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TymeLessKnicks
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5/22/2012  5:12 PM
I can't wait until 2015, no more Melo.

Good to see MDA is in good spirits. I wish him the best.

Every coach has his faults but this ball club's history precedes itself.

Had enough Melo?
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5/22/2012  5:24 PM
Amar'e Stoudemire and Boris Diaw are not post up players.

Nice try.

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5/22/2012  5:36 PM
Nalod wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Nalod wrote:
We weren’t going anywhere and I was the coach.’’

The guy is not Pop. Pop adapts and MDA coach's to what he knows.

MDA did the right thing. If you can't get your players to play the way you want its over.

Melo is not a ball movmeent kind of player. He plays to his strength.

Is that wrong? Nope. Its what the boss (dolan) wanted. Its what Melo does best.

This is our team going forward.

I hope MDA lands somewhere and gets to put his motion offense in play and he succeeds with it. Just as long his interests don't conflict with ours. I was a fan of PHX when he was there. Im digging the Spurs run and hope they go all the way.

exactly. Good coaches alter their approach to fit the players they have. Instead MD was trying to fit round pegs into triangular holes. He needs to go back overseas because the odds of him finding a squad that fits "his" coaching philosophy is unlikely. Lightning rarely strikes the same person twice as it did when he lucked out by getting Nash.

Yes, Good coaches adapt. Pop is a top talent and one of the few who has adapted.

He has a near trio of hall of fame players who were willing and able.

when you have the assets you can do this. MDA Did not.

While good coach's adapt, great ones really don't.

Riles claim to glory was a ready made team in the lakes and he took over showtime. that was not his to create so he is out of the arguement.

I look at Phil Jax and Red Auerbach. They were not good coaches. They were great. They did not adapt. They got the players to play in their system.

Larry Brown is a HOF coach and he does things his way.

MDA is not there of course but he might aspire to be. Can't fault a guy for trying. He tried and did not succeed. He had basically a new team every year.

Pop has a core of players who know and trust each other. They have a penetrating point and a big who is a very good passer. Popovitch has yet to win a championship with this newer ball movement system. It looks good. If he succeeds he will move into some rare company in 5 wins and with different looks.

YOu can adapt when you have the willing assets.

And it was time for MDA to leave.

Maybe one day he can succeed somewhere else.

+1 Thank you!!!!! MDA was set up to fail. He shouldn't have had to adapt. Dolan should've gave MDA the players he wanted and that could run his system. I mean why hire MDA in the first place If u don't trust him to coach your team? Waist...smh!

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5/22/2012  7:06 PM
my soul pines for him everyday since he quit/resigned/canned/fired
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5/22/2012  7:13 PM
When MDA winds up as the coach of the Orlando Magic, you guys are going to see what he's capable of... assuming, Dwight stays in Orlando, which is not a given.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/22/2012  7:19 PM
Solace wrote:When MDA winds up as the coach of the Orlando Magic, you guys are going to see what he's capable of... assuming, Dwight stays in Orlando, which is not a given.

If Dwight stays then MDA certainly won't be the coach

But the theatrics that it would create if this were to happen would be very appealing to me

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5/22/2012  7:21 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Solace wrote:When MDA winds up as the coach of the Orlando Magic, you guys are going to see what he's capable of... assuming, Dwight stays in Orlando, which is not a given.

If Dwight stays then MDA certainly won't be the coach

But the theatrics that it would create if this were to happen would be very appealing to me

Why? MDA is probably the best coach available that they could get.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/22/2012  7:21 PM
Uptown wrote:
MS wrote:Listen, it’s really hard to get on Mike’s case for the job that he did here. No coach in the entire league had a tougher job. Remember we were going to go to the playoffs with Zach, Jamal and Lee in his first season then they broke up the team on him and made a number of trades that didn’t work out Mobley, Larry Hughes etc. Then Walsh made a terrible selection in Jordan Hill bypassing Lawson, Jennings, Holiday and leaving the team weak at the guard spot. When he finally got the team that he wanted the Knicks gut the entire team in order to bring in Melo and a largely inefficient Chancey Billups. Then the team retains Billups in one of the stupidest moves all season long to bring in chandler and turn the team over to the worst starting guard rotation in the NBA.

Please tell me how you can be successful as a coach with that much turnover?
Pop might be one of the greatest coaches of all time, but when you have a complimentary HOF nucleus and the best executive in all of sports running the show it’s much easier to look good.

Again, like it’s always said it’s about getting the right star, not just a star. Amare can’t play defense, Chandler is one of the worst offensive players in the game and Melo is all isolation all the time. We the Knicks bought in the ball was constantly moving, players were getting easy baskets, but our guy is concerned with his stats not with the team game. So if you want to put that one the coach it’s fine. But, when the chips were down Melo ball looks great in the stat sheet, but not the win column.

Makes you wonder how Woodson managed to go 18-6 playing Melo ball. Stop with the excuses, Woodson did a much better job with the same roster than MDA did. It took MDA 42 games to win 18, Woodson won 18 in 24 games....

I'm so tired of this BS about the 18-6 record. For one it was a small sample of a season, we don't know how much of it was due to the usual boost a new coach gets when there's a coaching change and Woody had the teams BEST F'n PLAYER actually buying in and trying hard. Melo clearly wasn't doing that and even admitted that he wasn't. Woody initially changed NOTHING. Not the offense or the defense. They hadn't even had much time to practice and put in anything new. It was purely a change in attitude starting with the teams best player. Anytime you have your best player busting his A on D then all of a sudden things start to work much better. Melo didn't even start hitting a higher % shots until March 28th so all the early success was mostly just extra hustle, which almost ALWAYS happens when you change the coach. Woody clearly got a nice boost from the Change of Coach burst that teams often go thru.

Let's see if Woody wouldn't have run into problems playing Melo ball for most of the year if he was the head coach from day one. Back when Melo was not in great shape and was shooting like crap and getting his shot blocked repeatedly.

Woody had the good Melo for all of April. MDA NEVER saw the good Melo this year.

Under MDA this was what Melo did:


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4

Melo under Woody from March 14-31st. Melo didn't get hot until March 28th and then went on a tear. The wins were mostly increased effort on D and as time went on the offense changed more to focus on Melo.

DATE OPP   SCORE     MIN FGM-FGA  FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%  FTM-FTA  FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO PTS
3/14 POR W 121-79 25 6-12 .500 3-6 .500 1-2 .500 2 7 0 1 1 2 16
3/16 IND W 115-100 23 4-12 .333 0-3 .000 4-5 .800 7 5 0 2 4 0 12
3/17 @IND W 102-88 30 6-13 .462 1-4 .250 3-7 .429 4 3 0 0 3 3 16
3/20 TOR W 106-87 31 5-15 .333 1-3 .333 6-8 .750 8 5 0 3 3 2 17
3/21 @PHI W 82-79 34 5-15 .333 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 5 2 0 0 4 2 10
3/23 @TOR L 79-96 30 6-15 .400 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 9 3 1 2 4 4 12
3/24 DET W 101-79 29 5-12 .417 0-1 .000 5-6 .833 3 1 0 1 3 1 15
3/26 MIL W 89-80 35 8-20 .400 0-2 .000 12-12 1.000 12 1 1 1 3 3 28
3/28 ORL W 108-86 26 9-15 .600 2-5 .400 5-6 .833 5 6 1 1 2 3 25
3/30 @ATL L 90-100 40 11-24 .458 1-4 .250 13-14 .929 9 2 2 5 3 5 36
3/31 CLE W 91-75 33 7-14 .500 1-2 .500 4-8 .500 4 2 0 1 4 2 19

Then Melo went nuts in April and Woody benefited from a HOT Melo in the last month.

Date  MIN  FGM-FGA   FG%  3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA   FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

The team defended well all year and particularly well during Linsanity and after MDA resigned. The numbers were pretty close defensively during Linsanity and under Woody. The Knicks D didn't fall off after Linsanity until Melo returned during the 10 games just before he resigned and the team went 2-8. During Linsanity the D was giving up about 93 ppg and under woody 91. I know people feel that Woody did magic during his run, but defensively Melo put out FAR more effort under Woody and it started day one, which wasn't anything to do with coaching, but merely Melo deciding to step it up on that very 1st day.

If Woody had been the coach early on who knows if he ends up with a better record given how poorly Melo was playing early on, due really only to Melo himself.

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5/22/2012  7:25 PM
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
MS wrote:Listen, it’s really hard to get on Mike’s case for the job that he did here. No coach in the entire league had a tougher job. Remember we were going to go to the playoffs with Zach, Jamal and Lee in his first season then they broke up the team on him and made a number of trades that didn’t work out Mobley, Larry Hughes etc. Then Walsh made a terrible selection in Jordan Hill bypassing Lawson, Jennings, Holiday and leaving the team weak at the guard spot. When he finally got the team that he wanted the Knicks gut the entire team in order to bring in Melo and a largely inefficient Chancey Billups. Then the team retains Billups in one of the stupidest moves all season long to bring in chandler and turn the team over to the worst starting guard rotation in the NBA.

Please tell me how you can be successful as a coach with that much turnover?
Pop might be one of the greatest coaches of all time, but when you have a complimentary HOF nucleus and the best executive in all of sports running the show it’s much easier to look good.

Again, like it’s always said it’s about getting the right star, not just a star. Amare can’t play defense, Chandler is one of the worst offensive players in the game and Melo is all isolation all the time. We the Knicks bought in the ball was constantly moving, players were getting easy baskets, but our guy is concerned with his stats not with the team game. So if you want to put that one the coach it’s fine. But, when the chips were down Melo ball looks great in the stat sheet, but not the win column.

Makes you wonder how Woodson managed to go 18-6 playing Melo ball. Stop with the excuses, Woodson did a much better job with the same roster than MDA did. It took MDA 42 games to win 18, Woodson won 18 in 24 games....

I'm so tired of this BS about the 18-6 record. For one it was a small sample of a season, we don't know how much of it was due to the usual boost a new coach gets when there's a coaching change and Woody had the teams BEST F'n PLAYER actually buying in and trying hard. Melo clearly wasn't doing that and even admitted that he wasn't. Woody initially changed NOTHING. Not the offense or the defense. They hadn't even had much time to practice and put in anything new. It was purely a change in attitude starting with the teams best player. Anytime you have your best player busting his A on D then all of a sudden things start to work much better. Melo didn't even start hitting a higher % shots until March 28th so all the early success was mostly just extra hustle, which almost ALWAYS happens when you change the coach. Woody clearly got a nice boost from the Change of Coach burst that teams often go thru.

Let's see if Woody wouldn't have run into problems playing Melo ball for most of the year if he was the head coach from day one. Back when Melo was not in great shape and was shooting like crap and getting his shot blocked repeatedly.

Woody had the good Melo for all of April. MDA NEVER saw the good Melo this year.

Under MDA this was what Melo did:


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4

Melo under Woody from March 14-31st. Melo didn't get hot until March 28th and then went on a tear. The wins were mostly increased effort on D and as time went on the offense changed more to focus on Melo.

DATE OPP   SCORE     MIN FGM-FGA  FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%  FTM-FTA  FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO PTS
3/14 POR W 121-79 25 6-12 .500 3-6 .500 1-2 .500 2 7 0 1 1 2 16
3/16 IND W 115-100 23 4-12 .333 0-3 .000 4-5 .800 7 5 0 2 4 0 12
3/17 @IND W 102-88 30 6-13 .462 1-4 .250 3-7 .429 4 3 0 0 3 3 16
3/20 TOR W 106-87 31 5-15 .333 1-3 .333 6-8 .750 8 5 0 3 3 2 17
3/21 @PHI W 82-79 34 5-15 .333 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 5 2 0 0 4 2 10
3/23 @TOR L 79-96 30 6-15 .400 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 9 3 1 2 4 4 12
3/24 DET W 101-79 29 5-12 .417 0-1 .000 5-6 .833 3 1 0 1 3 1 15
3/26 MIL W 89-80 35 8-20 .400 0-2 .000 12-12 1.000 12 1 1 1 3 3 28
3/28 ORL W 108-86 26 9-15 .600 2-5 .400 5-6 .833 5 6 1 1 2 3 25
3/30 @ATL L 90-100 40 11-24 .458 1-4 .250 13-14 .929 9 2 2 5 3 5 36
3/31 CLE W 91-75 33 7-14 .500 1-2 .500 4-8 .500 4 2 0 1 4 2 19

Then Melo went nuts in April and Woody benefited from a HOT Melo in the last month.

Date  MIN  FGM-FGA   FG%  3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA   FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

The team defended well all year and particularly well during Linsanity and after MDA resigned. The numbers were pretty close defensively during Linsanity and under Woody. The Knicks D didn't fall off after Linsanity until Melo returned during the 10 games just before he resigned and the team went 2-8. During Linsanity the D was giving up about 93 ppg and under woody 91. I know people feel that Woody did magic during his run, but defensively Melo put out FAR more effort under Woody and it started day one, which wasn't anything to do with coaching, but merely Melo deciding to step it up on that very 1st day.

If Woody had been the coach early on who knows if he ends up with a better record given how poorly Melo was playing early on, due really only to Melo himself.

The Linsanity schedule was a joke - BIG EFFIN DIFFERENCE!!!

LETS KEEP IGNORING THAT CAUSE ITS MORE FUN

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5/22/2012  8:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2012  8:21 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
MS wrote:Listen, it’s really hard to get on Mike’s case for the job that he did here. No coach in the entire league had a tougher job. Remember we were going to go to the playoffs with Zach, Jamal and Lee in his first season then they broke up the team on him and made a number of trades that didn’t work out Mobley, Larry Hughes etc. Then Walsh made a terrible selection in Jordan Hill bypassing Lawson, Jennings, Holiday and leaving the team weak at the guard spot. When he finally got the team that he wanted the Knicks gut the entire team in order to bring in Melo and a largely inefficient Chancey Billups. Then the team retains Billups in one of the stupidest moves all season long to bring in chandler and turn the team over to the worst starting guard rotation in the NBA.

Please tell me how you can be successful as a coach with that much turnover?
Pop might be one of the greatest coaches of all time, but when you have a complimentary HOF nucleus and the best executive in all of sports running the show it’s much easier to look good.

Again, like it’s always said it’s about getting the right star, not just a star. Amare can’t play defense, Chandler is one of the worst offensive players in the game and Melo is all isolation all the time. We the Knicks bought in the ball was constantly moving, players were getting easy baskets, but our guy is concerned with his stats not with the team game. So if you want to put that one the coach it’s fine. But, when the chips were down Melo ball looks great in the stat sheet, but not the win column.

Makes you wonder how Woodson managed to go 18-6 playing Melo ball. Stop with the excuses, Woodson did a much better job with the same roster than MDA did. It took MDA 42 games to win 18, Woodson won 18 in 24 games....

I'm so tired of this BS about the 18-6 record. For one it was a small sample of a season, we don't know how much of it was due to the usual boost a new coach gets when there's a coaching change and Woody had the teams BEST F'n PLAYER actually buying in and trying hard. Melo clearly wasn't doing that and even admitted that he wasn't. Woody initially changed NOTHING. Not the offense or the defense. They hadn't even had much time to practice and put in anything new. It was purely a change in attitude starting with the teams best player. Anytime you have your best player busting his A on D then all of a sudden things start to work much better. Melo didn't even start hitting a higher % shots until March 28th so all the early success was mostly just extra hustle, which almost ALWAYS happens when you change the coach. Woody clearly got a nice boost from the Change of Coach burst that teams often go thru.

Let's see if Woody wouldn't have run into problems playing Melo ball for most of the year if he was the head coach from day one. Back when Melo was not in great shape and was shooting like crap and getting his shot blocked repeatedly.

Woody had the good Melo for all of April. MDA NEVER saw the good Melo this year.

Under MDA this was what Melo did:


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4

Melo under Woody from March 14-31st. Melo didn't get hot until March 28th and then went on a tear. The wins were mostly increased effort on D and as time went on the offense changed more to focus on Melo.

DATE OPP   SCORE     MIN FGM-FGA  FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%  FTM-FTA  FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO PTS
3/14 POR W 121-79 25 6-12 .500 3-6 .500 1-2 .500 2 7 0 1 1 2 16
3/16 IND W 115-100 23 4-12 .333 0-3 .000 4-5 .800 7 5 0 2 4 0 12
3/17 @IND W 102-88 30 6-13 .462 1-4 .250 3-7 .429 4 3 0 0 3 3 16
3/20 TOR W 106-87 31 5-15 .333 1-3 .333 6-8 .750 8 5 0 3 3 2 17
3/21 @PHI W 82-79 34 5-15 .333 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 5 2 0 0 4 2 10
3/23 @TOR L 79-96 30 6-15 .400 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 9 3 1 2 4 4 12
3/24 DET W 101-79 29 5-12 .417 0-1 .000 5-6 .833 3 1 0 1 3 1 15
3/26 MIL W 89-80 35 8-20 .400 0-2 .000 12-12 1.000 12 1 1 1 3 3 28
3/28 ORL W 108-86 26 9-15 .600 2-5 .400 5-6 .833 5 6 1 1 2 3 25
3/30 @ATL L 90-100 40 11-24 .458 1-4 .250 13-14 .929 9 2 2 5 3 5 36
3/31 CLE W 91-75 33 7-14 .500 1-2 .500 4-8 .500 4 2 0 1 4 2 19

Then Melo went nuts in April and Woody benefited from a HOT Melo in the last month.

Date  MIN  FGM-FGA   FG%  3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA   FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

The team defended well all year and particularly well during Linsanity and after MDA resigned. The numbers were pretty close defensively during Linsanity and under Woody. The Knicks D didn't fall off after Linsanity until Melo returned during the 10 games just before he resigned and the team went 2-8. During Linsanity the D was giving up about 93 ppg and under woody 91. I know people feel that Woody did magic during his run, but defensively Melo put out FAR more effort under Woody and it started day one, which wasn't anything to do with coaching, but merely Melo deciding to step it up on that very 1st day.

If Woody had been the coach early on who knows if he ends up with a better record given how poorly Melo was playing early on, due really only to Melo himself.

The Linsanity schedule was a joke - BIG EFFIN DIFFERENCE!!!

LETS KEEP IGNORING THAT CAUSE ITS MORE FUN

It wasn't about the wins, but the way the team responded and was playing hard on D. That really was not a function of the strength of schedule. When you shut teams down you're doing a good job. The Knicks D was mostly good all year except for the 10 games after Melo came back just before MDA resigned. During that 2-8 stretch they gave up 110 ppg!!! However that wasn't the case most of the year and in particular during Linsanity with a very limited roster, with no STAT, Melo and no Baron or JR., as this article points out:

New York’s markedly improved defense has been essential to their recent run.

Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.

When the Knicks knocked off the Kings at Madison Square Garden last Wednesday night, beating Sacramento100-85 for their seventh straight victory, it was also the seventh straight game New York had held their opponent to below 100 points. This tied the organization’s longest streak of that kind over the past 18 seasons. The last time New York had matched that feat was back in 2001, which, coincidentally, was the last time the Knicks won a playoff game.

And despite losing to New Orleans on Friday, the Knicks defense kept an opponent under 90 points for the 10th time (they are 9-1 in such games). Prior to this season, the Knicks held their opponents under 90 points five times in their previous 95 games.

Coming into the 2011-2012 campaign, the Knicks had allowed over 110 points per 100 possessions in each of their previous four seasons, including all three under D’Antoni. This season, New York is allowing just 99.5 points per 100 possessions, which ranks sixth-best in the entire league. This is the first time New York has allowed under 100 per 100 possessions since… yes, 2001.

New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.

In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).

As these numbers illustrate, New York’s team defense hasn’t just been adequate, it’s been very good. And by just reading the headlines you might not know it, but there have actually been other players sharing the court with Jeremy Lin. The most important of these players has been big man Tyson Chandler.

http://file:///Users/nixluva/Documents/2%20lost-in-linsanity-knicks-improved-defense.html
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5/22/2012  8:23 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
MS wrote:Listen, it’s really hard to get on Mike’s case for the job that he did here. No coach in the entire league had a tougher job. Remember we were going to go to the playoffs with Zach, Jamal and Lee in his first season then they broke up the team on him and made a number of trades that didn’t work out Mobley, Larry Hughes etc. Then Walsh made a terrible selection in Jordan Hill bypassing Lawson, Jennings, Holiday and leaving the team weak at the guard spot. When he finally got the team that he wanted the Knicks gut the entire team in order to bring in Melo and a largely inefficient Chancey Billups. Then the team retains Billups in one of the stupidest moves all season long to bring in chandler and turn the team over to the worst starting guard rotation in the NBA.

Please tell me how you can be successful as a coach with that much turnover?
Pop might be one of the greatest coaches of all time, but when you have a complimentary HOF nucleus and the best executive in all of sports running the show it’s much easier to look good.

Again, like it’s always said it’s about getting the right star, not just a star. Amare can’t play defense, Chandler is one of the worst offensive players in the game and Melo is all isolation all the time. We the Knicks bought in the ball was constantly moving, players were getting easy baskets, but our guy is concerned with his stats not with the team game. So if you want to put that one the coach it’s fine. But, when the chips were down Melo ball looks great in the stat sheet, but not the win column.

Makes you wonder how Woodson managed to go 18-6 playing Melo ball. Stop with the excuses, Woodson did a much better job with the same roster than MDA did. It took MDA 42 games to win 18, Woodson won 18 in 24 games....

I'm so tired of this BS about the 18-6 record. For one it was a small sample of a season, we don't know how much of it was due to the usual boost a new coach gets when there's a coaching change and Woody had the teams BEST F'n PLAYER actually buying in and trying hard. Melo clearly wasn't doing that and even admitted that he wasn't. Woody initially changed NOTHING. Not the offense or the defense. They hadn't even had much time to practice and put in anything new. It was purely a change in attitude starting with the teams best player. Anytime you have your best player busting his A on D then all of a sudden things start to work much better. Melo didn't even start hitting a higher % shots until March 28th so all the early success was mostly just extra hustle, which almost ALWAYS happens when you change the coach. Woody clearly got a nice boost from the Change of Coach burst that teams often go thru.

Let's see if Woody wouldn't have run into problems playing Melo ball for most of the year if he was the head coach from day one. Back when Melo was not in great shape and was shooting like crap and getting his shot blocked repeatedly.

Woody had the good Melo for all of April. MDA NEVER saw the good Melo this year.

Under MDA this was what Melo did:


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4

Melo under Woody from March 14-31st. Melo didn't get hot until March 28th and then went on a tear. The wins were mostly increased effort on D and as time went on the offense changed more to focus on Melo.

DATE OPP   SCORE     MIN FGM-FGA  FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%  FTM-FTA  FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO PTS
3/14 POR W 121-79 25 6-12 .500 3-6 .500 1-2 .500 2 7 0 1 1 2 16
3/16 IND W 115-100 23 4-12 .333 0-3 .000 4-5 .800 7 5 0 2 4 0 12
3/17 @IND W 102-88 30 6-13 .462 1-4 .250 3-7 .429 4 3 0 0 3 3 16
3/20 TOR W 106-87 31 5-15 .333 1-3 .333 6-8 .750 8 5 0 3 3 2 17
3/21 @PHI W 82-79 34 5-15 .333 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 5 2 0 0 4 2 10
3/23 @TOR L 79-96 30 6-15 .400 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 9 3 1 2 4 4 12
3/24 DET W 101-79 29 5-12 .417 0-1 .000 5-6 .833 3 1 0 1 3 1 15
3/26 MIL W 89-80 35 8-20 .400 0-2 .000 12-12 1.000 12 1 1 1 3 3 28
3/28 ORL W 108-86 26 9-15 .600 2-5 .400 5-6 .833 5 6 1 1 2 3 25
3/30 @ATL L 90-100 40 11-24 .458 1-4 .250 13-14 .929 9 2 2 5 3 5 36
3/31 CLE W 91-75 33 7-14 .500 1-2 .500 4-8 .500 4 2 0 1 4 2 19

Then Melo went nuts in April and Woody benefited from a HOT Melo in the last month.

Date  MIN  FGM-FGA   FG%  3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA   FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

The team defended well all year and particularly well during Linsanity and after MDA resigned. The numbers were pretty close defensively during Linsanity and under Woody. The Knicks D didn't fall off after Linsanity until Melo returned during the 10 games just before he resigned and the team went 2-8. During Linsanity the D was giving up about 93 ppg and under woody 91. I know people feel that Woody did magic during his run, but defensively Melo put out FAR more effort under Woody and it started day one, which wasn't anything to do with coaching, but merely Melo deciding to step it up on that very 1st day.

If Woody had been the coach early on who knows if he ends up with a better record given how poorly Melo was playing early on, due really only to Melo himself.

The Linsanity schedule was a joke - BIG EFFIN DIFFERENCE!!!

LETS KEEP IGNORING THAT CAUSE ITS MORE FUN

It wasn't about the wins, but the way the team responded and was playing hard on D. That really was not a function of the strength of schedule. When you shut teams down you're doing a good job. The Knicks D was mostly good all year except for the 10 games after Melo came back just before MDA resigned. During that 2-8 stretch they gave up 110 ppg!!! However that wasn't the case most of the year and in particular during Linsanity with a very limited roster, with no STAT, Melo and no Baron or JR., as this article points out:

New York’s markedly improved defense has been essential to their recent run.

Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.

When the Knicks knocked off the Kings at Madison Square Garden last Wednesday night, beating Sacramento100-85 for their seventh straight victory, it was also the seventh straight game New York had held their opponent to below 100 points. This tied the organization’s longest streak of that kind over the past 18 seasons. The last time New York had matched that feat was back in 2001, which, coincidentally, was the last time the Knicks won a playoff game.

And despite losing to New Orleans on Friday, the Knicks defense kept an opponent under 90 points for the 10th time (they are 9-1 in such games). Prior to this season, the Knicks held their opponents under 90 points five times in their previous 95 games.

Coming into the 2011-2012 campaign, the Knicks had allowed over 110 points per 100 possessions in each of their previous four seasons, including all three under D’Antoni. This season, New York is allowing just 99.5 points per 100 possessions, which ranks sixth-best in the entire league. This is the first time New York has allowed under 100 per 100 possessions since… yes, 2001.

New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.

In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).

As these numbers illustrate, New York’s team defense hasn’t just been adequate, it’s been very good. And by just reading the headlines you might not know it, but there have actually been other players sharing the court with Jeremy Lin. The most important of these players has been big man Tyson Chandler.

http://file:///Users/nixluva/Documents/2%20lost-in-linsanity-knicks-improved-defense.html

Well Lin was/is a putrid defender but that might not have been as obvious playing putrid teams who cant score.

PERHAPS ... it was more obvious playing that brutal 10 games stretch???

PERHAPS??

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mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
MS wrote:Listen, it’s really hard to get on Mike’s case for the job that he did here. No coach in the entire league had a tougher job. Remember we were going to go to the playoffs with Zach, Jamal and Lee in his first season then they broke up the team on him and made a number of trades that didn’t work out Mobley, Larry Hughes etc. Then Walsh made a terrible selection in Jordan Hill bypassing Lawson, Jennings, Holiday and leaving the team weak at the guard spot. When he finally got the team that he wanted the Knicks gut the entire team in order to bring in Melo and a largely inefficient Chancey Billups. Then the team retains Billups in one of the stupidest moves all season long to bring in chandler and turn the team over to the worst starting guard rotation in the NBA.

Please tell me how you can be successful as a coach with that much turnover?
Pop might be one of the greatest coaches of all time, but when you have a complimentary HOF nucleus and the best executive in all of sports running the show it’s much easier to look good.

Again, like it’s always said it’s about getting the right star, not just a star. Amare can’t play defense, Chandler is one of the worst offensive players in the game and Melo is all isolation all the time. We the Knicks bought in the ball was constantly moving, players were getting easy baskets, but our guy is concerned with his stats not with the team game. So if you want to put that one the coach it’s fine. But, when the chips were down Melo ball looks great in the stat sheet, but not the win column.

Makes you wonder how Woodson managed to go 18-6 playing Melo ball. Stop with the excuses, Woodson did a much better job with the same roster than MDA did. It took MDA 42 games to win 18, Woodson won 18 in 24 games....

I'm so tired of this BS about the 18-6 record. For one it was a small sample of a season, we don't know how much of it was due to the usual boost a new coach gets when there's a coaching change and Woody had the teams BEST F'n PLAYER actually buying in and trying hard. Melo clearly wasn't doing that and even admitted that he wasn't. Woody initially changed NOTHING. Not the offense or the defense. They hadn't even had much time to practice and put in anything new. It was purely a change in attitude starting with the teams best player. Anytime you have your best player busting his A on D then all of a sudden things start to work much better. Melo didn't even start hitting a higher % shots until March 28th so all the early success was mostly just extra hustle, which almost ALWAYS happens when you change the coach. Woody clearly got a nice boost from the Change of Coach burst that teams often go thru.

Let's see if Woody wouldn't have run into problems playing Melo ball for most of the year if he was the head coach from day one. Back when Melo was not in great shape and was shooting like crap and getting his shot blocked repeatedly.

Woody had the good Melo for all of April. MDA NEVER saw the good Melo this year.

Under MDA this was what Melo did:


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4

Melo under Woody from March 14-31st. Melo didn't get hot until March 28th and then went on a tear. The wins were mostly increased effort on D and as time went on the offense changed more to focus on Melo.

DATE OPP   SCORE     MIN FGM-FGA  FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%  FTM-FTA  FT%  REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF  TO PTS
3/14 POR W 121-79 25 6-12 .500 3-6 .500 1-2 .500 2 7 0 1 1 2 16
3/16 IND W 115-100 23 4-12 .333 0-3 .000 4-5 .800 7 5 0 2 4 0 12
3/17 @IND W 102-88 30 6-13 .462 1-4 .250 3-7 .429 4 3 0 0 3 3 16
3/20 TOR W 106-87 31 5-15 .333 1-3 .333 6-8 .750 8 5 0 3 3 2 17
3/21 @PHI W 82-79 34 5-15 .333 0-2 .000 0-1 .000 5 2 0 0 4 2 10
3/23 @TOR L 79-96 30 6-15 .400 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 9 3 1 2 4 4 12
3/24 DET W 101-79 29 5-12 .417 0-1 .000 5-6 .833 3 1 0 1 3 1 15
3/26 MIL W 89-80 35 8-20 .400 0-2 .000 12-12 1.000 12 1 1 1 3 3 28
3/28 ORL W 108-86 26 9-15 .600 2-5 .400 5-6 .833 5 6 1 1 2 3 25
3/30 @ATL L 90-100 40 11-24 .458 1-4 .250 13-14 .929 9 2 2 5 3 5 36
3/31 CLE W 91-75 33 7-14 .500 1-2 .500 4-8 .500 4 2 0 1 4 2 19

Then Melo went nuts in April and Woody benefited from a HOT Melo in the last month.

Date  MIN  FGM-FGA   FG%  3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA   FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
April 36.9 11.3-22.8 .495 1.9-4.2 .460 5.4-6.7 .813 7.3 3.6 0.4 1.1 3.1 2.5 29.8

The team defended well all year and particularly well during Linsanity and after MDA resigned. The numbers were pretty close defensively during Linsanity and under Woody. The Knicks D didn't fall off after Linsanity until Melo returned during the 10 games just before he resigned and the team went 2-8. During Linsanity the D was giving up about 93 ppg and under woody 91. I know people feel that Woody did magic during his run, but defensively Melo put out FAR more effort under Woody and it started day one, which wasn't anything to do with coaching, but merely Melo deciding to step it up on that very 1st day.

If Woody had been the coach early on who knows if he ends up with a better record given how poorly Melo was playing early on, due really only to Melo himself.

The Linsanity schedule was a joke - BIG EFFIN DIFFERENCE!!!

LETS KEEP IGNORING THAT CAUSE ITS MORE FUN

It wasn't about the wins, but the way the team responded and was playing hard on D. That really was not a function of the strength of schedule. When you shut teams down you're doing a good job. The Knicks D was mostly good all year except for the 10 games after Melo came back just before MDA resigned. During that 2-8 stretch they gave up 110 ppg!!! However that wasn't the case most of the year and in particular during Linsanity with a very limited roster, with no STAT, Melo and no Baron or JR., as this article points out:

New York’s markedly improved defense has been essential to their recent run.

Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.

When the Knicks knocked off the Kings at Madison Square Garden last Wednesday night, beating Sacramento100-85 for their seventh straight victory, it was also the seventh straight game New York had held their opponent to below 100 points. This tied the organization’s longest streak of that kind over the past 18 seasons. The last time New York had matched that feat was back in 2001, which, coincidentally, was the last time the Knicks won a playoff game.

And despite losing to New Orleans on Friday, the Knicks defense kept an opponent under 90 points for the 10th time (they are 9-1 in such games). Prior to this season, the Knicks held their opponents under 90 points five times in their previous 95 games.

Coming into the 2011-2012 campaign, the Knicks had allowed over 110 points per 100 possessions in each of their previous four seasons, including all three under D’Antoni. This season, New York is allowing just 99.5 points per 100 possessions, which ranks sixth-best in the entire league. This is the first time New York has allowed under 100 per 100 possessions since… yes, 2001.

New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.

In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).

As these numbers illustrate, New York’s team defense hasn’t just been adequate, it’s been very good. And by just reading the headlines you might not know it, but there have actually been other players sharing the court with Jeremy Lin. The most important of these players has been big man Tyson Chandler.

http://file:///Users/nixluva/Documents/2%20lost-in-linsanity-knicks-improved-defense.html

Well Lin was/is a putrid defender but that might not have been as obvious playing putrid teams who cant score.

PERHAPS ... it was more obvious playing that brutal 10 games stretch???PERHAPS??

You do not read what I post. The point of my post was that the Knicks actually defended well most of the year with the EXCEPTION of that 10 game stretch when Melo came back and acted like a B**CH. You want to make it only about the quality of the teams they played during that stretch but it was more than that. The article I posted explains how the Knicks at the time were 6th in the league defensively and were improving defensively during Linsanity. My point is the team was better on D all year and got even better when STAT and Melo weren't in the mix. Then the day that MDA resigned Melo also really increased his defensive intensity and that was a huge part of the reason the team improved even further after MDA resigned. When your best player is giving 110% it makes a huge difference in how the team plays. If Melo had been giving that much effort all year they would've won more games earlier.

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He handled himself very well. He didn't trash the organization or any players. I think it should be left at that. I wish him well, His time in NY has been anazlyzed to death.
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5/22/2012  9:08 PM
Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?
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5/22/2012  10:02 PM
blackisblack wrote:Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?

Cuz he spoke yesterday.

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5/22/2012  10:03 PM
Going give MDA all the credits you supporters feel he deserves.


Great.


This man spoke and he decided it was time to go. Why blame all outside himself ?


Many here wants to state give this man MDA this and that and this and that type of players and every little
thing representing a perfect Knick world.

There is nothing perfect in the world, much less the NY Knickerbocker franchise.

With that said, fact of matter any coach could have done this & that & this & that better.
MDA didn't

So what ?
He will get his next NBA or World Basketball job some day after a break.
It is his right to work as much as supporters right to support him here especially MDA's tenure in New York City.

Not too much of the Article in MDA 'speaks' goes back to NY City, the meaning of sports here and the great great great
Knick or basketball fans whom born in the area and seen the ups & downs of NY Knick basketball regardless of MDA or Melo.

Say what you want about the players whom play here, D'Antoni didn't ever embrace NY City hoops, its fans,
the opportunity to coach in NY much different than anywhere in the world.

Say what you want about MDA record and success in NBA & Europe basketball laurels which he's still living in the past
accolades (Fine) of some good accomplishments. Mike tells us all that Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudamire were post up players!
Can you imagine that eh ?

One thing you can state D'Antoni could not even care less for YOU and KNICKS and FANs & NY City, and Spike Lee and
Woody Allen or Tom Brokaw or any of Knicks true blue or blue collar workers.

In short D'Antoni could care less for New York City
Its simply all about his system and all here which happens is everybody's fault OR downfall except Mike D'Antoni
This isn't hard at all. I've never ever said its 1 man's fault OR 1 man's blame for failures.

Never blamed D'Antoni entirely (how can it be?)
as same I never blame Melo Anthony barely here 1 yr and folks cannot wait until he leaves NY City since we cannot win with Melo!

Fact after 2012 is all said Mike D'Antoni DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE IN NEW YORK ANYMORE! why bring anything else into that eh ?

By the way Same oh same oh,
same oh 8th seed finishes which satisfies mediocre' thinking
same ole' Knick failures. As long as MDA is praise or folks like him, and evils like Melo Anthony is gotten rid of blame of all
wrong with Knicks with fans base & few forum'ers here.

I'll choose to believe in a bright future for Knickerbockers team
regardless of whom's coach.
regardless of whom's owner.
regardless of MELO here OR not, or fans sentiments of favorites & hates of players.

I believe the Knicks will be on rise, much sooner than we can imagine. A little luck and being a Knick fan

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5/22/2012  10:13 PM
blackisblack wrote:Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?

Cuz he spoke yesterday.

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5/22/2012  10:14 PM
blackisblack wrote:Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?

I think its because MDA and Walsh turned nothing and to.something, and a lot of people on here was witnessing what MDA was trying to do here. If he had an owner that backed him, and not pull the rug from what MDA and Walsh was trying to do, then we could've had something special for a long time. But Dolan did things Dolans way, and frankly I'm not to found of "Dolans" way. That being said MDA got a raw deal, but I relies we gotta move on. And also I hate Meloball, MDA's teams were fun to watch.
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5/22/2012  10:17 PM
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blackisblack wrote:Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?

I think its because MDA and Walsh turned nothing and to.something, and a lot of people on here was witnessing what MDA was trying to do here. If he had an owner that backed him, and not pull the rug from what MDA and Walsh was trying to do, then we could've had something special for a long time. But Dolan did things Dolans way, and frankly I'm not to found of "Dolans" way. That being said MDA got a raw deal, but I relies we gotta move on. And also I hate Meloball, MDA's teams were fun to watch.

MDA's team fun to watch ?
4 yrs $24 mil eh ?

Sounds like losing was real fun here to watch as knickerbocker fan

Hmmmmm its strange how much MDA was loved here
but MDA didnt love NY city

He hasn't done squat as far as Town appearances where its all fan based communications

Yet the massives addictives here (so call knick fans) LOVE MDA here

* Dont get it
Dont get it

Dont get it

Dont get it

Dont get it

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5/22/2012  10:27 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:
blackisblack wrote:Honestly, I am not sure why we are still talking about MDA. The man is gone. He is no longer a part of the Knicks. What's done is done. I don't like or hate him. I am totally indifferent to him now that he's just a part of the past. I am not sure why we (the forum) or some are still hung up on him?

I think its because MDA and Walsh turned nothing and to.something, and a lot of people on here was witnessing what MDA was trying to do here. If he had an owner that backed him, and not pull the rug from what MDA and Walsh was trying to do, then we could've had something special for a long time. But Dolan did things Dolans way, and frankly I'm not to found of "Dolans" way. That being said MDA got a raw deal, but I relies we gotta move on. And also I hate Meloball, MDA's teams were fun to watch.

MDA's team fun to watch ?
4 yrs $24 mil eh ?

Sounds like losing was real fun here to watch as knickerbocker fan

Hmmmmm its strange how much MDA was loved here
but MDA didnt love NY city

He hasn't done squat as far as Town appearances where its all fan based communications

Yet the massives addictives here (so call knick fans) LOVE MDA here

* Dont get it
Dont get it

Dont get it

Dont get it

Dont get it


We were in cap SUPER HELL when he got here. We no draft picks and no money him and Walsh cleaned all that up then got dumped. Who was showing who some love???
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