Tyson flu
JJ too injured to play
Shump torn ACL
Lin out
BD with a bad back
Fields cannot play in the playoffs, he's just not mentally tough enough.
Amar'es meltdown

What could he have done differently?! We've gone from having 'Mobb Deep' to our new bench for game 3:

Novak
Bibby
TD
Jorts
JJ (who can't play- his knee is too bad)

That's pathetic!

Woody is fuming- watch this start of this video:

http://www.msg.com/videos/woodson-postgame-game-2-loss-to-heat-430.html

smackeddog wrote:Woodson has been dealt a bum hand. Here's what he's had to deal with:

Tyson flu
JJ too injured to play
Shump torn ACL
Lin out
BD with a bad back
Fields cannot play in the playoffs, he's just not mentally tough enough.
Amar'es meltdown

What could he have done differently?! We've gone from having 'Mobb Deep' to our new bench for game 3:

Novak
Bibby
TD
Jorts
JJ (who can't play- his knee is too bad)

That's pathetic!

Woody is fuming- watch this start of this video:

http://www.msg.com/videos/woodson-postgame-game-2-loss-to-heat-430.html

So what, last year our healthy and decent players against the Celtics were mostly Melo and Jeffries, yet a lot of people on this board were disappointed that we got swept. While I was not expecting the Knicks to win this series, with injuries and all, Woodson has way more talent, the Knicks should have played better than this.

Say what you want about D'Antoni, but at least we fought Boston hard despite the sweep.....the way this series is going so far, you just don't get the sense we have a chance in hell. Yes, part of that has nothing to do with Woodson (i.e. the Heat are a better team) but at the same time, Woodson is the coach and right now, we're seeing iso-ball with Melo chucking shots up left and right.

A bunch of us have been saying for awhile now, you cannot win with isolation basketball in the playoffs. Effort goes up in the playoffs and that's why I was never concerned about how our defense would play under D'Antoni once we reached the post-season. Offense however, is just as important and Woodson's offense looks pretty terrible at this point (and it's not simply due to the Heat playing great D).

OasisBU wrote:I see a lot of D'Antoni supporters coming out of the Woodwork and a lot of Woodson apologists, but I think the reality is we were not going far this season no matter who was at the helm.
This team is still a while away from making it to the next level. The small steps have been taken, we have a winning record and made it to the post season 2 years in a row. The next step will be to win a series and then go on a run in the playoffs. To do that maybe we need a new coach, maybe we don't, but we do need some personnel changes on the roster.

What the best moves are I don't know. Stat does not look good but maybe he can improve. I think the issue with him is he just doesnt seem to have a role now that we have Tyson and Melo and to tie so much $$$$ up in him when he can't contribute to us winning is a joke. Can that change? I am not sure what system will help (triangle?). The time this team has is very limited, Stat is going to decline even more and Melo is in his prime.

While this may be true considering that we underperform throughout the season, I was expecting a much better fight from our team against the queens, after all we have a better team this season with injuries and all.

Jmpasq wrote:Really Mike Woodson. This may come as a shock to some of U but the Knicks are not good enough to beat the Heat. i thought they could maybe win 1 game if Melo scored 50. The Knicks are nowhere near as talented as Miami. The Superstars on the Heat "meaning Lebron and Wade" are on another planet of talent then the Knicks Amare and Melo. It really sux I want to see them win 2 and I know some of u want to stay positive but realistically how are the Knicks going to improve enough to beat them. U think Phil Jackson is going to make up for just how physically gifted Lebron James is.This team has to rethink what they want to be this offseason. Whats going to be the identity of this team. Right now this is just a mashed up group of players.The only chance the Knicks are going to have is to become like the Bulls.They have Chandler the Shumpert injury is an absolute killer. If he isnt the same the Knicks are screwed. His development is crucial for them to have a chance.This team is going to have to become tougher and win with defense its the only shot they have

For all Lebron’s physical talent, he hasn’t won a ring yet in his ten years in the NBA, so teams have overcome that, including Rick Carlisle with a much less talented Dallas team last year. And again, my issue is not the losing but how disorganized we look while losing.

Syniko wrote:Can you blame Woodson? all his key players are dropping left and right.

And, though many may not want to admit it, Miami is more than a little bit better. They are a lot better than us.

Not that I don't expect them to compete, I have been expecting the broom from day1. Now, I am not a negative fan, (you can go back and check) but, I am a realist -(being a long suffering Knick fan will make you a realist/or total knick hater)

KnicksFE wrote:

OasisBU wrote:I see a lot of D'Antoni supporters coming out of the Woodwork and a lot of Woodson apologists, but I think the reality is we were not going far this season no matter who was at the helm.
This team is still a while away from making it to the next level. The small steps have been taken, we have a winning record and made it to the post season 2 years in a row. The next step will be to win a series and then go on a run in the playoffs. To do that maybe we need a new coach, maybe we don't, but we do need some personnel changes on the roster.

What the best moves are I don't know. Stat does not look good but maybe he can improve. I think the issue with him is he just doesnt seem to have a role now that we have Tyson and Melo and to tie so much $$$$ up in him when he can't contribute to us winning is a joke. Can that change? I am not sure what system will help (triangle?). The time this team has is very limited, Stat is going to decline even more and Melo is in his prime.

While this may be true considering that we underperform throughout the season, I was expecting a much better fight from our team against the queens, after all we have a better team this season with injuries and all.

I don't disagree but you have to remember that the queens went to the finals last year, put up a solid effort against the Mavs, and had some serious defense.

I think a lot of people underestimated them this season, they have another 66 games under their belt, are in their second post season together, and they basically turned it on once the playoffs started. We were already at our highest gear with the talent we have while the Heat were waiting to turn it up.

It doesn't make it right, but there isn't a whole lot this team could do. I am not happy that it appears we have been regressing which is pretty embarrassing, but our guys are at their limit and playing the defending ECF champs in round 1.

OasisBU wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

OasisBU wrote:I see a lot of D'Antoni supporters coming out of the Woodwork and a lot of Woodson apologists, but I think the reality is we were not going far this season no matter who was at the helm.
This team is still a while away from making it to the next level. The small steps have been taken, we have a winning record and made it to the post season 2 years in a row. The next step will be to win a series and then go on a run in the playoffs. To do that maybe we need a new coach, maybe we don't, but we do need some personnel changes on the roster.

What the best moves are I don't know. Stat does not look good but maybe he can improve. I think the issue with him is he just doesnt seem to have a role now that we have Tyson and Melo and to tie so much $$$$ up in him when he can't contribute to us winning is a joke. Can that change? I am not sure what system will help (triangle?). The time this team has is very limited, Stat is going to decline even more and Melo is in his prime.

While this may be true considering that we underperform throughout the season, I was expecting a much better fight from our team against the queens, after all we have a better team this season with injuries and all.

I don't disagree but you have to remember that the queens went to the finals last year, put up a solid effort against the Mavs, and had some serious defense. I think a lot of people underestimated them this season, they have another 66 games under their belt, are in their second post season together, and they basically turned it on once the playoffs started. We were already at our highest gear with the talent we have while the Heat were waiting to turn it up.

It doesn't make it right, but there isn't a whole lot this team could do. I am not happy that it appears we have been regressing which is pretty embarrassing, but our guys are at their limit and playing the defending ECF champs in round 1.

Totally true, and this is why I was not expecting us to win the series, but what exactly are we? Defense, offence? We are playing with no identity on the court.

DurzoBlint wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Woodson has been dealt a bum hand. Here's what he's had to deal with:

Tyson flu
JJ too injured to play
Shump torn ACL
Lin out
BD with a bad back
Fields cannot play in the playoffs, he's just not mentally tough enough.
Amar'es meltdown

What could he have done differently?! We've gone from having 'Mobb Deep' to our new bench for game 3:

Novak
Bibby
TD
Jorts
JJ (who can't play- his knee is too bad)

That's pathetic!

Woody is fuming- watch this start of this video:

http://www.msg.com/videos/woodson-postgame-game-2-loss-to-heat-430.html

and all our guards are really 2nd or 3rd stringers. Not a single guard capable of starting on a good team. Baron is old and the ghost of Bibby only manifests once every 10-20 games and only for a cameo at that. Douglas has rocks rattling around in his head preventing him from doing anything intelligent. Then there is Landry fields with dinner plates on the end of his wrists instead of hands and fingers.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Woodson has been dealt a bum hand. Here's what he's had to deal with:

Tyson flu
JJ too injured to play
Shump torn ACL
Lin out
BD with a bad back
Fields cannot play in the playoffs, he's just not mentally tough enough.
Amar'es meltdown

What could he have done differently?! We've gone from having 'Mobb Deep' to our new bench for game 3:

Novak
Bibby
TD
Jorts
JJ (who can't play- his knee is too bad)

That's pathetic!

Woody is fuming- watch this start of this video:

http://www.msg.com/videos/woodson-postgame-game-2-loss-to-heat-430.html

and all our guards are really 2nd or 3rd stringers. Not a single guard capable of starting on a good team. Baron is old and the ghost of Bibby only manifests once every 10-20 games and only for a cameo at that. Douglas has rocks rattling around in his head preventing him from doing anything intelligent. Then there is Landry fields with dinner plates on the end of his wrists instead of hands and fingers.

You could make a comparable list for MDA
-No Lin for most of season
-Amare with bad back and knees
-Baron either out or playing injured
-Jeffries out for half the season
-Jorts out for half the season
-Melo injuries

I actually did something like that before he was canned.