fishmike wrote:

Gymkata wrote:You know who else is a great team? The Spurs! And the University of Minnesota women's hockey team!

obviously because they didnt trade for Melo

Gregg Popovich and Melo? I would definitely pay for that on PPV. LOL

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:We don't "Care" but its like when you get a new girlfriend. YOu may be happy but you also know your old girlfriend is with a new guy. You always want to be "happier" then the old girlfriend and you inquire as to "how they are doing".

When you hear "They are doing great" and learn the new boyfriend makes more money than you and takes longer and better vacations and has a nicer car it does not really matter, but it kind of does.

We might be happy with Melo, but the Knuggs are doing better than the Knicks. They did in the regular season and now taking the Lakes who were red hot going into the playoffs 7 games. Denver is excited about the future of their franchise.

We might not care, but its a measure of some sort.

Right now the old girlfriend is doing better than we are.

so you the the Knicks would have finished with a 36-30 record if Damtoni was fired sooner? I think the Knicks wouldve easily finished 3rd ahead of Indiana and Boston. Denver finished 8th and have no shot at getting to a conference final nevermind win a title.

But they didn't.

Don't disrespect the Pacers. They earned it.

What we don't know is Woodsons record in a larger sample. Many times the new coach comes in and team responds. We rode Melo hard and there is no telling if the team would continue its good pace, and as you say finish higher? OR the team breaks down (it did) and maybe finishs out of the playoffs entirely?

We added Novak, Chandler and Smith all without the benefit of a camp. Melo and Stat were not in the proper condition.

What if MDA had a camp to work in? What if Melo buys in early? What if no injuries?

Maybe the variables work in MDA's favor instead of agaisnt.

All I know is Knicks finished 7th and got bounced. Injuries happen to teams that are short handed or having to play hard to make playoffs.

Guns, I really don't know. Its fun to project but your saying the knicks with the way they finished should be considered a top 4 seed like team for next season. I can't go there. Not saying its not plausible, just saying its not tangible.

If thats not tangible than how is worshipping the nuggets tangible and dissolving Dantoni of any blame?

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:We don't "Care" but its like when you get a new girlfriend. YOu may be happy but you also know your old girlfriend is with a new guy. You always want to be "happier" then the old girlfriend and you inquire as to "how they are doing".

When you hear "They are doing great" and learn the new boyfriend makes more money than you and takes longer and better vacations and has a nicer car it does not really matter, but it kind of does.

We might be happy with Melo, but the Knuggs are doing better than the Knicks. They did in the regular season and now taking the Lakes who were red hot going into the playoffs 7 games. Denver is excited about the future of their franchise.

We might not care, but its a measure of some sort.

Right now the old girlfriend is doing better than we are.

so you the the Knicks would have finished with a 36-30 record if Damtoni was fired sooner? I think the Knicks wouldve easily finished 3rd ahead of Indiana and Boston. Denver finished 8th and have no shot at getting to a conference final nevermind win a title.

But they didn't.

Don't disrespect the Pacers. They earned it.

What we don't know is Woodsons record in a larger sample. Many times the new coach comes in and team responds. We rode Melo hard and there is no telling if the team would continue its good pace, and as you say finish higher? OR the team breaks down (it did) and maybe finishs out of the playoffs entirely?

We added Novak, Chandler and Smith all without the benefit of a camp. Melo and Stat were not in the proper condition.

What if MDA had a camp to work in? What if Melo buys in early? What if no injuries?

Maybe the variables work in MDA's favor instead of agaisnt.

All I know is Knicks finished 7th and got bounced. Injuries happen to teams that are short handed or having to play hard to make playoffs.

Guns, I really don't know. Its fun to project but your saying the knicks with the way they finished should be considered a top 4 seed like team for next season. I can't go there. Not saying its not plausible, just saying its not tangible.

If thats not tangible than how is worshipping the nuggets tangible and dissolving Dantoni of any blame? The knicks were not the only team who didnt have an extended training camp. Dantoni teams come out slow historically even with a full training camp

I was responding to your assertion that If MDA got shytCanned earlier we'd be like 3 or 4th seed. That is possible, but also teams could fade after a surge and to extropolate it as only success is just one way to look at it.

"what ifs" are fun.

At the same time if we lost a few games and got the Bulls instead of the Heat would Woodson be more successful if advanced to second round? I mean he finishes with a lower seed but gets luckey when Joakim and Rose go down?

and if They lose to the Bulls still, does that make it even more an epic failure?

Undertand I don't "Blame" Woodson for our playoff loss nor think we were good enough to beat them.

I think the team did real good and he deserves the gig.

Im not hero worshipping MDA, IM just saying if we are in the "What if" game there are lots of them to go around.

Maybe I don't play that game very good or fun to do it with. Not all the scenarios get to play out. If Baron is healthy day one we don't pick up Lin. IF he goes to another team there might not have been linsanity. IF TD was playing well no linsanity. If Shawne Wiliams signs, gets hurt, does not playand still no Novak. If those happen maybe no JR smith

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Knicks really needed to play hardball with Melo. You value the Knicks so much, you come here as an FA. You should prefer coming to a deep team anyway. Otherwise, we'll be fine without you. If we had this team plus Gallo, Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Felton, and our draft picks, we'd be in so much better shape.

AND I think that is what walsh was prepared to do until dolan stepped in and mucked it up..

raven wrote:On a side note, Denver while dealing to many injuries of their own still managed to be 16-2 against the east, while the Knicks were at 28-20.

Don't forget how harder the West still is, the East is still a joke.

+100000000000

KnicksFE wrote:

raven wrote:On a side note, Denver while dealing to many injuries of their own still managed to be 16-2 against the east, while the Knicks were at 28-20.

Don't forget how harder the West still is, the East is still a joke.

+100000000000

And on top of that, those who are dismissing the Lakers should remember that they had a .621 winning % in their first season out of Jax's command. So they had to deal with their own turmoil as well as a very bad shooting season from Kobe as he was injured very early in the season (I read it was his worst shooting % since his rookie season).

The Lakers still got to the 3rd seeed in a stacked West, so don't use the ''shell of team'' or whatever comment too lightly please just to bring down the Nuggets (to whom it may concern, I don't have the time to pick names).

The Nuggets have already proved they belong to the 2nd round and that they're no pushovers. You won't find any analysis or article stating otherwise. I would even dare to say that if they beat the Lakers, OKC would still have trouble dispatching them.

Time will tell.