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K22
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5/9/2012  10:18 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks are not winning a championship anytime soon. This organization is not well run and they will make the mistake of not getting Phil Jackson.
If Jax is available I think he comes to NY.

Will Little Jimmy stay the hell out of his way if he does?

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5/9/2012  10:19 PM
Build the team around Melo, Chandler, and Lin the right way. Look to deal Stoudemire for good role players who can shoot, defend, and/or rebound.

Maybe Stoudemire and Fields to GSW for Lee and Jefferson, who are desperate to mix things up and get star power?
Or send Stoudemire back to PHX for Frye and Dudley to let him and Nash have a last go at it, and we get 2 guys who can stretch the floor.

The talent and the core is there, now it's time to find real pieces that fit.

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5/9/2012  10:25 PM
Knixkik wrote:Build the team around Melo, Chandler, and Lin the right way. Look to deal Stoudemire for good role players who can shoot, defend, and/or rebound.

Maybe Stoudemire and Fields to GSW for Lee and Jefferson, who are desperate to mix things up and get star power?
Or send Stoudemire back to PHX for Frye and Dudley to let him and Nash have a last go at it, and we get 2 guys who can stretch the floor.

The talent and the core is there, now it's time to find real pieces that fit.

So PHX wanted to sign Amre for 3 years, guess what - HE HAS 3 YEARS LEFT! Thats perfect.

However, I believe that there is a chance they might have second thoughts about that

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5/9/2012  10:32 PM
Trade assets for picks. We're not beating the heat for the next 3-5 years. If we want to win a title, we need to plan beyond that.
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5/9/2012  10:56 PM
I think a big key to next year will be Jerome Jordan and Jorts. If Jorts can lose 25 lbs and work on his shot he will be special. His defense is good despite not being the quickest and he just knows how to play the game. Hopefully the weight lost will help him with his explosion and the extra year will give him more confidence. Regarding JJ2 I think he could be a diamond in the ruff. He reminds me of a cross between Hibbert and Bynum but with more explosion. If he can progress and give Tyson some early rest it would be great. Also having a center with a post game and a 10 ft jumper would be a nice bonus.
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5/9/2012  10:57 PM
Sign Steve Nash.
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5/9/2012  10:59 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I think a big key to next year will be Jerome Jordan and Jorts. If Jorts can lose 25 lbs and work on his shot he will be special. His defense is good despite not being the quickest and he just knows how to play the game. Hopefully the weight lost will help him with his explosion and the extra year will give him more confidence. Regarding JJ2 I think he could be a diamond in the ruff. He reminds me of a cross between Hibbert and Bynum but with more explosion. If he can progress and give Tyson some early rest it would be great. Also having a center with a post game and a 10 ft jumper would be a nice bonus.

Jorts? Special?

What-chyu-talkin-bout-willis?

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5/9/2012  11:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think a big key to next year will be Jerome Jordan and Jorts. If Jorts can lose 25 lbs and work on his shot he will be special. His defense is good despite not being the quickest and he just knows how to play the game. Hopefully the weight lost will help him with his explosion and the extra year will give him more confidence. Regarding JJ2 I think he could be a diamond in the ruff. He reminds me of a cross between Hibbert and Bynum but with more explosion. If he can progress and give Tyson some early rest it would be great. Also having a center with a post game and a 10 ft jumper would be a nice bonus.

Jorts? Special?

What-chyu-talkin-bout-willis?


I mean in terms of a back up 4. You need good second team players. A bad one will just hurt you. Also, say he gets his 3 pt to 35-40% with his ability to play D and grab boards how is that not special. I like a team that will keep coming at you when the starters rest.
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5/9/2012  11:08 PM
markvmc wrote:Trade assets for picks. We're not beating the heat for the next 3-5 years. If we want to win a title, we need to plan beyond that.

We are better at the PG and C. If you don't think we can beat them, whatever, but just remember they can experience injuries in the playoffs just like we did. If it takes an injury to them for us to have a clearer path, i am willing to continue with what we have to go for it, and not just fold like you suggest.

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5/9/2012  11:12 PM
BasketballJones wrote:We might have to split up Melo and Amare. Hopefully Lin will be healthy next year. If Lin can build on what he did this year, next year should be interesting. Will we win a championship next year? I don't know about that. These things take time.

This season turned out a lot better than we thought it would early on. Then we got lucky with Linsanity, and lucky that D'Antoni resigned. But we started out the year in a hole, then we started out the series in a hole.

On the plus side, we have made the playoffs two years in a row for the first time in a long time, we've got a promising young point guard, and we won our first playoff game in 11 years.

Great Post...you don't change 10+ years of futility in one year..Moving in the right direction. Now we just need to stay healthy once we get in playoffs.

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5/9/2012  11:13 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Build the team around Melo, Chandler, and Lin the right way. Look to deal Stoudemire for good role players who can shoot, defend, and/or rebound.

Maybe Stoudemire and Fields to GSW for Lee and Jefferson, who are desperate to mix things up and get star power?
Or send Stoudemire back to PHX for Frye and Dudley to let him and Nash have a last go at it, and we get 2 guys who can stretch the floor.

The talent and the core is there, now it's time to find real pieces that fit.

So PHX wanted to sign Amre for 3 years, guess what - HE HAS 3 YEARS LEFT! Thats perfect.

However, I believe that there is a chance they might have second thoughts about that


I may be wrong, but i think Kerr did not want to resign him for 5 years, and he is no longer the GM. Nash wants to play 3 more years, and Amare has 3 years left. Seems to me like a nice, popular move for a small market team to remain relevant the last 3 years of Nash's career. Also, as much as they didn't want Stoudemire at that price, they spent almost as much money overpaying below average role players like Warrick and Childress collectively. I would gladly take one of those off their hands if we get Frye and Dudley also.
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5/9/2012  11:23 PM
Knixkik wrote:
markvmc wrote:Trade assets for picks. We're not beating the heat for the next 3-5 years. If we want to win a title, we need to plan beyond that.

We are better at the PG and C. If you don't think we can beat them, whatever, but just remember they can experience injuries in the playoffs just like we did. If it takes an injury to them for us to have a clearer path, i am willing to continue with what we have to go for it, and not just fold like you suggest.

So your plan is to hope for better teams to have injuries?

It could work.

But realistically, we're 2-4 in the East, with at least 2-3 teams in the West clearly better than us right now. That's a lot of injuries to hope for.

I'd rather put a long term plan in place built around picks.

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5/9/2012  11:24 PM
Surprisingly, I am not disappointed at the end. All I wanted was to see great games, games that were played passionately, games that are enjoying to watch and I actually got that. While I love the Knicks and would be happy to see it win a championship and I know they will, eventually, it doesn't break my heart at all what happened this season. I think they gave their all, even if it was too late.
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5/10/2012  7:50 AM
markvmc wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
markvmc wrote:Trade assets for picks. We're not beating the heat for the next 3-5 years. If we want to win a title, we need to plan beyond that.

We are better at the PG and C. If you don't think we can beat them, whatever, but just remember they can experience injuries in the playoffs just like we did. If it takes an injury to them for us to have a clearer path, i am willing to continue with what we have to go for it, and not just fold like you suggest.

So your plan is to hope for better teams to have injuries?

It could work.

But realistically, we're 2-4 in the East, with at least 2-3 teams in the West clearly better than us right now. That's a lot of injuries to hope for.

I'd rather put a long term plan in place built around picks.

Building around picks takes too much luck. OKC is the only team currently in the league to do it, and they haven't even won anything yet. Dallas taught me something last year. You take your best player and you put players around him that compliment his strengths and hide his weaknesses. That's what we have to do with Anthony.

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5/10/2012  8:36 AM
Knixkik wrote:
markvmc wrote:Trade assets for picks. We're not beating the heat for the next 3-5 years. If we want to win a title, we need to plan beyond that.

We are better at the PG and C. If you don't think we can beat them, whatever, but just remember they can experience injuries in the playoffs just like we did. If it takes an injury to them for us to have a clearer path, i am willing to continue with what we have to go for it, and not just fold like you suggest.


We aren't beating any of the elite teams in a 7 game series.
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5/10/2012  9:04 AM
The NBA is different than all other sports. To win you need transcendent superstars and you get those, essentially, through sheer luck and possibly a warm climate or a series of brutal, losing seasons that end in the hopes of a ping pong ball bouncing your way.

Just look at the top-tier teams: OKC (two max-type players and another borderline max player), Boston (planets had to align to land the big three and only that happened because McHale is a terrible GM and apparently owed someone a favor at TD Garden), San Antonio (the greatest power forward in NBA history, the greatest sixth man in NBA history), Chicago (a perennial MVP and someone who can potentially become the world's best player), the Lakers (the best player on the planet for the last decade or so) and, of course, Miami, a fraud sports town that boasts great weather and a beach full of semi-nude supermodels that benefited from a free agent conspiracy, which caught GMs across the league completely off their guard and forever changed the way free agency applies to superstars.

Teams like the Sixers, Pacers, Jazz, they play hard and have role players and drafted okay, but does anyone really think they're going anywhere? The NBA isn't hockey where grit and determination and physical intimidation can overcome talent, which is why I was always in favor of trying to get high-level talents here. That's what Melo and Amare are, or, at least, what we hope them to be. They may not be enough to ever overcome the Heat and Bulls of the world, but what's the alternative?

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5/10/2012  9:32 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks are not winning a championship anytime soon. This organization is not well run and they will make the mistake of not getting Phil Jackson.
The guy doesnt want to come out of retirement. I mean He said he barely came back for his last year in LA and that was off a championship. I think some have to move on from PJAX unless he comes out and says he wnats to return to coaching

He has already done that multiple times.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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