I see zero reason why Atlanta does that deal without getting a SG back in return though.

Tyson
Melo
JJ # 6
Iman

with Lin, JR, Novak, or STRETCH 4, a athletic 3, post player 4, or ANYTHING could work, maybe even TD, because of his JJ ball handling skills.

I do not think this is a no brainer, with his age, and that extra year, but it is something I would look in to if I was Grunweld.
ATM does not work, they eat each other space up...

If I had to choose between Rashard Lewis or expiring, *in a sense tanking this year*, to go under cap or trade for JJ for Amare, I think we have to take the gamble n roll the dice....
And no one is going to give us a lottery pick for Stat with an expiring either.
Adding Teague in to the trade, without losing a 1st rounder or Iman, is telling Atlanta to hang up the phone on us.

Especially if we have both our exemptions to use, I prefer to go in to training camp with the roster that we could develop early on the season, not in the middle of the season.
Keeping Lin, Novak, and JR Smith, and having both exemptions are possible now...

AnubisADL wrote:You trade for Joe because he immediately helps the team spacing. He also can create his own shot.

I see zero reason why Atlanta does that deal without getting a SG back in return though.

Will there really be another team willing to take on Joe Johnson's MAX contract?
It has to be a team looking for a 3rd piece to contend.
Not many? Maybe...

Memphis ZBO + Mayo for Joe Johnson??
Boston picks and *since they under the cap* fillers, while retaining their current core at a slight discount?

I am not sure if Atlanta have any interest in Amare either?
But with Teague, a speedy PG, looking like he has improved his ability to penetrate, it just might work with STAT.
AFter next season, Teague will be a restricted FA.

By doing this deal, I am expecting them to deal Josh Smith or/and AL Horford for young players, draft picks, because they still have good value...
With Josh Smith, he is a player based on athleticism, which will be in a contract year, next season.
AL Horford is not a center, he is a PF, capable of playing center position vs weak opponents.

Atlanta has peaked out with Joe Johnson and are reluctant to acquire additional salary, and its downhill from here.
I look for them to do make some changes this off season and can actually see Amare working there....

$19,752,645

$21,466,718

$23,180,790

$24,894,863

Amare

$18,217,705

$19,948,799

$21,679,893

$23,410,988

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

I clearly do not believe that the Amare and Melo pairing works with Tyson Chandler...
Tyson Chandler is DPY for a reason, so its between Melo or Amare, and how to fill the rest of the pieces together.
These 3 players make too much $ and we don't have the ability to add the talent we need, while they do not compliment each other TOGETHER!
Early in the season, I was put on full blast by people here, requesting a trade for Amare for KG, and for asking Amare to be a 6th man...

I don't want to waste time...
I have seen enough last year, this year, with all 3 hurt, and I watch a lot of Knick games....

1) I want a decision to be made on the coach their philosophy,
2) have the coach work it out with management, targeting certain type of players...
3) create a philosophy/blueprint in which to beat the HEAT, Bulls, OKC, Spurs
4) let it be known what our roster will be like
5) so players know what to expect and what they need to do to work on during the summer
6) finding the players that compliment each other that are attainable to follow the system, thru trading Amare or Melo

RonRon wrote:

tj23 wrote:How can anyone NOT do this? Just because Joe's on the books 1 more year? I mean if there was a better offer maybe but Joe is a bonafide all star and Amare's situation doesn't look good at all. Even if he did return to the form of 10-11 there is a chance he could be re-injured plus he hasn't meshed with Melo at all and doesn't seem to know how to play next a center who clogs the paint.

I don't think he truly should have been a #1 go to guy, he did have great skills though.
He wanted the $ and got some nice contracts, but his game would have fit really nice as a 3rd option.
He is much older now but he still has more post moves than STAT, is an average defender, and hit wide open shots.

I do not want a Joe Johnson playing taking bad shots or anyone, even Melo or JR Smith, on a consistent basis.
I prefer to play a style that would help us win games, not achieve STATS or individual numbers.
I am still not sold if Melo understand this, maybe because he has thoughts of opting out of his final year to pull a Joe Johnson like deal on us, rather than WINNING a ring.

if Joe remembers his time in Phoenix, then he could be a great compliment to Melo. In Phoenix he was neither the 1st or 2nd option and was very effective for them.

Amare was GREAT his first season as a Knick and was clearly hampered by injuries this season. Even then, if you compare their last two full seasons I'd say Amare has been better than Joe J overall.

It seems people on this board are always looking for the next great trade or hire and show ZERO patience. This current Knick team has not even played on full 82 game season together under the same coach. There is a lot of room for growth and improvement if we simply get all our players healthy at the start of the season with a good coach and full training camp.

If the Knicks can't get it done next season then perhaps it would be reasonable to entertain these types of trades.

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. But I'd rather trade Amar'e for Josh Smith

I was thinking about a trade like that... I'd probably do it. The defense would be top notch.

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:yes. But I'd rather trade Amar'e for Josh Smith

I was thinking about a trade like that... I'd probably do it. The defense would be top notch.

Why would Atlanta not laugh us out of town at that suggestion? Smith at this point is better in every facet of the game.