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Key to offseason--convince Jeremy Lin and possibly even JR Smith to take less
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Jmpasq
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5/5/2012  12:06 PM
blackisblack wrote:^ I agree. At least if Dolan is still a businessman, he would keep the cash cow. As an owner, which do you think will he prioritize more? Ring or Cash? It would be nice to have a ring but it will be cash first. The ring is just a bonus.

What they should do is go after Nash with the mid level but they will give it to the inferior Jeremy Lin. So what if nash is old the Knicks have these core players now stupid not to go all in.

No matter what we do though we are still screwed . The Heat will have another mid level to get yet another great piece. I really believe we are about to see the Heat win as many as they want to in a row. No matter what we do we will always be playing catch up in talent. Another year without a mid level will just widen the gap further and further

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5/5/2012  1:19 PM
the Heat only have the mini MLE, 3.5m or is it 2.5m because they are over the 75m payroll.
this is what Shane Battier took to be a Heat...

This is what we have to worry about with the big contracts after Amare Tyson and Melo....
With Fields, Lin, even Balkman and TD, we will eventually be over the payroll as well.
All these contracts add up and will hinder our ability to use the MLE, leaving us only a mini MLE to use
This is why Briggs knows it is our last chance to use the MLE to acquire talent to the core.
I agree with Briggs, that we that KG is the player we should target because he will add to our defensive core.
He also already has the respect that our Pre Madonna's might not give to a younger player.
For instance, someone like Danny Green from the Spurs, is a great shooter and versatile as well.
But he will not demand the same respect from Melo and Amare.
Garnet can hit that shot from anywhere on the court inside the 3point shot, sets great picks, is versatile *playing the 4 or 5*, RBs ,and plays good defense to compliment Iman and TC.

Would love to add Ak47 to that mix with our Bi Annual Exemption.
He could be used as our stretch 3-5, at his age, with still good length and athleticism, and is still a player that will provide help with shot blocking.
Gaines, is a player I would love to add at the veteran minimum as well.
He has the ability to penetrate, good defensive player, and can guard 1-2 positions, a better version of TD.

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5/5/2012  4:50 PM
Briggs,

I think you are talking to the wrong wallets.

The guys who should be willing to take less dollars are the big three. They know that it will take more than what the 3 of them can't contribute, to get to the top. They also know what the Miami stars did.

I doubt that they want to end up losing in the first round of the playoffs or worse, next year..... .

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5/5/2012  5:11 PM
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5/5/2012  5:20 PM
Players usually take less to play for a serious contender or the reigning champion, not for a squad that looks like it needs a serious overhaul. It would be nice but I don't see it happening.
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5/5/2012  7:36 PM
Key to offseason -- Cut Melo, Rehire Walsh, Apologize to (Rehire) MDA. Keep Woodson as assistant.

Won't happen but that would fix a lot.

Had enough Melo?
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5/5/2012  10:23 PM
The Knicks don't need a serious overhaul. They have talent, now they need some time to put chemistry together. The Knicks have changed the team's major parts every year for like 5 seasons in a row now betwee

What's likely is that the Knicks' roster is similar to the roster that they have right now, except that it's going to have a coach that's better for it than D'Antoni was (whether that's Woody or Jax) and are going to have a training camp. The compressed season is all about who makes it to the end standing up, and in the Eastern Conference that's Miami already. Rose goes down, Howard goes down, Ray Allen goes down, and Miami's got health from all of it's big players.

What the Knicks have on the books is Melo, Stat, Chandler, Douglas, Shumpert (who's now injured), Jorts and Jerome Jordan. The Knicks can also keep Fields without affecting the cap (since they're capped out) and have the first right of refusal of Lin (but anything he keeps goes against the MLE). Let's be honest, though. The Knicks won't get a better player for Lin for the MLE than Lin.

J.R. Smith has a 2.5 million dollar player option that he probably won't use and everyone else can go where they want.

I also think the Knicks will re-sign Jeffries for the LLE.

So It'll be something like this...

Lin
Shumpert
Melo
Stat
Chandler

Fields
Douglas
Jordan
Jeffries
Jorts

On top of that, you could bring back Davis or Bibby for the minimum, but you'd also want a young guy there in case Lin goes down again.

It's a good starting lineup that needs more depth. If everything goes down like this, I'd like to see the Knicks possibly buy into the first round so they can make an acquisition. It's gonna come down to doing really well with the second-round picks and what they can get for the minimum. It's not a prohibitive favorite to beat the Heat, but if that's you're standard you'll never be satisfied. Now, whether or not it can sustain the effort and continue to the turn the corner that it did at the end of last season remains to be seen.

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5/6/2012  2:59 AM
rvwink wrote:Briggs,

I think you are talking to the wrong wallets.

The guys who should be willing to take less dollars are the big three. They know that it will take more than what the 3 of them can't contribute, to get to the top. They also know what the Miami stars did.

I doubt that they want to end up losing in the first round of the playoffs or worse, next year..... .

I might be wrong but I don't they can do that based on the CBA

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5/6/2012  9:46 AM
y2zipper wrote:The Knicks don't need a serious overhaul. They have talent, now they need some time to put chemistry together. The Knicks have changed the team's major parts every year for like 5 seasons in a row now betwee

What's likely is that the Knicks' roster is similar to the roster that they have right now, except that it's going to have a coach that's better for it than D'Antoni was (whether that's Woody or Jax) and are going to have a training camp. The compressed season is all about who makes it to the end standing up, and in the Eastern Conference that's Miami already. Rose goes down, Howard goes down, Ray Allen goes down, and Miami's got health from all of it's big players.

What the Knicks have on the books is Melo, Stat, Chandler, Douglas, Shumpert (who's now injured), Jorts and Jerome Jordan. The Knicks can also keep Fields without affecting the cap (since they're capped out) and have the first right of refusal of Lin (but anything he keeps goes against the MLE). Let's be honest, though. The Knicks won't get a better player for Lin for the MLE than Lin.

J.R. Smith has a 2.5 million dollar player option that he probably won't use and everyone else can go where they want.

I also think the Knicks will re-sign Jeffries for the LLE.

So It'll be something like this...

Lin
Shumpert
Melo
Stat
Chandler

Fields
Douglas
Jordan
Jeffries
Jorts

On top of that, you could bring back Davis or Bibby for the minimum, but you'd also want a young guy there in case Lin goes down again.

It's a good starting lineup that needs more depth. If everything goes down like this, I'd like to see the Knicks possibly buy into the first round so they can make an acquisition. It's gonna come down to doing really well with the second-round picks and what they can get for the minimum. It's not a prohibitive favorite to beat the Heat, but if that's you're standard you'll never be satisfied. Now, whether or not it can sustain the effort and continue to the turn the corner that it did at the end of last season remains to be seen.

That team is still a Bottom Seed in the East. Probably a 7 or 8 seed again.
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5/6/2012  10:12 AM
JR will not stay. But I would be interested in seeing what happens with Novak. He has been bounced around enough and should know a good fit when he is one. We have to keep Lin and Jeffries.
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5/6/2012  11:14 AM
JR is the only player going anywhere..I said earlier in the season that NOVAK siad he will find it hard to play for anyone, just cause of the oppertunity he got here..that was in MDA's offense, that was right after e won the game for us in mini where mda called a play for him that worked like a gem.

Same thing with lin, most of the play off teams have starting pg's, any team that gives him more then the mid level is going to be a non playoff team, in a very small market.

As good as smith is, no team is giving this guy more then 5 mill, most likely a non playoff team.

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5/6/2012  11:16 AM
loweyecue wrote:JR will not stay. But I would be interested in seeing what happens with Novak. He has been bounced around enough and should know a good fit when he is one. We have to keep Lin and Jeffries.

Why Jeffires? I understand what he does but why not let Jorts take the next step. Give Jorts the goal of dropping 25 lbs and let him loose next year.

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5/6/2012  11:23 AM
Really we need to hope this guy is a capable nba player:

Giorgos Printezis (we got his draft rights in the Tyson trade:

He doesn't look impressive on the youtube videos, but he was drafted originally by the Spurs, so that should count for something. 6Ft 9, plays SF and PF (yes I know I'm clutching at straws)

Also this guy who we got the draft rights too as well:

Ahmad Nivins

Though he has been playing in Belgium this year, and hasn't even been dominating there.

Then there's always Andy Rautins! Bet you'd all forgotten about that alleged sharp-shooter! A Novak replacement if ever I saw one...

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5/6/2012  11:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/6/2012  11:32 AM
rvwink wrote:Briggs,

I think you are talking to the wrong wallets.

The guys who should be willing to take less dollars are the big three. They know that it will take more than what the 3 of them can't contribute, to get to the top. They also know what the Miami stars did.

I doubt that they want to end up losing in the first round of the playoffs or worse, next year..... .

Chandler is probably worth his going rate. Im sure another team would pay Carmelo 20mm and while Amare did not play up to his contract this year--he did last year. When you hand out this type of loot--you have to understand that it moves past year 1 and when they agreed to the CBA--they agreed to this team basically as is for years. I don't think you can re-work an NBA contract like the NFL anyway. The team has to make some strategic decisions going 4ward and it would make most sense to go with what we have---tinker and try for improvement. It would be nice if Chandler came back with an improved offensive game--he shoots 68% and has good hands. I really like the idea of moving Amare to a Ginobli/Mchale type 6th man to utilize his offense against 2nd team players. The key is filling out the other spots. A couple of unfortunate circumstances was the lack of development by Fields and Douglas---we need them to be much better. Douglas could fill in for JR Smith on the 2nd unit with improvement from year 1--injuries whatever---I hope fields and Douglas make major improvements. Keep Lin UNLESS there is a deal to good to be true and try to convince him to take less. He makes much more here than anywhere else off the court.

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5/6/2012  11:48 AM
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rvwink wrote:Briggs,

I think you are talking to the wrong wallets.

The guys who should be willing to take less dollars are the big three. They know that it will take more than what the 3 of them can't contribute, to get to the top. They also know what the Miami stars did.

I doubt that they want to end up losing in the first round of the playoffs or worse, next year..... .

Chandler is probably worth his going rate. Im sure another team would pay Carmelo 20mm and while Amare did not play up to his contract this year--he did last year. When you hand out this type of loot--you have to understand that it moves past year 1 and when they agreed to the CBA--they agreed to this team basically as is for years. I don't think you can re-work an NBA contract like the NFL anyway. The team has to make some strategic decisions going 4ward and it would make most sense to go with what we have---tinker and try for improvement. It would be nice if Chandler came back with an improved offensive game--he shoots 68% and has good hands. I really like the idea of moving Amare to a Ginobli/Mchale type 6th man to utilize his offense against 2nd team players. The key is filling out the other spots. A couple of unfortunate circumstances was the lack of development by Fields and Douglas---we need them to be much better. Douglas could fill in for JR Smith on the 2nd unit with improvement from year 1--injuries whatever---I hope fields and Douglas make major improvements. Keep Lin UNLESS there is a deal to good to be true and try to convince him to take less. He makes much more here than anywhere else off the court.

Good post - Only part I disagree with is that Amare did not play up to the contract last year. He tailed off at the end and couldn't show for the playoffs.

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5/6/2012  12:41 PM
knicks1248 wrote:JR is the only player going anywhere..I said earlier in the season that NOVAK siad he will find it hard to play for anyone, just cause of the oppertunity he got here..that was in MDA's offense, that was right after e won the game for us in mini where mda called a play for him that worked like a gem.

Same thing with lin, most of the play off teams have starting pg's, any team that gives him more then the mid level is going to be a non playoff team, in a very small market.

As good as smith is, no team is giving this guy more then 5 mill, most likely a non playoff team.

I have a totally different view on this. JR might stay and pick up his option if Melo can convince him to stay. After all, he is Melo's best friend here, a long time teammate, and the reason why he is playing for Knicks. Plus he gets all the confident from Woody. If Woody returns, JR might return too. Beside Melo, JR is the only player not held accountable for his poor shooting.
JR on Woody: "Over and over, (Woodson) keeps showing his confidence in me. I have to step up and make shots. Coach gives confidence to keep shooting no matter how many I miss."

Noval will flourish under a run-and-gun offense but he will never accomplish under Woody's iso. So he might go.

Lin will get his 5 mils no matter who he plays with. He is that marketable. Dolan would be a fool to let Lin go. Hell, that was why he went after Melo in the first place--to make more money!

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5/6/2012  12:44 PM
muhaha wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:JR is the only player going anywhere..I said earlier in the season that NOVAK siad he will find it hard to play for anyone, just cause of the oppertunity he got here..that was in MDA's offense, that was right after e won the game for us in mini where mda called a play for him that worked like a gem.

Same thing with lin, most of the play off teams have starting pg's, any team that gives him more then the mid level is going to be a non playoff team, in a very small market.

As good as smith is, no team is giving this guy more then 5 mill, most likely a non playoff team.

I have a totally different view on this. JR might stay and pick up his option if Melo can convince him to stay. After all, he is Melo's best friend here, a long time teammate, and the reason why he is playing for Knicks. Plus he gets all the confident from Woody. If Woody returns, JR might return too. Beside Melo, JR is the only player not held accountable for his poor shooting.
JR on Woody: "Over and over, (Woodson) keeps showing his confidence in me. I have to step up and make shots. Coach gives confidence to keep shooting no matter how many I miss."

Noval will flourish under a run-and-gun offense but he will never accomplish under Woody's iso. So he might go.

Lin will get his 5 mils no matter who he plays with. He is that marketable. Dolan would be a fool to let Lin go. Hell, that was why he went after Melo in the first place--to make more money!


When Smith first signed with the Knicks there was a report that Melo didn't want him on the team. I don't know if there was any validity to it but at least one of the beat guys reported it. I hope he is back.
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5/6/2012  1:57 PM
muhaha wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:JR is the only player going anywhere..I said earlier in the season that NOVAK siad he will find it hard to play for anyone, just cause of the oppertunity he got here..that was in MDA's offense, that was right after e won the game for us in mini where mda called a play for him that worked like a gem.

Same thing with lin, most of the play off teams have starting pg's, any team that gives him more then the mid level is going to be a non playoff team, in a very small market.

As good as smith is, no team is giving this guy more then 5 mill, most likely a non playoff team.

I have a totally different view on this. JR might stay and pick up his option if Melo can convince him to stay. After all, he is Melo's best friend here, a long time teammate, and the reason why he is playing for Knicks. Plus he gets all the confident from Woody. If Woody returns, JR might return too. Beside Melo, JR is the only player not held accountable for his poor shooting.
JR on Woody: "Over and over, (Woodson) keeps showing his confidence in me. I have to step up and make shots. Coach gives confidence to keep shooting no matter how many I miss."

Noval will flourish under a run-and-gun offense but he will never accomplish under Woody's iso. So he might go.

Lin will get his 5 mils no matter who he plays with. He is that marketable. Dolan would be a fool to let Lin go. Hell, that was why he went after Melo in the first place--to make more money!

Totally agree with this. As a businessman, it is first and foremost about earnings.

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5/6/2012  2:05 PM
I gotta be honest JR Smith is not that big of a loss. he is very hot and cold and in the playoffs has done nothing. I think Lin is much more important because we saw from this season that having a real good young pg like lin makes this team have a better feel offensively. Im surprised so many people are now down on lin just because he got injured. injuries happened and plus it wasn't a creer threatening injury
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5/6/2012  2:18 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:I gotta be honest JR Smith is not that big of a loss. he is very hot and cold and in the playoffs has done nothing. I think Lin is much more important because we saw from this season that having a real good young pg like lin makes this team have a better feel offensively. Im surprised so many people are now down on lin just because he got injured. injuries happened and plus it wasn't a creer threatening injury

I mostly agree. He is nice to have with Stat and Lin out as he can create his shot anytime. But his lapses are too much, well not for what he is getting paid though. I say we look to draft the best defender with a shot when our selection comes up. From watching the playoffs, Miami in particular, defense rules and all comes off it.

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Key to offseason--convince Jeremy Lin and possibly even JR Smith to take less

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