach will use all of those combined less times than ISO plays for Melo. But he is 18-6 so there!!!!!!

muhaha wrote:

The chart identifies every offensive outcome for the Knicks that had occurred at least 100 times this season. This offensive outcome means both possession type and the specific player who ultimately used that possession.

This chart left out transition possessions and offensive rebounds, who’s frequency may have more to do with opportunity than deliberate design.

The radar graph shows two different pieces of information for each outcome – the points per possession that outcome netted the Knicks on average, and the total number of times it occurred this season. The orange line represents the points per possession, the blue represents the number of occurrences. (Each vertical segment of the graph represents 100 occurrences)

This chart is great for scouts, who can identify individual player's offensive ability, very much like the batting average for MLB.

It also gives a great overlook for a coach and identifies a team weaknesses and strengths.

First Lets look at Points Per 100 Possessions around the league:
http://hoopdata.com/teamoffstats.aspx

1. Spurs: 108.5
2. OKC: 107.1
3. Den: 106.5
17. Knicks: 101.4
29. Was: 95.6
30. CHA: 92.3

Knicks isolation PP100P
Melo: about 95
JR: less than 90
Stat: less than 80

Our most efficient isolation, and highest number of possessions, was with Melo (more than 500 times), and its efficiency only surpassed one team in the league: Bobcats.

Not only that, Melo isolation efficiency is not even ranked in the top 15 isolations in the league! Because Harden is a great 3P shooter, he had the highest isolation efficiency at > 1.10 ppp (better than Spurs).

Melo spot-up, Melo post-up, Melo PnR ball handler all have higher efficiency than Melo isolation. He is Knicks' best PnR ball handler--better than Lin! That said a lot about Melo as a passer!

Another interesting fact. Knicks had two of the top three most efficiency outcomes in the league:
1. Bynum cut
2. Tyson cut
3. Novak spot-up!
This shouldn’t come surprised at all if you remember Tyson topped FG% and Novak topped 3P% in the league.

Here are the rest of Offensive Graphs for the rest of NBA teams:
http://www.hickory-high.com/?p=4403

Find a player/team you are interested and see how affective they are at their offense!

loweyecue wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Wins are the bottom line. So yes 18-6 is 'so there' for better or worse. What was the breakdown of MDA and Woody this year under offensive efficiency anyway? I doubt MDA was alot better if he was even better. I don't remeber the Knicks being very good on the O this season but they struggled especially under MDA. Woody is no hall of fame coach for sure. He has his weaknesses but it's like upgrading from a Dodge Neon to BMW 3 series compared to MDA.

loweyecue wrote:When you think of the Knicks offensive impotence under Woody, MUHAHA is what usually comes to mind. Great chart by the way. It shows what I have been saying since Woodson took over. We will completely ignore more efficient scoring options in favor of dumping the ball to Melo. Now people like Holfresh think this is the way to go. Then after losing games the excuse is " Melo can't do it alone". - you can't beat that combination.

Between Tyson, Novak, Amare and Lin we have very efficient scoring options and yet our wooden headed coach will use all of those combined less times than ISO plays for Melo. But he is 18-6 so there!!!!!!

As usual you need to bring up MDA. Still cherry picking data to make your points eh? Old habits die hard.

callmened wrote:i agree with what muahaha said (btw how do u reply to a replyer..theres like a box within a box)

Click on the "Quote" button in the upper right corner on the post you want to quote.

the problem with MDA was never his offense...hes a genius on THAT end...i just hated the lack of defense

im a big fan of ball movement BUT also a fan of getting it to your star players...i dont think it should be a "democracy"...the key is getting the ball to star players after motion has been created...tyson shouldnt touch the ball unless its for a dunk...earlier in the yr (when MDA realized that TD wasnt a pg), the knix were running the ol' wisconsin swing play...(its hard to explain - google it) but it involved swinging the ball over the top and then finding a low post player on the diaganoal cut...fields and tyson feasted on this play...and this is how he got melo to iso...the problem is its 2 predictable and teams carved it up ...but thats a good example of having a motion offense that ENDS with the ball in your star player at the low blocks

The intangibles: Melo drew lots of fouls on his ISO plays;
Melo averaged 6.3 reb/game and they don't consider rebounds or points scored from rebounds. Or transition baskets scored off of rebounds. Plus Melo had 1.1 steals/game. Any transition baskets scored off of a steal are not counted either.

I like Melo. Glad he is on our team. The coach has to be more creative to use Melo's other skills more, like his ability to pass out of the double-team and hit the open man; pnr, etc. When double-teamed, Melo sets up someone else to be open for an uncontested shot.

nykshaknbake wrote:The Tyson Chandler cut isn't going to be a staple either because it's almost a play of opporotunity. When it's not there it get passed out.

When plays dissolve for a number of reasons the ball is passed out, play started over, or creativity ensues. But you can't deny that Chandler led the NBA in FG% and that was the highest FG% in many years. That says something about the effectiveness of using Chandler on pick and rolls and alleys.

If you want to keep rooting for the Knicks, I suggest lower expectations or better yet no expectations at all.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

loweyecue wrote:no expectations at all.

Everyone would be better off. Just let them play it out.