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Vmart
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5/3/2012  11:20 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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Vmart wrote:That reflects a lack of a PG.

Nonsense.

This reflects the lack of playing as a team. 8 assists is abysmal. Can we stop making excuses? A PG helps matters, but the fact is that there was no ball distribution.

Then that's on the coach.

did you watch the game? the heat put on a defensive clinic and put a body on the knicks on the boards hardcore. knicks played WELL and got blown out. the heat are very very good.

I watched the game and watched the Knicks stand around. No fast break baskets they played scared. Miami played well and the Knicks were right there until LeBron went off in the beginning of the fourth quarter. No one was making shots on the Knicks and everyone was afraid to shoot.
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5/3/2012  11:21 PM
Vmart wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Sharing the ball? To who?

Aside from Melo (7-23):

Starters - 7/21
Bench - 8/25

WE ARE LOADED!

Melo played badly but lets not make believe he had someone to pass to. There is a reason why Fields is wide open all game.

Not to mention Miami only had 11 assists.

Shut up!

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5/3/2012  11:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:i don't think it was "Melo Ball" as much as "No Weapons Left Ball"

Novak hasn't had an open look all series. JR is playing okay, but in way over his head. Baron and Bibby are trying, but have nothing left in the tank. Tyson can't create his own shot. Amar'e is a fool.

Lin or Shumpert would be nice.

Thats because we did not run Novak off screens and curls - hahahahahha - hillarious

the heat have locked in on novak. very wisely. coach spo is good and he's got the horses.

And when he got the ball they attacked him and made him look silly
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5/3/2012  11:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i don't think it was "Melo Ball" as much as "No Weapons Left Ball"

Novak hasn't had an open look all series. JR is playing okay, but in way over his head. Baron and Bibby are trying, but have nothing left in the tank. Tyson can't create his own shot. Amar'e is a fool.

Lin or Shumpert would be nice.

Thats because we did not run Novak off screens and curls - hahahahahha - hillarious

the heat have locked in on novak. very wisely. coach spo is good and he's got the horses.

It is not hard to lock in on a guy who just stands in the corner watching melo ISO. To say he has not gotten an open shot would be true. What was left unsaid in that sentence is that he has been open a whole lot. The problem was no one had court vision to find him on the weakside. The 2 times this series Melo has found Novak on weakside he threw the ball out of bounds in game 2 and today the 3 was wiped away because of a foul.
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5/3/2012  11:37 PM
When Lin and Melo were playing together, Melo let Lin run the offense and it wasn't Iso ball and the team looked legit.

I have hope for next season. Just need to move Amar'e

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5/3/2012  11:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:
I have hope for next season. Just need to move Amar'e

Thats hope?
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5/3/2012  11:39 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
I have hope for next season. Just need to move Amar'e

Thats hope?

i agree with the contingent that says bring amar'e off the bench as a 6th man. i think that would work.

he just shouldn't start.

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5/3/2012  11:46 PM
The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!
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5/3/2012  11:48 PM
nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

Yeah - I guess thats the "only" reason that their "D" worked
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5/3/2012  11:51 PM
nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

are you watching the heat defend right now? they're practically steering the knicks where they want them to go and shutting down the passing lanes. knicks have nothing at PG whatsoever. almost everytime the knicks attempted to swing the ball, the heat stole it and ran the other way.

someone said the knicks were afraid to shoot... i think they were afraid to pass, too. the heat play swarming, intimidating defense. it was great d. and the knicks are down 3 key players. it's a bad matchup even at full strength. what does anyone want from this series?

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5/3/2012  11:55 PM
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nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

Yeah - I guess thats the "only" reason that their "D" worked

You can mock it all u want but the Knicks made it easier for the Heat! If u think it's of no consequence whether you have good ball and player movement verses just standing still and going ISO then there's no need talking to u cuz you don't know squat!!! You offer nothing to refute what I'm saying and it doesn't mean the Knicks would win just by executing better but they have NO CHANCE if they don't play better team oriented offense.
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5/3/2012  11:56 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

Yeah - I guess thats the "only" reason that their "D" worked

You can mock it all u want but the Knicks made it easier for the Heat! If u think it's of no consequence whether you have good ball and player movement verses just standing still and going ISO then there's no need talking to u cuz you don't know squat!!! You offer nothing to refute what I'm saying and it doesn't mean the Knicks would win just by executing better but they have NO CHANCE if they don't play better team oriented offense.

amar'e certainly made it easier for the heat by punching a piece of glass. the knicks have nothing left. second, third, fourth leading scorers all done for the year. and melo is still called selfish. SMFH

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5/4/2012  12:02 AM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

Yeah - I guess thats the "only" reason that their "D" worked

You can mock it all u want but the Knicks made it easier for the Heat! If u think it's of no consequence whether you have good ball and player movement verses just standing still and going ISO then there's no need talking to u cuz you don't know squat!!! You offer nothing to refute what I'm saying and it doesn't mean the Knicks would win just by executing better but they have NO CHANCE if they don't play better team oriented offense.

amar'e certainly made it easier for the heat by punching a piece of glass. the knicks have nothing left. second, third, fourth leading scorers all done for the year. and melo is still called selfish. SMFH

Who called Melo selfish? This is on Woody. Melo can't beat the Heat by himself so some kind of plan to get others off was needed. Lebron and Wade don't even need help and yet they get picks set for them to get easier shots and they used them to gain an edge and setup open teammates. The is what MDA had in mind for Melo too. Melo got what he wanted and so what can he say except he couldn't hit the many shots he did get and his team needed him to hit.
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5/4/2012  12:02 AM
Dallas getting embarrassed at home now and it looks like they are getting swept too.

Too much ISO for Dirk and not enough ball movement IMHO
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5/4/2012  2:06 AM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:The only reason the Heat D worked on our perimeter guys is because we didn't have Ball n Player movement. The Knicks actually have plays with lots of movement that would work better and give open looks to Novack. They ran one curl for Melo and he iced an open jay. They didn't set any screens for Novak and he is more than capable of catching the ball and shooting after getting good screens. Woody abandoned that offense!

Yeah - I guess thats the "only" reason that their "D" worked

You can mock it all u want but the Knicks made it easier for the Heat! If u think it's of no consequence whether you have good ball and player movement verses just standing still and going ISO then there's no need talking to u cuz you don't know squat!!! You offer nothing to refute what I'm saying and it doesn't mean the Knicks would win just by executing better but they have NO CHANCE if they don't play better team oriented offense.

amar'e certainly made it easier for the heat by punching a piece of glass. the knicks have nothing left. second, third, fourth leading scorers all done for the year. and melo is still called selfish. SMFH

Who called Melo selfish? This is on Woody. Melo can't beat the Heat by himself so some kind of plan to get others off was needed. Lebron and Wade don't even need help and yet they get picks set for them to get easier shots and they used them to gain an edge and setup open teammates. The is what MDA had in mind for Melo too. Melo got what he wanted and so what can he say except he couldn't hit the many shots he did get and his team needed him to hit.

Stop kidding yourself. Melo is a selfish player.
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5/4/2012  6:27 AM
The one guy on our team who can shoot consistently had 2 shots. Yeah, Novak in 20+ minutes had two shots. I saw so many times when Melo was in the mid range area and got doubled that Novak was open. Melo had his head down, was dribbling to get even closer and generally miss. Why not use the doubles to create shots for Novak or others? I mean this is also on Woody. At least we would have had some open shots if Melo had been a bit creative and used what Miami gave him as a consequence of the doubles.
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5/4/2012  8:02 AM
I guess we can put to rest the Melo "cancels" Lebron.

Our team is built around flawed players and there isnt a team concept that can cover them

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5/4/2012  8:05 AM
Sounds like the description of a starphucked team!
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5/4/2012  8:42 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:The one guy on our team who can shoot consistently had 2 shots. Yeah, Novak in 20+ minutes had two shots. I saw so many times when Melo was in the mid range area and got doubled that Novak was open. Melo had his head down, was dribbling to get even closer and generally miss. Why not use the doubles to create shots for Novak or others? I mean this is also on Woody. At least we would have had some open shots if Melo had been a bit creative and used what Miami gave him as a consequence of the doubles.

Novak could also run around the court to get open instead of just standing behind the 3PT line. The guy is useless unless he's wide open.

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5/4/2012  8:48 AM
CashMoney wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:The one guy on our team who can shoot consistently had 2 shots. Yeah, Novak in 20+ minutes had two shots. I saw so many times when Melo was in the mid range area and got doubled that Novak was open. Melo had his head down, was dribbling to get even closer and generally miss. Why not use the doubles to create shots for Novak or others? I mean this is also on Woody. At least we would have had some open shots if Melo had been a bit creative and used what Miami gave him as a consequence of the doubles.

Novak could also run around the court to get open instead of just standing behind the 3PT line. The guy is useless unless he's wide open.

I love it. MDA is here its a 3 point chucking team. Now we can get Novak shots. Ahh... life in Knick land.
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