IrishKnickFan wrote:Im not a big JR guy especially since his playoff perfomance was so putrid but i dont mind keeping him for his 2.5 million dollar option.

I'd agree
will take a chance on JR whom is hot and cold
when he's on he goes to hoop and drain jumpers

You cant find too many guys like him. Of course he shoots too much but
made lots of big shots when it counted. His Knick season next yr can only improve
& that will help NY.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

poor shooting, not poor play.

Shooting is a key part of overall play.

the guy defended (well) and gave it his all.

He managed to do that in half of one season in a contract year. He does not have a reputation for being a good defender. What do you think will happen when he gets a long-term contract?

Go back to the pre-JR threads. When I brought up the "JR don't D", I got video after video of him playing Kobe, playing D, sealing people off, making steals, etc etc...

Did you really think that half a season of JR was NOT going to provide any number of off-court antics? He's worth signing just so we possibly don't start Fields anymore.

Please account or the countless stupid fouls. Ones where we were over the limit. Ones where the dude was sent to the line for 3 FT attempts. Please account for these JR Smith NY Knick mishaps. They contribute a lot to me feeling fine about him moving on.

Nalod wrote:Is he coachable at this stage of his career?

gunsnewing wrote:There are more efficient SG's out there than JR. Like a Marco Belinelli who you can play alongside Melo, Amare & Lin. With Shump out til feb/march you dont want JR starting so he will be coming off the bench and Fields will continue to start out of position at SG leaving the Knicks with no floor spacing again. I'd love both marco & JR but thats not happening. JR negatives outweigh his positives. The ball should never be in his hands as a decision maker. Once Amare goes to the bench early in the 1st Melo should be featured. Once Melo goes to the bench Amare should be featured. Having a real pg on the court at all times will help

JR is what he is....a 6th man. Most prolific 6th men over the years have all been inconsistant, which is what makes then the perfect 6th men. When they are hot you ride them, when they are cold, you yanke them. Its that simple. JR had the ball in his hands alot in the playoffs because of our lack of a pg. With a healthy Lin and perhaps a newly signed back-up pg, JR would go back to the role he's played for years, spotting up and finishing on the break. I would love to get JR back as our 6th man.

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:There are more efficient SG's out there than JR. Like a Marco Belinelli who you can play alongside Melo, Amare & Lin. With Shump out til feb/march you dont want JR starting so he will be coming off the bench and Fields will continue to start out of position at SG leaving the Knicks with no floor spacing again. I'd love both marco & JR but thats not happening. JR negatives outweigh his positives. The ball should never be in his hands as a decision maker. Once Amare goes to the bench early in the 1st Melo should be featured. Once Melo goes to the bench Amare should be featured. Having a real pg on the court at all times will help

JR is what he is....a 6th man. Most prolific 6th men over the years have all been inconsistant, which is what makes then the perfect 6th men. When they are hot you ride them, when they are cold, you yanke them. Its that simple. JR had the ball in his hands alot in the playoffs because of our lack of a pg. With a healthy Lin and perhaps a newly signed back-up pg, JR would go back to the role he's played for years, spotting up and finishing on the break. I would love to get JR back as our 6th man.

I agree with this. I'd even move amare to 6th and play J.R. as 7th man. If it's J.R. for his player option, the Knicks won't get better value than that period. That alone is reason to bring him back.

J.R. Smith is a good enough outside shooter to stretch the floor (he's a career 35% three point shooter and has had season where he's close to 40%). He won't be playing important minutes alongside the starters anyway, but he can catch a pass and make a jumper and will bring defensive effort. He'll make bad decisions, but he's not going to be on the floor in important 4th quarter minutes anyway if the team's healthy and he won't have to handle the ball as much if there's an actual backup point guard here.

The priority really is getting a backup PG for Lin. I'd imagine that SOMEBODY like Lin, Melo and STAT will always be in the game next to Smith to pick up some of the scoring slack.

gunsnewing wrote:Ok uptown I can live with that but when JR is cold which is mode often then not you need someone to pick up the slack. Fields cant do it. Shump is raw offensively and out til feb/march. Novak is one dimensional and struggles against upper echelon defensive teams. You still need help at not only PG but SG.. And the perfect SG for this team is one who can play alongside Melo, Amare & Lin and stretch thd floor to make it easier for them.

+1 I have been crying for a 2guard that can actually hit shots since last season. Watching Fields is TOO much like watching Shandon Anderson....I can't stand seeing him brick shot after shot.

jrodmc wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:Im not a big JR guy especially since his playoff perfomance was so putrid but i dont mind keeping him for his 2.5 million dollar option.

I'd agree
will take a chance on JR whom is hot and cold
when he's on he goes to hoop and drain jumpers

You cant find too many guys like him. Of course he shoots too much but
made lots of big shots when it counted. His Knick season next yr can only improve
& that will help NY.

Hopefully, a hometown story that ends well for once.

True

knicks dont have too many options, or draft picks, $$$money

At least JR is durable and can play nearly all of 82 game season

foosballnick wrote:

MS wrote:JR was a big reason the Knicks got crushed in the playoffs. He was terrible in games 3,4,5 and I have never seen someone take so many bad shots in one game as he did in game five.

A stop and go crossover hesitation into a spin move fading away out of bounds behind the 3 point line to start the third quarter. He much like Melo is a ball stopper. Re watch the games and see how many open shots the knicks lost because he is braindead. He makes Crawford look like he's got the IQ of Nash out there.

Against the Heat the Knicks put the ball in JR's hands way more than usual and forced him to make decisions because they did not have a PG on the floor half the time. Even when they did, it was Bibby who deferred to JR too often. I would take JR back with a reasonable salary and as the first guy off the bench ......in a flash. This is what he is.....a good SG off the bench who is super athletic and plays tough on the ball D. He is a streak shooter who can take a game over, but often has bad misses.....so he needs a strong PG out there with him. At less than $3 mil I'll take him any day.

+100

DurzoBlint wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Ok uptown I can live with that but when JR is cold which is mode often then not you need someone to pick up the slack. Fields cant do it. Shump is raw offensively and out til feb/march. Novak is one dimensional and struggles against upper echelon defensive teams. You still need help at not only PG but SG.. And the perfect SG for this team is one who can play alongside Melo, Amare & Lin and stretch thd floor to make it easier for them.

+1 I have been crying for a 2guard that can actually hit shots since last season. Watching Fields is TOO much like watching Shandon Anderson....I can't stand seeing him brick shot after shot.

Shandon Anderson I just threw up. Scott Layden traded and paid 11 million a year for Anderson and Eisley thats mind boggling how bad that was