mrKnickShot wrote:Very interesting ... Bosh goes out with an injury and the Heat play MeloBall

"Indiana got a look at what Miami will do without Bosh in the second half, when James and Wade dominated the ball. James took 17 shots in the second half, Wade took 13. No other Heat player took more than two shots after halftime."

17 shots for LebronBury in the second half!!!!!! And, 13 for WadeBury!!!!!

Wow - what would LebronBury do if WadeBury goes down? Take 30 shots a half? Is that pretty enough BBall for you pretty ball seekers?

Who won?

TymeLessKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Since you bought it up,

Take out Melo and take out Gallo on both teams.

Which one is better?

Well that's really the point isn't it..In the real world we don't take out both players...One guy puts you on par with a team of many guys...Now add the pieces and see what you have..

The point was wnot Gallo vs. melo as some contend, but which team is better.

The record speaks for itself.

Teams worn out break down We lacked depth most of the season.

Its not anyones "Fault", it just happens.

"The Trade" is conceptual. SOme like the star thing and others want team thing.

We all want the last word.

The last word is wins and losses. Nuggs up two game regular season and two more in the playoffs. Thats 4 games better.

Yes, melo is better than gallo. Never saw anyone dispute this.

Everyone wants team ball no question about that here...To get to the next level everyone needs a closer and we have that in Melo...We finally got rid of a roadblock MDA...Give me a vet PG and I think we compete with anyone with any coach that gives one iota about defense...No one is looking for Melo to go one on one night in and out...But we must also understand and learn to use his gifts in the concept of a team oriented offense..Last coach had problem with that one ..Believe me, I wish Gallo and Will well..I still keep track of DLee, Frye, and Reezy...They will always to Knicks to me...But to gloat anytime Melo stumbles or cheer and say see that? anytime Denver wins a game is a bit much...Denver is a good deep team and will benefit from the trade...Good for them...Im more worried about the Knicks realizing their potential ...That happens, discussions about Denver will be few and scarse ...Can't wait for that day!!!

You are truly lost in the Knick religion, thinking the team needs to realize their potential every year. Do fans of the Spurs talk like this?

You are what your record says you are. Have you heard that one before?

Regarding this whole argument, the Knicks should not necessarily be compared to Denver directly, roster for roster, which player(s) is better. What should be assessed are the goals for each team after making the trade.

The Knicks goal was to win a championship. Not only are now on vacation for the 2nd year in a row but we fired a coach and relied heavily the luck of Jeremy Lin (God?) to get to the playoffs.

Denver, on the other hand, were probably goaling to stay competitive rather than win a championship. I would say they have achieved that.

...I could continue but I will save it for another post.

Lost in religion???..No my friend, that is fact...Religion is when you see management spend 250 mil on three players with a finite window of 3 to 4 year max and u HOPE we are rebuilding around a young core or PG....We are not building thru the draft, we are starphucking, these players are in their primes now, they are rentals...SA has to build thru the draft because no one is itching for the bright lights of San Antonio, Texas...

By the way this in New York, most fans do not want to rebuild as much as you hear it around here...The goal in NY will always be a Championship, all sports...If you fell the goal of competitiveness is where we should be, then you should be happy, they look very competitive after MDA was fired!!!...

Potential spans a few years...

mrKnickShot wrote:Very interesting ... Bosh goes out with an injury and the Heat play MeloBall

"Indiana got a look at what Miami will do without Bosh in the second half, when James and Wade dominated the ball. James took 17 shots in the second half, Wade took 13. No other Heat player took more than two shots after halftime."

17 shots for LebronBury in the second half!!!!!! And, 13 for WadeBury!!!!!

Wow - what would LebronBury do if WadeBury goes down? Take 30 shots a half? Is that pretty enough BBall for you pretty ball seekers?

Kobebury just took another "tough" shot..

raven wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Since you bought it up,

Take out Melo and take out Gallo on both teams.

Which one is better?

Well that's really the point isn't it..In the real world we don't take out both players...One guy puts you on par with a team of many guys...Now add the pieces and see what you have..

The point was wnot Gallo vs. melo as some contend, but which team is better.

The record speaks for itself.

Teams worn out break down We lacked depth most of the season.

Its not anyones "Fault", it just happens.

"The Trade" is conceptual. SOme like the star thing and others want team thing.

We all want the last word.

The last word is wins and losses. Nuggs up two game regular season and two more in the playoffs. Thats 4 games better.

Yes, melo is better than gallo. Never saw anyone dispute this.

What does better means? Are we suddenly playing tennis? 1v1 basketball?

Newsflash: Denver fans love what Gallo brings to the table and very few people there would like to turn the clock backward, cause contrary to Melo, he does not cannibalize his team when he plays.

And keep in mind that he's only 24 and is paid half of Melo's salary.

Denver has flexibility, youth, talent, draft picks... A great future.

What do we have?
A guy that we were sold was a superstar and that didn't even get 1 vote in the MVP ballot.

So yeah, let's try to spin it one more time to forget that we go destroyed in the playoffs 2 years in a row.

2 years in a row the Knicks go into the playoffs unhealthy but we wont mention that because it doesn't fir into the argument. We'll purposely leave other important details out aswell....

Nalod wrote:

Uptown wrote:

raven wrote:

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Since you bought it up,

Take out Melo and take out Gallo on both teams.

Which one is better?

Well that's really the point isn't it..In the real world we don't take out both players...One guy puts you on par with a team of many guys...Now add the pieces and see what you have..

The point was wnot Gallo vs. melo as some contend, but which team is better.

The record speaks for itself.

Teams worn out break down We lacked depth most of the season.

Its not anyones "Fault", it just happens.

"The Trade" is conceptual. SOme like the star thing and others want team thing.

We all want the last word.

The last word is wins and losses. Nuggs up two game regular season and two more in the playoffs. Thats 4 games better.

Yes, melo is better than gallo. Never saw anyone dispute this.

What does better means? Are we suddenly playing tennis? 1v1 basketball?

Newsflash: Denver fans love what Gallo brings to the table and very few people there would like to turn the clock backward, cause contrary to Melo, he does not cannibalize his team when he plays.

And keep in mind that he's only 24 and is paid half of Melo's salary.

Denver has flexibility, youth, talent, draft picks... A great future.

What do we have?
A guy that we were sold was a superstar and that didn't even get 1 vote in the MVP ballot.

So yeah, let's try to spin it one more time to forget that we go destroyed in the playoffs 2 years in a row.

2 years in a row the Knicks go into the playoffs unhealthy but we wont mention that because it doesn't fir into the argument. We'll purposely leave other important details out aswell....

Why we unhealthy? Cuz we traded away depth? Pile on minutes? Why? Not enough depth? Old Pt guards? Why? can we draft one? Oops, traded picks. Lack of depth has different looks.

details.

Denver has great depth just no stars.

TheloniusMonk wrote:Gallo is talked about way more on this message board than all Denver message boards put together.

but I have less than 2% of the Gallo posts on this board.

Maybe in a nutshell the way you percieve the discussion is the way you percieve the trade:

We talking about Denver as a team and your isolating the discussion as Gallo vs. Melo.

So far Melo has been Melo and while his on court attitude is more mature, he (admitted) to giving less effort to MDA scheme as he wanted no part of it. It did not serve his purpose. He wins, MDA out. Thats "punking the coach" is it not?

BUt we get a dynamic high volume shot taker and he puts up points.

We talking strictly Wins and Losses and team construction.

We talkin about the teams.

If NY has the upside you envision than it will show it self on the court, not on "Paper".

So if we talking about teams, we are not comparing the the two.

jrodmc wrote:Nalod,

I still don't think the comparison of teams makes any sense.

Why Denver then, if it's not about any of the pieces that were traded away for Melo?

Why don't you compare us to SA? Or the Clips? Or the Lakers? Or Golden State?

What's the point? Other than MeloHate?

And here all along I thought you invented starphucque because you agreed with it as a short term answer to franchise frustration.

We made the trade with Denver and in a way polar opposites in terms of rebuilding. One reloads with a star attraction while the other goes with quantity.

I thought we could have used those assets more wisely. By that a more frugel trade.

I don't hate melo. I may not like MeloBall philisophically but the result speak for themselves.

Denver had a better season. starphuch teams get injured more cuz they old or get worn out when over used. Symptoms.

Many of us liked the direction the team was going in. YOunger players growing up with MDA ball and it was working. Not championship quality by any means and not close. But improving. When you grow assets you do have opportuntities to make trades. But they should fit. Amare was being chanted "Mvp.....MVP" and now he is not a good fit because of melo.

So the question is was melo a good fit? Not really.

Then....

Rebuild around Melo? Not the guy I would have picked.

Seems to be the direction we are going thru. Is that hate? I dunno, is it really black and white?

If so, then its hate. Maybe the question is we need to define "hate".

Will it work?

Tune in and we'll find out.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Nalod,

I still don't think the comparison of teams makes any sense.

Why Denver then, if it's not about any of the pieces that were traded away for Melo?

Why don't you compare us to SA? Or the Clips? Or the Lakers? Or Golden State?

What's the point? Other than MeloHate?

And here all along I thought you invented starphucque because you agreed with it as a short term answer to franchise frustration.

We made the trade with Denver and in a way polar opposites in terms of rebuilding. One reloads with a star attraction while the other goes with quantity.

I thought we could have used those assets more wisely. By that a more frugel trade.

I don't hate melo. I may not like MeloBall philisophically but the result speak for themselves.

Denver had a better season. starphuch teams get injured more cuz they old or get worn out when over used. Symptoms.

Many of us liked the direction the team was going in. YOunger players growing up with MDA ball and it was working. Not championship quality by any means and not close. But improving. When you grow assets you do have opportuntities to make trades. But they should fit. Amare was being chanted "Mvp.....MVP" and now he is not a good fit because of melo.

So the question is was melo a good fit? Not really.

Then....

Rebuild around Melo? Not the guy I would have picked.

Seems to be the direction we are going thru. Is that hate? I dunno, is it really black and white?

If so, then its hate. Maybe the question is we need to define "hate".

Will it work?

Tune in and we'll find out.

With 98.7, i certainly will be.

Going back to the pre-Melo, anyone with eyes knew Stat was going to break. MDA was riding him at the 5 harder than a 2 dollar ho before closing time. Stat was the man, but was in the process of deteriorating from hard use. Was Stat plus 4 yoots going to provide anything greater than the results we have now? Honestly looking at all that 'quantity' we traded away, I don't think anyone could say that. If you are, then there's your first clause in the definition of hate.

It's pretty easy to fill in the rest of the clauses:

Many of us liked the direction the team was going in.

was melo a good fit? Not really.

Not the guy I would have picked.

Was the Melo price steep? Sure, at the time. Now, who cares? I like the highlights of this f-ed up shorty season better than anything in the previous 10 years.

Would Denver still be getting bounced out of the first round without our "quantity" and with Melo? History says yes. If we're going to split hairs and say losing in 7 is better than losing in 5, okay, you win. Kobe's not puking his guts out, and the Nuggs are gone earlier.

Results are still the same.

Hey Bonn, Gallo still sucks, but please don't tell martin.

Nalod wrote:
Denver won 4 more games than we did. They went down fighting to a 3 seed that was playing up at seasons end.

Not a big differeence.

Stat breaking down and you saw that? I saw a guy playing top 5 in MVP voting.

I saw a guy go 10 plus in a row over 30.

Ok. THis is as close as we gonna get on these issus.

Let the real season begin.

the "off" season! Usually more interesting for knick fans!

I think we all saw how good that 3 seed was last night against OKC.

I am in Denver now for 3 days and I have been asking everyone their opinion. For the most part, they wished Melo resigned, was happy that they at least made a good trade and are now really disappointed in Gallo's shooting / inconsistency especially in the playoffs.

They love Faried!!!!