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mrKnickShot
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4/22/2012  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2012  1:48 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First half MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

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4/22/2012  1:45 PM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:Walsh is getting a lot of credit for a guy who didn't want Carmelo and didn't sign Chandler and who brought MDA here...I give him huge credit for convincing Dolam to tear it down but Walsh would have built this team in MDA's image which would have been a huge mistake..
I think the tone would be different if the team didn't make the playoffs and they were sending a lottery pick off to HOuston in June. Walsh was too loyal to D'Antoni in my opinion and I agree that the team most likely would be constructed differently if he was still in place.

Walsh is getting huge credit for all this...He brought MDA here..A guy who didn't care about defense..He didn't want Melo...Walsh would never have signed Chandler, because MDA would not have wante him ...MDA benched Chandler during the 4th quarter of Biston and Dallas game for Novak...Am I missing something ?

Just because Walsh had a different plan for building the team and was supportive of his coach, which a GM should be, doesn't mean that they were wrong and would not have been able to build a winning team. We'll never know what Walsh would've done if not interfered with. Walsh is clearly an old school GM that knows the importance of having good size and defense. Both Walsh and MDA were big on Moz a big C so why would they be against a championship winning C like Chandler. All of this nonsense that some of you spew gets sickening. You think you know how things would've gone but have no proof since Walsh was not allowed to build the team as he saw fit and MDA was not given the tools he needed without the team being retooled in a different direction.

We still don't know what we have with this team and people are sticking their chests out before the team has accomplished anything!!! Save your accolades for some real accomplishments. Just cuz we have a great scorer in Melo and Tyson and the team has had a good stretch that means next to nothing. We're still a 7th or 8th seed and left with a difficult road in the playoffs and a long way to go before this team has done anything to be taking bows for.

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4/22/2012  1:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2012  1:50 PM
nixluva wrote:
All of this nonsense that some of you spew gets sickening

There is always the ignore feature.

We definitely do not want to see how you get after "the sickening"

holfresh
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4/22/2012  1:51 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

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4/22/2012  1:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

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4/22/2012  1:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2012  1:57 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

That I have noticed..

mrKnickShot
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4/22/2012  1:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

That I have noticed..

That my friend is not nice!

mrKnickShot
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4/22/2012  1:58 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

That I have noticed..

That my friend is not nice!

nixluva
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4/22/2012  2:02 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
All of this nonsense that some of you spew gets sickening

There is always the ignore feature.

We definitely do not want to see how you get after "the sickening"

I will continue to be a voice of reason and counter to the chorus of make believe. None of you know what Walsh would've done so don't pretend to say he would not have gone after a player like Chandler due to some dumb idea that MDA wouldn't want him. That looks stupid in the face of the fact that Walsh did try to address the need for size while MDA was here. Also Walsh has a history of building solid defensive teams with good size. He was a good GM in a tough situation with Dolan as owner.

As I said this team hasn't done jack squat yet. They have a chance to prove what they are, but no one really knows yet.

holfresh
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4/22/2012  2:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2012  2:07 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

That I have noticed..

That my friend is not nice!

Love your insults ...U gave me an alley oop..Had to dunk it...

mrKnickShot
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4/22/2012  2:06 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
All of this nonsense that some of you spew gets sickening

There is always the ignore feature.

We definitely do not want to see how you get after "the sickening"

I will continue to be a voice of reason and counter to the chorus of make believe. None of you know what Walsh would've done so don't pretend to say he would not have gone after a player like Chandler due to some dumb idea that MDA wouldn't want him. That looks stupid in the face of the fact that Walsh did try to address the need for size while MDA was here. Also Walsh has a history of building solid defensive teams with good size. He was a good GM in a tough situation with Dolan as owner.

As I said this team hasn't done jack squat yet. They have a chance to prove what they are, but no one really knows yet.

That is HILARIOUS!!!! hahahhahaha

Coming from the one who pretended to know MDA's deepest inner thoughts and stated it as fact day after day.

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4/22/2012  2:07 PM
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Grunwald will cement himself as a good GM if he can find a way to rid us of our biggest problem. AMARE

Amare is our biggest problem?

Yes. An under performing cap space killer that we are probably stuck with inhibiting us to sign pieces/players that can actually help us move forward.

So Amare is done huh?

Define done.

You should have a definition since he is a cap killer that cannot be moved for better pieces..

"cap killer = done"?

Let me define cap killer.

One who salary does not measure up to performance especially in the post season.

One who is often injured do to chronic back, knee and eye ailments.

One who is untradeable for the aforementioned reasons.

We can leave defense out of it (for now )

Well last year he played like an MVP first half...I doubt very much you would view him as a cap killer...And I wouldn't trade him..Amare can help this team win with the right coach...He still has game, we don't want him because he is no longer the best at the position? Insane..

I think you are in the minority on this one.

First have MVP does/did not help us. If he gives us 2 positive playoffs out of his 5 years I would be ecstatic.

You would not trade him - its irrelevant - he is not trade-able since nobody is dumb enough to take him.

I'm never afraid being in the minority..Ever heard the term the masses as asses??..Amare was the foundation that made the Knicks/New York a destination...Amare need a PG for u see what he can do..He has never been the same player since Felton left due to injury and PG play...If Im the Knicks management I'll bring back Felton at all cost, Lin included..I think Amare is far from being done

Well I love being in the asses

That I have noticed..

That my friend is not nice!

Love you insults ...U gave me an alley oop..Had to dunk it...

Fair enough. I kinda knew I was setting myself up for that.

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4/22/2012  2:10 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
All of this nonsense that some of you spew gets sickening

There is always the ignore feature.

We definitely do not want to see how you get after "the sickening"

I will continue to be a voice of reason and counter to the chorus of make believe. None of you know what Walsh would've done so don't pretend to say he would not have gone after a player like Chandler due to some dumb idea that MDA wouldn't want him. That looks stupid in the face of the fact that Walsh did try to address the need for size while MDA was here. Also Walsh has a history of building solid defensive teams with good size. He was a good GM in a tough situation with Dolan as owner.

As I said this team hasn't done jack squat yet. They have a chance to prove what they are, but no one really knows yet.

Nix, MDA benched Chandler for the 4th quarter of the Boston game and Dallas...can you explain this if u remember the games..He was replaced by Novak..I was going nuts at the time because Novak was being abused on the other end of the court..Can u explain these actions by MDA?

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4/22/2012  2:24 PM
Was Chandler having such wrist problems that he could not catch a pass?
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4/22/2012  2:27 PM
I am having a hard time figuring out when a bad wrist can be used as an excuse and when it can't. And when it can, is that for everyone or only certain players.
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4/22/2012  2:29 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:I am having a hard time figuring out when a bad wrist can be used as an excuse and when it can't. And when it can, is that for everyone or only certain players.

Injured players don't perform as well when healthy.

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4/22/2012  2:31 PM
Nalod wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:I am having a hard time figuring out when a bad wrist can be used as an excuse and when it can't. And when it can, is that for everyone or only certain players.

Injured players don't perform as well when healthy.

I agree. But some who have injured wrists don't get a pass for it even though they play through it.

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4/24/2012  1:32 PM
It's nice to see that player coach hate always has to live somewhere...
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4/24/2012  2:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:Walsh is getting a lot of credit for a guy who didn't want Carmelo and didn't sign Chandler and who brought MDA here...I give him huge credit for convincing Dolam to tear it down but Walsh would have built this team in MDA's image which would have been a huge mistake..
I think the tone would be different if the team didn't make the playoffs and they were sending a lottery pick off to HOuston in June. Walsh was too loyal to D'Antoni in my opinion and I agree that the team most likely would be constructed differently if he was still in place.

Walsh is getting huge credit for all this...He brought MDA here..A guy who didn't care about defense..He didn't want Melo...Walsh would never have signed Chandler, because MDA would not have wante him ...MDA benched Chandler during the 4th quarter of Biston and Dallas game for Novak...Am I missing something ?

ah yes... the lone remaianing Isiah lover/supporter has spoken.

Walsh hired MDA to make the Knicks more attractive for free agents. Seeing as how we signed Baron Davis, Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler all as free agents and ALL said playing for MDA was factor (true or not they all said it) the MDA singing certainly looks like a good one doesnt it.

Also since your spinning things there Zeke MDA didnt like Chandler?
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nba/Tyson_Chandler/2098865/chandler-called-irreplaceable

Funny.. cause if you use this thing called google you can easily find about 15 direct quotes that say Chandler was their most important player.

Walsh cleaned out Isiah's MESS, and did something no GM here has been able to do for 2+ years. Thats stick to a plan. That plan was clear the cap mess, get under it, draft some guys and sign 2 max players. Walsh wasnt perfect but he did pretty damn good.

On Grunwald:
Im a true believer. While most Knick GMs would be happy to piss away another year waiting for CP3 he had the balls to waive Billups's old ass and sign Chandler. While it initially backfired leaving us weak at PG and exposing Douglas we got MUCH closer to being an elite team by securing that great defensive bigman.

My biggest knock on the Melo trade was that it left us lacking the pieces we needed to compete for a title, Sure we got a great player and elite scorer, but Billups was 35 going on 50 (hows his health these days?) and we gave up too many young guys and picks to properly build a team and compete.

We still have some of those problems with JR, Novak, Baron and even JJ most likely gone, BUT we have our starting 5 and in many ways Lin/Shumpert/Chandler are just as important as Amare/Melo and thats saying a lot.

Was some of it luck? Of course... but you still have to execute.

I see a Lin/Shump/Melo/Amare/Chandler lineup as simply beastly and Gunwald deserves his share of the credit.

Great job and I hope he stays!

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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4/24/2012  2:26 PM
on a side note I have to agree w/ Holfresh that calling Amare done is off the charts silly. Sure... I would prefer to trade him for Blake Griffen as well, but he's not a cap killer. We are already maxed out so it really doesnt matter.

Did you watch Amare play the other night vs. the Hawks? Thats done? Wow... ok

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Thanks Grunwald.

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