KnicksFE wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This is a simple answer. The culrpti is injuries. How in the hell do you beat the defending eastern conference champs with 1 freaking player?! The answer is you don't!

Woody with a full training camp and a healthy team gets us a 4 seed easy!

A 4 Seed? Huh? IS that the goal of this team? Sorry...not on board with that.

you gotta start somewhere.
Fans expectations have no bearing on the outcome.

We already started last season after we got STAT, Melo and made the playoffss, we just haven't advance since than.

It takes time to build a team. Yeah we have STAT and Melo but look at all the new pieces that were brough it this year. We're going to be missing some of those pieces going into next year and will have new pieces to introduce. This year was fun and it sucks that it will end this way but we still have a core to build a team around.

CashMoney wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This is a simple answer. The culrpti is injuries. How in the hell do you beat the defending eastern conference champs with 1 freaking player?! The answer is you don't!

Woody with a full training camp and a healthy team gets us a 4 seed easy!

A 4 Seed? Huh? IS that the goal of this team? Sorry...not on board with that.

you gotta start somewhere.
Fans expectations have no bearing on the outcome.

We already started last season after we got STAT, Melo and made the playoffss, we just haven't advance since than.

It takes time to build a team. Yeah we have STAT and Melo but look at all the new pieces that were brough it this year. We're going to be missing some of those pieces going into next year and will have new pieces to introduce. This year was fun and it sucks that it will end this way but we still have a core to build a team around.

Agree, it takes time to build a contending team, but its not like we just traded for Melo and STAT and they haven't play together much, for whatever reason we just didn't grow as a team this year. The good thing is that both are still young and I hope they prepare themselves mentally and physically for next season.

Jmpasq wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:Some people are talkin like the pre trade Knicks sucked. They were good when they were here. One of the top offensive teams in the league! They played team ball, and were developing nicely. Hell, even
STAT was a canidate for league MVP! They were fun to watch and the ceiling was high. Just needed a few more pieces, and more time to grow and get more cohesion. Then the trade rumors started flowing and everything went the sh***! We traded all those players for a "me first" player and put him with a "team first" coach. Dolan should've listen to Walsh and just add on to the team we had. Melo not going to.win a championship just like in Denver, cause he doesn't play team ball. He's a stat whore and is content as long as he gets his even if it means going 5-25. He proved that by running out a coach that played team BB. I hated the trade then and more so now. You don't gut a good, developing team for a player like Melo. Lebron or Kobe? I can see, but not Melo.

Come on we traded role players for essentially 1 of the best scorers in the NBA and the DPOY.

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:1- Dolan is trying to at least attempt to win a championship here. The Nets would have pulled the trigger on Melo if we hadnt. Then we be stuck with Gallo(choke artist), Chandler(Mr Glass), Mozgov (Bench warmer), Randolph (bench warmer). If it isnt clear to you yet we FLEECED Denver big time. Pretty sure we could flip Melo straight up right now for Williams OR Howard.

2- Melo forced the Knicks to trade for him? Sure he did.

3- Woodson running the same offense he did in Atlanta. Basically the Knicks shouldnt even have been in the playoffs unless Woodson put the ball in Melo's hands and let him go to work. Rick Adelman is a great coach and the T-Wolves are sitting at home right now.

4- PG's and C's come at a premium. Knicks went for the available Center who was coming off a championship. Nothing wrong with that. I dont recall any good young PG's being available for us to sign.

5- Whether Stat was hurt or not wouldnt have helped. Bosh would have played him to a stalemate and we'd still have lost.

agree with all this.

we also lucked into a pretty decent young PG.

next season is all about the development of shump and lin and getting melo to play team ball and getting amar'e to be 6th man or trade him.

If the last 2 goals are what you expect to happen - you setting youself for big dissapointmets.
Melo will never play team ball (too late to change his game - he is not spring chicken).
Nobody put 100 mils to the bench unless this is Eddy Curry... And nobody will trade for uninsured always hurt aging player who cannot defend anything faster that Josh Harelson.

PJax got Kobe to play sort of team ball - I think he can work with Melo - Rivers got PP to play team ball.

Melo needs to change his mindset and approach to the game because if he doesn’t, it won’t matter what position we upgrade or how much our youngsters develop, we will continue to fail every year with this type of ME basketball.
I hope either PJax or Rivers somehow decide to coach this team next year, because there is no question that our best player doesn't have a clue of what team ball is all about, and after 10 years of constantly failing in the playoffs, I would assume that he would have learned his lesson by now.

It doesn't take a genius to see that melo was and is not playing to win the championship. I can't wait to see the headlines about him and MDA in this summers Olympics.

Now you are salivating about signing Phil Jackson? When will the circus end?

This team is one of the worst teams in all of sports. How does that make you feel?

I feel sick.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I don't think there really has been a debacle. I think this team has performed up to its potential as currently constructed (especially considering injuries to key players) against a clearly superior team. I don't know what stat has left, but I don't favor blowing up the team or making major changes to the roster. We do need a coach that can get the most out of these guys. I really don't know about Woodson. His Melo-ISO strategy worked to get a winning record, but I don't know how flexible he might be in trying to develop a richer set of options. Phil Jackson sounds perfect but I find it hard to believe he would want to come here.

They have played up to their potential. That is the debacle.

That ISO-Melo stuff was fools gold. It's no way to win in the playoffs and many of us have been saying that for a while now. There are other things this team could've been doing but it was Woody who decided to scrap the offense this team needed to play in order for the REST of the team to have any chance to contribute. When you stop practicing ball and player movement, you can't just turn it on in the playoffs and expect the players to execute.

Dolan got what he wanted. He wanted Melo ball and so he got that. I can't help but think that he was getting advice from Isiah when I see how things went down this year. We started this plan with Walsh and MDA and ended with Grunwald and Woody, both Isiah's buddies and old teammates. Are we supposed to think that was a coincidence? I have zero faith that Phil Jackson will be brought in given the amount of control Dolan wants to have over the team. He hated how Walsh opened up the franchise to the press and was making decisions that weren't sensational enough, so he butted in and took over the Melo negotiations and here we are. In the end it's always been about Dolan.