mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Travla wrote:I think they WILL win Thursday. Melo needs to get about 30 (but not with 30 shots). The biggest thing he needs to KNOW is with the defense coming at him, he can also set up others and get about 10 or more assists. Novak needs more than 3 shots. Same with J.R., score but get others involved. Knicks need about 30 assists, everybody needs to rebound and get to the free throw line. Don't just do what Miami expects, surprise and confuse them.

I agree. The Knicks have been running some pretty bad offense only in spurts have they really been disciplined and moved the ball as they should. We need to force the Heat to guard the entire floor and keep the ball moving until we get a good shot. There have been open players but Melo has tended to force shots rather than pass to the open man. We can't go another game without getting Novak a ton of open looks.

Misterearl put it best to you:

Fix The Knicks Offense

Save the silly strategy diagrams and video clips. Save the unfavorable matchups for another day.

Please save the amateur armchair coaching.

Find Mike Woodson an aggressive and healthy point guard.

It ain't that deep.

IT only seems simple in you and Misterearl's mind. What good does it do to suggest the obvious but impossible solution??? Anyone could come up with that. Since we dont' know when Lin might be healthy enough to play and even if he did how effective he would be, you need REALISTIC solutions to the problems this team has had. Most of it was that they haven't stuck with what works. They start off moving and sharing the ball, but then they fall back on LAZY BB. Only in your non statistical world, where you don't have to back up what you say, does the Team Oriented approach not make sense.

Everyone else that knows what the hell their talking about and has looked at the numbers knows that this team needs to keep moving, spacing the floor and sharing the ball in order to get better shots and get everyone involved in the offense. I don't know what you and Misterearl are even suggesting that would trump that suggestion. I love for either of you to show us a better plan with the players we have available right now.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Travla wrote:I think they WILL win Thursday. Melo needs to get about 30 (but not with 30 shots). The biggest thing he needs to KNOW is with the defense coming at him, he can also set up others and get about 10 or more assists. Novak needs more than 3 shots. Same with J.R., score but get others involved. Knicks need about 30 assists, everybody needs to rebound and get to the free throw line. Don't just do what Miami expects, surprise and confuse them.

I agree. The Knicks have been running some pretty bad offense only in spurts have they really been disciplined and moved the ball as they should. We need to force the Heat to guard the entire floor and keep the ball moving until we get a good shot. There have been open players but Melo has tended to force shots rather than pass to the open man. We can't go another game without getting Novak a ton of open looks.

Misterearl put it best to you:

Fix The Knicks Offense

Save the silly strategy diagrams and video clips. Save the unfavorable matchups for another day.

Please save the amateur armchair coaching.

Find Mike Woodson an aggressive and healthy point guard.

It ain't that deep.

IT only seems simple in you and Misterearl's mind. What good does it do to suggest the obvious but impossible solution??? Anyone could come up with that. Since we dont' know when Lin might be healthy enough to play and even if he did how effective he would be, you need REALISTIC solutions to the problems this team has had. Most of it was that they haven't stuck with what works. They start off moving and sharing the ball, but then they fall back on LAZY BB. Only in your non statistical world, where you don't have to back up what you say, does the Team Oriented approach not make sense.

Everyone else that knows what the hell their talking about and has looked at the numbers knows that this team needs to keep moving, spacing the floor and sharing the ball in order to get better shots and get everyone involved in the offense. I don't know what you and Misterearl are even suggesting that would trump that suggestion. I love for either of you to show us a better plan with the players we have available right now.

Thats because there is no PLAN for us to go into Miami and win with our stinky PG's.

Please draw me some nice pictures and diagrams to show me how the Brooklyn Nets can go into Miami and win.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Travla wrote:I think they WILL win Thursday. Melo needs to get about 30 (but not with 30 shots). The biggest thing he needs to KNOW is with the defense coming at him, he can also set up others and get about 10 or more assists. Novak needs more than 3 shots. Same with J.R., score but get others involved. Knicks need about 30 assists, everybody needs to rebound and get to the free throw line. Don't just do what Miami expects, surprise and confuse them.

I agree. The Knicks have been running some pretty bad offense only in spurts have they really been disciplined and moved the ball as they should. We need to force the Heat to guard the entire floor and keep the ball moving until we get a good shot. There have been open players but Melo has tended to force shots rather than pass to the open man. We can't go another game without getting Novak a ton of open looks.

Misterearl put it best to you:

Fix The Knicks Offense

Save the silly strategy diagrams and video clips. Save the unfavorable matchups for another day.

Please save the amateur armchair coaching.

Find Mike Woodson an aggressive and healthy point guard.

It ain't that deep.

IT only seems simple in you and Misterearl's mind. What good does it do to suggest the obvious but impossible solution??? Anyone could come up with that. Since we dont' know when Lin might be healthy enough to play and even if he did how effective he would be, you need REALISTIC solutions to the problems this team has had. Most of it was that they haven't stuck with what works. They start off moving and sharing the ball, but then they fall back on LAZY BB. Only in your non statistical world, where you don't have to back up what you say, does the Team Oriented approach not make sense.

Everyone else that knows what the hell their talking about and has looked at the numbers knows that this team needs to keep moving, spacing the floor and sharing the ball in order to get better shots and get everyone involved in the offense. I don't know what you and Misterearl are even suggesting that would trump that suggestion. I love for either of you to show us a better plan with the players we have available right now.

Thats because there is no PLAN for us to go into Miami and win with our stinky PG's.

Please draw me some nice pictures and diagrams to show me how the Brooklyn Nets can go into Miami and win.

Do you think this is how Woody is looking at the situation? We all know that Miami is better, but you talk like a team has never beaten a superior team before. Clearly you wouldn't suggest that there's no scenario under which the Knicks could win a game against the Heat? We have to explore whatever strengths this team has left and find a way to exploit those strengths and work harder to take away what the Heat want to do. I'm certainly not ready to concede the series just because we don't have young and quick PG's. There's more to the game than that. There have been teams that won without breakdown PG's.

As usual you make a dumb assertion to try and make my argument sound ridiculous, but who is talking about the Nets beating the Heat. This is about this Knicks team that still has home games to play and still has some talent on the roster to play with. They've got to find a way to compete with what they have and get more out of the players left. You're not saying anything but the obvious, which is that the Heat are the better team. Please come up with something else more substantive or just don't say anything at all.

Ha! I am the dumb one Mr Rain Man!

Thinking that your stupid out of context diagrams and (MDA) wisdom can tell us how to beat the Heat with all our issues in Miami? GENIUS, its called a miracle!

We can win at home I think but not unless you send Woody another one of your dumb talking points - hahahahaha

Uptown wrote:Heat shoot over 50% abd score over 100 pts twice which is a ton in this yrs playoffs, and still we are talking about offense? This is the backwards MDA logic. In game 2, Melo didn play any different that he did during the month of April and we won most of the games because we gave up about 89 per. Fix the defense, and we will hang around with a shot to steal it in the end.

Sounds about right to me, but then I am not a basketball scientist like Dr. Bonn, nixluva or MrKnickShot.

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:Heat shoot over 50% and score over 100 pts twice which is a ton in this yrs playoffs, and still we are talking about offense? This is the backwards MDA logic. In game 2, Melo didn play any different than he did during the month of April and we won most of the games because we gave up about 89 per. Fix the defense, and we will hang around with a shot to steal it in the end.

I agree about the D, which hasn't been good, but at the same time the offense has to improve if you really hope to beat the Heat. It's not like we all don't think they need to play harder on D!!! We all saw how STAT and JR just stood there and watched Chalmers jay a 3 in their faces and how the team as a whole wasn't closing off penetration as a team or blocking out on rebounds. Trust me NONE of that is being ignored. However that is mostly an effort thing and there's not much technically that you can suggest to fix that other than Woody making a few tactical changes to how we're defending like A Zone or less switching and trapping.

The conversation turns to offense because that's one area where the team has been wasting possessions and allowing the Heat to get out and run. We also lost Shump which is a HUGE part of our perimeter defense. I think the D will improve with a Healthier TYSON and Jared. They needed the days off. Plus being home I expect a higher energy level from the team on D overall. Fixing the D is MUCH easier than the offense which has been bad for a long time now, but it's just as important to make it more efficient. Hopefully if we can get more stops and blocks, Rebounds & steals that can lead to more easy offense for this team. So yes I agree that the D needs to improve.

I think our offense is fine considering we dont have a PG that can consistantly get into the paint and collapse the defense which opens up kick-outs and drop-offs to baseline cutters. Would have liked to see Woody put Melo and Stat in PNR more in game 2 and make the Heat make a decision.

Now, is our offense pretty to watch? We certainly dont run the Sacramento Kings Princeton-style offense, but like I mentioned earlier, without a PG, for the most part we run an offense that somewhat caters to our remaining rosters minus a few tweaks that Woody can employ. But again, this is no longer a big mans league, its a point guard/playmaker league and without one, your offense will stall from time to time.

When the Miami Heat aren't fastbreaking, their halfcourt offense is predictable and somewhat uninspiring the same way some of you guys say our offense is. Lebron and Wade take turns running PNR's and isoing. And that works for them because, first, they have elite scorers/playmakers that are impossible to stop and 2, they play amazing defense. We have a player in Melo that is similar to Wade and Lebron on the offensive end in terms of being an unstoppable scorer. So why not use him in that role? However, he is not the same level playmaker that Lebron and Wade are. No knock on Melo, thats just not his game. He's a scorer like Bernard King, so he needs a pg to fill the role of playmaker, unfortunately for us, our PG is in street clothes. Knowing we are short handed on the offensive side of the ball, we need to step it up on the defensive end and we haven't. We've gone backwards and thats whats killing us.

Agian, lets not get caught up in desinging fancy plays on the offensive end. You design your play book to fit the personel. Our beloved Knicks of the 90's were an eyesore on offense, but the amazing defense they played allowed them to win games and thats all that counts. The Bulls, even with Rose are not reinventing the offensive wheel, but hustle and defense wins for them. If we can dig in on defense, win the hustle points, we will be in every game.

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Uptown wrote:Heat shoot over 50% and score over 100 pts twice which is a ton in this yrs playoffs, and still we are talking about offense? This is the backwards MDA logic. In game 2, Melo didn play any different than he did during the month of April and we won most of the games because we gave up about 89 per. Fix the defense, and we will hang around with a shot to steal it in the end.

I agree about the D, which hasn't been good, but at the same time the offense has to improve if you really hope to beat the Heat. It's not like we all don't think they need to play harder on D!!! We all saw how STAT and JR just stood there and watched Chalmers jay a 3 in their faces and how the team as a whole wasn't closing off penetration as a team or blocking out on rebounds. Trust me NONE of that is being ignored. However that is mostly an effort thing and there's not much technically that you can suggest to fix that other than Woody making a few tactical changes to how we're defending like A Zone or less switching and trapping.

The conversation turns to offense because that's one area where the team has been wasting possessions and allowing the Heat to get out and run. We also lost Shump which is a HUGE part of our perimeter defense. I think the D will improve with a Healthier TYSON and Jared. They needed the days off. Plus being home I expect a higher energy level from the team on D overall. Fixing the D is MUCH easier than the offense which has been bad for a long time now, but it's just as important to make it more efficient. Hopefully if we can get more stops and blocks, Rebounds & steals that can lead to more easy offense for this team. So yes I agree that the D needs to improve.

I think our offense is fine considering we dont have a PG that can consistantly get into the paint and collapse the defense which opens up kick-outs and drop-offs to baseline cutters. Would have liked to see Woody put Melo and Stat in PNR more in game 2 and make the Heat make a decision.

Now, is our offense pretty to watch? We certainly dont run the Sacramento Kings Princeton-style offense, but like I mentioned earlier, without a PG, for the most part we run an offense that somewhat caters to our remaining rosters minus a few tweaks that Woody can employ. But again, this is no longer a big mans league, its a point guard/playmaker league and without one, your offense will stall from time to time.

When the Miami Heat aren't fastbreaking, their halfcourt offense is predictable and somewhat uninspiring the same way some of you guys say our offense is. Lebron and Wade take turns running PNR's and isoing. And that works for them because, first, they have elite scorers/playmakers that are impossible to stop and 2, they play amazing defense. We have a player in Melo that is similar to Wade and Lebron on the offensive end in terms of being an unstoppable scorer. So why not use him in that role? However, he is not the same level playmaker that Lebron and Wade are. No knock on Melo, thats just not his game. He's a scorer like Bernard King, so he needs a pg to fill the role of playmaker, unfortunately for us, our PG is in street clothes. Knowing we are short handed on the offensive side of the ball, we need to step it up on the defensive end and we haven't. We've gone backwards and thats whats killing us.

Agian, lets not get caught up in desinging fancy plays on the offensive end. You design your play book to fit the personel. Our beloved Knicks of the 90's were an eyesore on offense, but the amazing defense they played allowed them to win games and thats all that counts. The Bulls, even with Rose are not reinventing the offensive wheel, but hustle and defense wins for them. If we can dig in on defense, win the hustle points, we will be in every game.

I've said this for a long time now even when this team was winning and that is we are not going to out defense the Heat to a win in this series. I've said that when this team faces a team that plays defense just as well as we do, that this will cancel out and the remaining issue will be who plays the more efficient offense. You should expect this team to play better defense than it has, but even if they pick it up tremendously, they will have to score MUCH more efficiently than they have so far in this series. Defense is only half of the game, you still have to put the ball in the basket.

If we're doing things right, this team should get more trips to the foul line than they have so far too. The Heat are going to live there due to having Lebron and Wade constantly attacking. This Knicks team also has to get much more aggressive and force the Heat to defend the basket, penetration and the 3pt line. So far we've made it easy for them with too much ISO and not enough ball and player movement. Even if this team plays the Heat even on D, which would take a lot minus Shump and with our PG's, the Knicks will have no choice but to be a more efficient offensive team. However, I do agree that part of being more efficient will be due to better defense, which may lead to a few more easy scores on the other end.

franco12 wrote:this team is mentally soft. I think not only does everyone but Chandler think this is over in 4, I don't think anyone of them seriously believes they can win one game.

Get the brooms out.

What evidence do you have to support this theory?

franco12 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

franco12 wrote:this team is mentally soft. I think not only does everyone but Chandler think this is over in 4, I don't think anyone of them seriously believes they can win one game.

Get the brooms out.

What evidence do you have to support this theory?

box scores from game 1 & 2.

Opinion, based on personal observation.

I hope they prove me wrong, and gut out two wins, and maybe even force this to 7.

I don't see that happening.

I would love to be wrong. Im gonna watch tonight and hope, but when the Heat start taking control Im going to be thinking the same thing everyone else on that team will be... here we go again.

franco12 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

franco12 wrote:this team is mentally soft. I think not only does everyone but Chandler think this is over in 4, I don't think anyone of them seriously believes they can win one game.

Get the brooms out.

What evidence do you have to support this theory?

box scores from game 1 & 2.

Opinion, based on personal observation.

I hope they prove me wrong, and gut out two wins, and maybe even force this to 7.

I don't see that happening.

WHow could you look at a box score and assume Chandler is the only one that cares when he's not done much? Also, how does stats allow you to get into the mind of a player? Are you looking at body language again? How about you listen to what they are saying. Melo seems to believe we still have a shot if you've been reading his comments.

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

franco12 wrote:this team is mentally soft. I think not only does everyone but Chandler think this is over in 4, I don't think anyone of them seriously believes they can win one game.

Get the brooms out.

And what has Mr Chandler done for us in the series? Oh right he had a virus - I don't really remember MJ or Patrick or Hakeem or Larry with the flu crapping out in the playoffs.

I remember when MJ had the flu and was dehydrated on the bench almost passing out and he had an heroic game - not 0 points - just sayin ...

yea... speaking of agendas. The guy plays his butt off all year, wins DPOY and is quarenteened from the team and taking IVs for 2 days but yea... lets blame the Heat using the Knicks on Tyson Chandler. Good stuff.

Yea, he hasn't being dominant, but I can’t say enough good things about our boy Chandler, what a leader, great defender, hard and soul of this team without question.