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Nalod
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5/22/2012  1:14 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Yes Phil Jackson is great we get it just look at the lakers now with virtually the same team they won their last championship with. But I think it is pretty clear Phil does not want to coach thos roster. Woodson couldve got an extension off of 18-6 before the playoffs even started if the Knicks werent feeling out phil

I think he does want to come over, he is just playing "hard to get, like a high school girl" so he can create a bigger market/advantage for his services.
Lets be honest, if Dolan gave 6m a year to Dantoni, Zen will be in the range of 8-12m.
And who cannot use 8-12 M for 2-3 years?

You think? Based on what?

Dolan Signed MDA to 4 years at 6mil per.

Phil last was @ 12 mil per.

My guess is he gets Woodson for 3 years at 3 mil per.
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5/22/2012  2:07 PM
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Vmart wrote:This is another mistake in the long line of mistakes made by the Knicks to not interview others is a huge mistake. This is not a championship move. Once again puzzle is left incomplete. What good is getting pieces if you are not planning on finishing the puzzle to a championship.

Gonna need a offensive coordinator.

why do you say this?

Because the Knicks lost horribly to Miami? One of the better defensive teams especially on the perimeter? And with the Knicks realistically without any PGs? And down several key cogs?

Is that your criteria?


Co-sign.

The team looked great coming down the stretch. He earned another season.

Really wanted the Knicks to go after Phil, but other than him, I have no problem with Woodson getting extended. He did a wonderful job with this team down the stretch. As horrid as we looked for most of this season, I dont think anyone would have predicted we would finish 18-6!! Woodson was overwhelemed against a Healthy Heat team while his team was without its starting backcourt and Stat for a game. Woodson earned it.
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5/22/2012  2:42 PM
Knicks could do worse. I actually like Woodson.
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5/22/2012  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  3:25 PM
Woodson is a great choice..I really don't understand people judging his offense based on last playoff performance...We were a depleted roster...MDA had to run ISO as well last year against Boston featuring Melo...What's the difference there...I saw a few additional wrinkles added to the offense during the playoffs...For me, Woodson took an Atlanta team as far as they can go...You really can't say they were a Eastern Conference Finals team...He did a great job given the circumstances...He is a great fit for this roster...We think the Knicks could be an Eastern Conference Finals caliber team, I think Woodson can get us there...
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5/22/2012  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  2:53 PM
Thank god! I was worried some other team would snap him up! Woodson is ours! All ours! Bwa ha ha ha hahahah!
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5/22/2012  3:32 PM
holfresh wrote:Woodson is a great choice..I really don't understand people judging his offense based on last playoff performance...We were a depleted roster...MDA had to run ISO as well last year against Boston featuring Melo...What's the difference there...I saw a few addition wrinkles added to the offense during the playoffs...For me, Woodson took an Atlanta team as far as they can go...You really can't say they were a Eastern Conference Finals team...He did a great job given the circumstances...He is a great fit for this roster...We think the Knicks could be an Eastern Conference Finals caliber team, I think Woodson can get us there...

Ah Ryan Lumberg???

I agree, you look at the Hawks teams he had and all he every had were a bunch of forwards, his best players were all forwards. MW got a old bibby and some combo guards then took them as far as they were going to go.

So you could say "he didn't have a point guard, Coach needs his point guard".

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5/22/2012  3:46 PM
I think it's ridiculous that you don't even consider/interview other options.
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5/22/2012  3:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  3:55 PM
Anji wrote:
holfresh wrote:Woodson is a great choice..I really don't understand people judging his offense based on last playoff performance...We were a depleted roster...MDA had to run ISO as well last year against Boston featuring Melo...What's the difference there...I saw a few addition wrinkles added to the offense during the playoffs...For me, Woodson took an Atlanta team as far as they can go...You really can't say they were a Eastern Conference Finals team...He did a great job given the circumstances...He is a great fit for this roster...We think the Knicks could be an Eastern Conference Finals caliber team, I think Woodson can get us there...

Ah Ryan Lumberg???

I agree, you look at the Hawks teams he had and all he every had were a bunch of forwards, his best players were all forwards. MW got a old bibby and some combo guards then took them as far as they were going to go.

So you could say "he didn't have a point guard, Coach needs his point guard".

Yeah..Just heard him and SAS...But I've been saying that for a while too and it's true...Are the Hawks a Championship team? No...Most good coaches take their teams where they should go...The better ones take them further like Doc and Pov, Phil...
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5/22/2012  4:32 PM
I don't consider Doc and elite coach.

Not a bad coach by any means, just not up there.

the three vets he had were really self coached to some degree.

I hate them but they deserve respect.

Just not ready to put Doc in the same sentance asa Pop and Phil.
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5/22/2012  4:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  4:50 PM
Doc is not with Phil and Pop...But he is close...Great in game coach...Can't take away what he has done for that team...No team is on cruise control, just ask Miami...Doc is one of the NBA's best tho...Only Pop is better right now...Everyone thought Boston was done two years ago...Doc would be great here with this group..
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5/22/2012  6:38 PM
ATrain wrote:I think it's ridiculous that you don't even consider/interview other options.

All this means is he was hired last summer to be the coach this year.

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5/22/2012  6:56 PM
Sign him. Stabilize this team.
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5/22/2012  7:11 PM
martin wrote:
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Solace wrote:I think it's too early for a Woodson extension past 1 year extra. I don't think it was earned. I know we were injured, but we didn't get beat in the playoffs; we got annihilated. IMHO, if we lose in the first round again, I don't think Woodson should be here past that.

aren't you saying that any new coach for the Knicks shouldn't get more than a 1 year deal because it wasn't "earned"?

Beside Phil who brings rings, who has "earned" the job?

Someone with a proven track record of success. Phil Jackson makes sense, but we didn't even reach out to him. Personally, I think Stan Van Gundy is a hell of a better candidate than Mike Woodson. Woodson already failed once in the playoffs - he did not have this team prepared for the series; that's on the coach. His substitutions are sometimes strange. This will be his second shot. If he fails again, I don't want him here to start a third season. That's all I'm saying. Our window is very small, IMHO, and I don't want to blow it if it's not going to get us anywhere. If we make the second round and put up a decent showing, fine, let's keep him. But losing in 5 games in the playoffs where we basically get pwned in the four losses, that has to be on the coach. It's not like we lost four close games.

you just offered up a coach with the name Van Gundy in it?

I think you can do better, this time without the obvious comedy in your first attempt. Try again?

Sorry, but why is Stan Van Gundy not a valid candidate? He has the sixth highest winning percentage of any coach in NBA history. If we can't get Phil Jackson, that's a great pick, better than Woodson for sure. For that matter, why not Jeff Van Gundy? How about Jerry Sloan? Woodson should not have been the #1 option right now.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/22/2012  7:14 PM
Because Dolan had a falling out with Stans brother when he bolted for Houston.
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5/22/2012  7:18 PM
Anji wrote:Because Dolan had a falling out with Stans brother when he bolted for Houston.

So, that means Stan is definitely not a possibility? This was a long time ago.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/22/2012  7:27 PM
I like Stan but he is not a Dolan type of guy - speaks his mind - which Dolan hates
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5/22/2012  8:16 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:I like Stan but he is not a Dolan type of guy - speaks his mind - which Dolan hates

Jeff will coach the Knicks again before Stan does...It wasnt too long ago Stan made some negative comments ago Dolan and MSG..Think it had something to do with honoring Ewing and JVG wasn't asked to be involved..But Stan took the opportunity to shoot his mouth off...So he will never get an invite from Dolan..
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5/22/2012  8:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:I like Stan but he is not a Dolan type of guy - speaks his mind - which Dolan hates

Jeff will coach the Knicks again before Stan does...It wasnt too long ago Stan made some negative comments ago Dolan and MSG..Think it had something to do with honoring Ewing and JVG wasn't asked to be involved..But Stan took the opportunity to shoot his mouth off...So he will never get an invite from Dolan..


ooooh thats right! I forgot about that.
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5/22/2012  9:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  10:08 PM
well atleast we'll be a good regular season team, but yet another 1st or 2nd round sweep..
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5/22/2012  9:31 PM
This team has 3 years to win a championship as currently constructed. There is no long-term future with this team. Phil Jackson is the right coach for this team. Jerry Sloan is also the right coach for this team. James Dolan doesn't want any of them because he doesn't anyone to challenge him and his ****ty media policy. Woodson being an Isiah ally doesn't hurt either but isn't the main selling point. The main selling point is Woodson being a yes man. If Woodson had finished with a .500 record in the regular season and snuck into the playoffs as the 8th seed only to be swept (with injuries) he still would have been re-signed. This is not results-oriented. It never has been for Dolan. This is "who can I control more" and Woodson/Grunwald is the perfect combo of coach/GM that will never rock the boat and call out anyone in public. Dolan is an owner who puts winning on the backburner in favor or things that aren't important in the grand scheme of sports. Dolan is the team's biggest burden and I hope I am alive to see his reign of terror end so we can finally form of real culture of winning in New York.
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