MSG3 wrote:

markvmc wrote:Not another full year. I'm personally convinced that Stat/Melo can't play well together. I'd be willing to give it up until the trade deadline next season, but if it's not clearly working by then, one of them has to go.

I'm on this train.

I would like to have a full year with most of the squad having a chance to build chemistry. So if the Melo-Stat marriage is gonna be split, I hope it happens during the offseason and they leave the team alone to grow together.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

The Knicks are dealing with more injuries to key players than anybody else in the playoffs. Our best point guard is out,our best perimeter defender is out,our second best defending big man is playing on one leg in limited minutes,the defensive player of the year is playing sick as a dog, and out #2 scorer is now out. Any other teams have those kind of injuries?

My observation is not just for the playoff my friend; it is for the entire season, I just wonder how come some teams lose their best player for the season and still win a bunch of games yet we lose our role players and we can’t even play organize ball. I understand we are not winning the series against the Heats, but again WHAT ARE PLAYING?

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls lost Rose and is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

So Chandler scored 0 points in game one - was he sick or does he suck? Or, just a prick?

Chicago is not Playing Miami, and this is a testament to how good Chicago is that Rose goes out and they are still great. Do we have their depth? Size?

Orlando is playing Indiana not Miami and are going nowhere without Howard (though I am rooting like heck that they do)

Memphis - we overcame far more than Memphis do get where we are. How good is their psyche when you get outscored 27-3 to lose at HOME!!

Atlanta has great guard play and depth - they too are not playing Miami

Clippers - Chris Paul, Blake Griffin - nuff said

Heck! Chicago lost Michael Jordan and still made it to the ECF and if not for a bad call they woulda won it all! Wanna know why? Because without Jordan, they were still great!

How did we do when we had Lin and went into Miami? HORRIBLE!

18-6 is great but we did not beat Miami at home during that stretch. Schedule is needed to grasp context - does Linsanity prove that we could go into Miami and play well? Of course not because the Linsanity schedule stunk!

None of the teams you mentioned can be compared to the knicks and what they are dealing with.

Nalod wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:I was saying tthe same thing to my friend, a fellow Knicks fan, on the phone last night. Compared to the Knicks teams of the 90's and early 70's, this team is not as mentally resilient.

It's a damn shame, but it's something that I noticed is more league-wide. Men in general in this country aren't as mentally strong as they used to be. When we see in the NBA and on the Knicks is just a microcosm of that.

You see the pastel colors men wear in the stands during the game yesterday.

Men don't dress like that.

You see the botox plastic surgery mutant women sitting next to the knick bench yesterday. Two ugly blond women just hidious in their look.

That was dont to repulse our team.

It worked. They wuz ugly!

IrishKnickFan wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

The Knicks are dealing with more injuries to key players than anybody else in the playoffs. Our best point guard is out,our best perimeter defender is out,our second best defending big man is playing on one leg in limited minutes,the defensive player of the year is playing sick as a dog, and out #2 scorer is now out. Any other teams have those kind of injuries?

My observation is not just for the playoff my friend; it is for the entire season, I just wonder how come some teams lose their best player for the season and still win a bunch of games yet we lose our role players and we can’t even play organize ball. I understand we are not winning the series against the Heats, but again WHAT ARE PLAYING?

Actually if you look back we seemed to win more games when we had injuries. During linsanity and the last part of the season when lin and amare were out

During Linsanity, we played a chit schedule - with Lin out during the final stretch, we did not play IN Miami - unless I am forgetting something.

What was similar is the last time we played in Miami.

Now, if we are not competitive in NY, that would cost Woody his job and rightfully so.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

The Knicks are dealing with more injuries to key players than anybody else in the playoffs. Our best point guard is out,our best perimeter defender is out,our second best defending big man is playing on one leg in limited minutes,the defensive player of the year is playing sick as a dog, and out #2 scorer is now out. Any other teams have those kind of injuries?

My observation is not just for the playoff my friend; it is for the entire season, I just wonder how come some teams lose their best player for the season and still win a bunch of games yet we lose our role players and we can’t even play organize ball. I understand we are not winning the series against the Heats, but again WHAT ARE PLAYING?

Actually if you look back we seemed to win more games when we had injuries. During linsanity and the last part of the season when lin and amare were out

During Linsanity, we played a chit schedule - with Lin out during the final stretch, we did not play IN Miami - unless I am forgetting something.

What was similar is the last time we played in Miami.

Now, if we are not competitive in NY, that would cost Woody his job and rightfully so.

Exactly against the heat we need guys like shump,chandler,and jj healthy in order to be competitive

Yes. And a PG would be nice - any DECENT PG. How about Ramon Sessions? Or even Norris Cole? Or even one of the D-League Chicago guards?

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls lost Rose and is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

So Chandler scored 0 points in game one - was he sick or does he suck? Or, just a prick?

Chicago is not Playing Miami, and this is a testament to how good Chicago is that Rose goes out and they are still great. Do we have their depth? Size?

Orlando is playing Indiana not Miami and are going nowhere without Howard (though I am rooting like heck that they do)

Memphis - we overcame far more than Memphis do get where we are. How good is their psyche when you get outscored 27-3 to lose at HOME!!

Atlanta has great guard play and depth - they too are not playing Miami

Clippers - Chris Paul, Blake Griffin - nuff said

Heck! Chicago lost Michael Jordan and still made it to the ECF and if not for a bad call they woulda won it all! Wanna know why? Because without Jordan, they were still great!

How did we do when we had Lin and went into Miami? HORRIBLE!

18-6 is great but we did not beat Miami at home during that stretch. Schedule is needed to grasp context - does Linsanity prove that we could go into Miami and play well? Of course not because the Linsanity schedule stunk!

None of the teams you mentioned can be compared to the knicks and what they are dealing with.

Really why? because teams lost their best player and still win games, yet we can't even be competitive with our best player being 100% healthy and clearly being out play.

And why are you bringing Linsanity now? He is not playing my friend, he is not the one shooting 36% FG, nor is he the one that punched an extinguisher, damaged his hand and is out for the rest of the series. Move on.

As far as Chicago making it to the ECF, they had Pippen a true difference maker.

Thats all they had? Pippen? Funny man!

teams losing their best player and still being competitive is a testament to their depth!

Linsanity is to point out stupid comparisons that completely disregard context / place / time.

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls lost Rose and is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

So Chandler scored 0 points in game one - was he sick or does he suck? Or, just a prick?

Chicago is not Playing Miami, and this is a testament to how good Chicago is that Rose goes out and they are still great. Do we have their depth? Size?

Orlando is playing Indiana not Miami and are going nowhere without Howard (though I am rooting like heck that they do)

Memphis - we overcame far more than Memphis do get where we are. How good is their psyche when you get outscored 27-3 to lose at HOME!!

Atlanta has great guard play and depth - they too are not playing Miami

Clippers - Chris Paul, Blake Griffin - nuff said

Heck! Chicago lost Michael Jordan and still made it to the ECF and if not for a bad call they woulda won it all! Wanna know why? Because without Jordan, they were still great!

How did we do when we had Lin and went into Miami? HORRIBLE!

18-6 is great but we did not beat Miami at home during that stretch. Schedule is needed to grasp context - does Linsanity prove that we could go into Miami and play well? Of course not because the Linsanity schedule stunk!

None of the teams you mentioned can be compared to the knicks and what they are dealing with.

Really why? because teams lost their best player and still win games, yet we can't even be competitive with our best player being 100% healthy and clearly being out play.

And why are you bringing Linsanity now? He is not playing my friend, he is not the one shooting 36% FG, nor is he the one that punched an extinguisher, damaged his hand and is out for the rest of the series. Move on.

As far as Chicago making it to the ECF, they had Pippen a true difference maker.

Thats all they had? Pippen? Funny man!

teams losing their best player and still being competitive is a testament to their depth!

Linsanity is to point out stupid comparisons that completely disregard context / place / time.

Correct, and when a team like the Knicks looses their depth but still have the best player and fail to play competitive basketball, is that a testament to our best player?

Not at all and IMHO very misguided.

You need a team to win.

Who has a better team, chicago without Rose? Or, the knicks?

CHICAGO!

How about this, who has a better team - chicago without rose or the Knicks replacing Melo with Rose?

CHICAGO!

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls lost Rose and is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

So Chandler scored 0 points in game one - was he sick or does he suck? Or, just a prick?

Chicago is not Playing Miami, and this is a testament to how good Chicago is that Rose goes out and they are still great. Do we have their depth? Size?

Orlando is playing Indiana not Miami and are going nowhere without Howard (though I am rooting like heck that they do)

Memphis - we overcame far more than Memphis do get where we are. How good is their psyche when you get outscored 27-3 to lose at HOME!!

Atlanta has great guard play and depth - they too are not playing Miami

Clippers - Chris Paul, Blake Griffin - nuff said

Heck! Chicago lost Michael Jordan and still made it to the ECF and if not for a bad call they woulda won it all! Wanna know why? Because without Jordan, they were still great!

How did we do when we had Lin and went into Miami? HORRIBLE!

18-6 is great but we did not beat Miami at home during that stretch. Schedule is needed to grasp context - does Linsanity prove that we could go into Miami and play well? Of course not because the Linsanity schedule stunk!

None of the teams you mentioned can be compared to the knicks and what they are dealing with.

Really why? because teams lost their best player and still win games, yet we can't even be competitive with our best player being 100% healthy and clearly being out play.

And why are you bringing Linsanity now? He is not playing my friend, he is not the one shooting 36% FG, nor is he the one that punched an extinguisher, damaged his hand and is out for the rest of the series. Move on.

As far as Chicago making it to the ECF, they had Pippen a true difference maker.

Thats all they had? Pippen? Funny man!

teams losing their best player and still being competitive is a testament to their depth!

Linsanity is to point out stupid comparisons that completely disregard context / place / time.

Correct, and when a team like the Knicks looses their depth but still have the best player and fail to play competitive basketball, is that a testament to our best player?

Not at all and IMHO very misguided.

You need a team to win.

Who has a better team, chicago without Rose? Or, the knicks?

CHICAGO!

How about this, who has a better team - chicago without rose or the Knicks replacing Melo with Rose?

CHICAGO!

Disagree, this Knick team with Rose replacing Melo would be one of the best in the league, can you imagine Rose and Shumpert in the backcourt?
Also, the front court would not be too crowded either, plus Rose is a leader, arguably the best at his position and a MVP candidate. So the Knicks hands down.

No way in hell. And, who is talking about shumpert? He is out, no?

How did Mr Rose do last year against a worse Miami team with a much much much better (than the knicks) Chicago team?

How did he look against Lebron?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The most clutch player in the league does not buckle under pressure. This is all part of Melo's rope-a-dope plan.

Yeah its nice for KD to be able to shoot 5-18 and still win because of Westbrook (and Harden) - barely win both games against Dallas at home!

But let Melo go into Miami against the all world by himself (oh I am sorry with Baron Davis)! 12-26

Who held it together Sunday when Kobe could not throw it in the ocean? OH - Bynum had a triple double!

Now isn't that special?

We gave up the whole team to get Melo. So of course we don't have a good supporting cast to pick up the slack for him. And we don't have draft picks or the ability to keep all of our important role players.

You are better than that Bonn! The whole team for Melo?

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Hmm. I think the team is turning the corner on the "psychological" issues, and a lot of that has to do with Lin. For the first time in forever the Knicks got lucky and found a diamond in the rough. Everyone was feeling good about the team again. Then he was injured...

I think this team needs another year to gel with the current lineup if possible, with hopefully some tweaks here and there. We've had terrible luck with injuries. There are certainly other issues having to do with coaching, etc., but isn't it more likely that we've met a better team when we're far-below full-strength? We can over-analylze this and make it seem a lot more complicated than it really is.

Completely agree.

Do you realize that we are not the only team in the NBA with injured players, right?

So which team in the playoffs has lost their starting 1, 2, and their 5 gets too sick to really play?

Who is dealing with anything similar?

Don't say chicago because its not close and I doubt they are going to far.

Well Chandler played so don’t give me this thing about being sick, a lot players are not 100% healthy these days, but they still play, so good for Chandler.

1. Chicago Bulls lost Rose and is not about whether they go far or not, instead it is about how they regroup as a team and still play hard and smart regardless of the adversity.

2. Orlando, lost Howard (or he checked out earlier, whatever) this team with little talent was able to steal home court advantage and win game one against the Pacers.

3. Memphis lost Zach Randolph (arguably their best player) for most of the season and still end up with home advantage in the first round.

4. Atlanta lost Al Harford (arguably their best player) for the entire season and still finished with home court advantage in the first round.

5. Clippers lost their starting shooting guard Billups and just lost their starting small forward Caron Butler, yet they just pulled one of the biggest comebacks in recent history.

You see, I’m not expecting the Knicks to win the series against the Heat, however, after all the improvement they showed in the last 24 games, I was expecting better from them, instead right now we are playing again like it is the first game of the regular season, with no identity defensively or offensively. Enough with the excuses, this is the playoff man.

So Chandler scored 0 points in game one - was he sick or does he suck? Or, just a prick?

Chicago is not Playing Miami, and this is a testament to how good Chicago is that Rose goes out and they are still great. Do we have their depth? Size?

Orlando is playing Indiana not Miami and are going nowhere without Howard (though I am rooting like heck that they do)

Memphis - we overcame far more than Memphis do get where we are. How good is their psyche when you get outscored 27-3 to lose at HOME!!

Atlanta has great guard play and depth - they too are not playing Miami

Clippers - Chris Paul, Blake Griffin - nuff said

Heck! Chicago lost Michael Jordan and still made it to the ECF and if not for a bad call they woulda won it all! Wanna know why? Because without Jordan, they were still great!

How did we do when we had Lin and went into Miami? HORRIBLE!

18-6 is great but we did not beat Miami at home during that stretch. Schedule is needed to grasp context - does Linsanity prove that we could go into Miami and play well? Of course not because the Linsanity schedule stunk!

None of the teams you mentioned can be compared to the knicks and what they are dealing with.

Really why? because teams lost their best player and still win games, yet we can't even be competitive with our best player being 100% healthy and clearly being out play.

And why are you bringing Linsanity now? He is not playing my friend, he is not the one shooting 36% FG, nor is he the one that punched an extinguisher, damaged his hand and is out for the rest of the series. Move on.

As far as Chicago making it to the ECF, they had Pippen a true difference maker.

Thats all they had? Pippen? Funny man!

teams losing their best player and still being competitive is a testament to their depth!

Linsanity is to point out stupid comparisons that completely disregard context / place / time.

Correct, and when a team like the Knicks looses their depth but still have the best player and fail to play competitive basketball, is that a testament to our best player?

Not at all and IMHO very misguided.

You need a team to win.

Who has a better team, chicago without Rose? Or, the knicks?

CHICAGO!

How about this, who has a better team - chicago without rose or the Knicks replacing Melo with Rose?

CHICAGO!

Disagree, this Knick team with Rose replacing Melo would be one of the best in the league, can you imagine Rose and Shumpert in the backcourt?
Also, the front court would not be too crowded either, plus Rose is a leader, arguably the best at his position and a MVP candidate. So the Knicks hands down.

No way in hell. And, who is talking about shumpert? He is out, no?

How did Mr Rose do last year against a worse Miami team with a much much much better (than the knicks) Chicago team?

How did he look against Lebron?

Well Chicago won a game, which is all I'm asking from this Knicks team, you know what? Not even that, just give me a better series even if it break my heart in the last few minutes, at least that will tell me that we are getting close.

And what about Boston last night?
They lost their starting center Jermaine O’Neal during the season, no Ray Allen, no Rondo, and no bench, yet they won a game in Atlanta. See we are not the only ones with major injuries to key players.