babyKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:According to the ESPN announcers, Woodson said that during the 15-5 stretch the team ran almost exclusively plays drawn up by MDA.

But u saw the games, u let guys who watch it less than u tell u what u are seeing....How many ISO per game was MDA running for Melo..

That's completely wrong Bonn...he stated he used mda play book during the 6-1 stretch.

I knew I'd catch ya...and caught.

What ever little he did, he sure did a hell of a job!!!!!

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:According to the ESPN announcers, Woodson said that during the 15-5 stretch the team ran almost exclusively plays drawn up by MDA.

It doesn't matter what you say Bonn1997. There is a group here that lives in the land of revisionist history and a lack of facts.

They also keep lying that somehow Melo wasn't getting shots under MDA when he was stinking up the joint. The problem is that when you post the facts they don't match up with this biased view. Melo avg'd 21 shots under MDA in January before he sat down to heal and 23 under Woody, except for the 10 game stretch after Melo came back and the team started losing, where his shots dipped. Other than that Melo got plenty of shots and he wasn't asked to just stand out at the 3pt line, cuz he wasn't taking more 3's then than he is now. It just makes their argument sound better when they lie.

There's also the lie that the team didn't defend under MDA.

Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.

New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.

In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).

All that defense stopped when Melo came back. Then it magically came back when MDA resigned and Melo started playing hard again. I know that people think i'm too supportive of MDA, but really I just don't like LYING!!! Tell the truth is all I ask. If you have facts to back up the crap you say then post it. All these guys that keep posting jokes and digs at MDA never have any real facts to back up what they claim.

Uh uh! You are the liar!! Yuh huh - yuh huh!

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:According to the ESPN announcers, Woodson said that during the 15-5 stretch the team ran almost exclusively plays drawn up by MDA.

It doesn't matter what you say Bonn1997. There is a group here that lives in the land of revisionist history and a lack of facts.

They also keep lying that somehow Melo wasn't getting shots under MDA when he was stinking up the joint. The problem is that when you post the facts they don't match up with this biased view. Melo avg'd 21 shots under MDA in January before he sat down to heal and 23 under Woody, except for the 10 game stretch after Melo came back and the team started losing, where his shots dipped. Other than that Melo got plenty of shots and he wasn't asked to just stand out at the 3pt line, cuz he wasn't taking more 3's then than he is now. It just makes their argument sound better when they lie.

There's also the lie that the team didn't defend under MDA.

Long a sore spot for Mike D’Antoni, his team’s defensive consistency (or lack thereof) had previously been an impediment to their success. But recently, New York’s stingy defense has been essential to their winning ways.

New York is currently holding its opponents to 93.9 points per game on 44.5% shooting after allowing 105.7 points on 47.2% shooting last season. This type of terrific turnaround is rarely seen in the NBA from one year to the next.

In early January, the Knicks actually held three straight opponents under 90 points. Prior to that stretch, the last time New York had held even two straight opponents under 90 points was all the way back in December of 2005. In fact, during that streak, the Knicks kept those teams under 88 points. As a point of comparison, in NY’s three previous seasons with D’Antoni at the helm, they held an opponent under 88 a TOTAL of nine times. That’s three games in a row, versus nine times total over the span of three complete seasons (246 games).

All that defense stopped when Melo came back. Then it magically came back when MDA resigned and Melo started playing hard again. I know that people think i'm too supportive of MDA, but really I just don't like LYING!!! Tell the truth is all I ask. If you have facts to back up the crap you say then post it. All these guys that keep posting jokes and digs at MDA never have any real facts to back up what they claim.

Uh uh! You are the liar!! Yuh huh - yuh huh!

As usual, you've got NOTHING! CLOWN!

A clown aye? Do I amuse you?

Unlike you Nixluva, I am not Rain-Man and do not wish to regurgitate and repeat myself to you 1000 times.

This is much more fun!!

babyKnicks wrote:Nixluva. You have to let it go. This team is responding to a new coach. Stop defending the past. Look to the future. Not sure what happened to you.

I don't recognize this guy. Mda sucked, the Knicks sucked under him and are the top defensive team in the league in April.

The numbers for melo under Woodson's first 7 games show he was giving the same scoring and shooting percentages, but somehow the team was winning.

We have not lost back to back games.

Time to give props where props are due.

LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU LIAR!!!

When I said that Woody had started going back to more of MDA plays so that the role players could get more involved you joked, but then Woody stated exactly what I had been saying the team should do. There's nothing wrong with how Woody has handled things, but let's not ignore the truth when it's clear.

Woody is having the same issues with STAT's defense that MDA had for all those years. Now people can see for themselves that it wasn't because MDA didn't care about D. This guy was his STARTING CENTER!!! How good could any team be with STAT as the anchor of the defense??? Now we know it wasn't MDA all that time. If Woody has a hard time fixing STAT then you can imagine that it has been a problem for a long time. Woody has been here working with the players on D all year. Minus STAT the D has been good all year too. Like i've said around here for years, you need defensive talent too. That's what Tyson and Shump prove.

nixluva wrote:Stop making excuses mrKnickShot! You're the 1st one to start challenging someone's manhood for not responding to your posts. Here you have clear statistical facts and all you can do is make lame jokes. I don't post nonsense. If I say something I back it up. That's what you're supposed to do.

When I said that Woody had started going back to more of MDA plays so that the role players could get more involved you joked, but then Woody stated exactly what I had been saying the team should do. There's nothing wrong with how Woody has handled things, but let's not ignore the truth when it's clear.

Woody is having the same issues with STAT's defense that MDA had for all those years. Now people can see for themselves that it wasn't because MDA didn't care about D. This guy was his STARTING CENTER!!! How good could any team be with STAT as the anchor of the defense??? Now we know it wasn't MDA all that time. If Woody has a hard time fixing STAT then you can imagine that it has been a problem for a long time. Woody has been here working with the players on D all year. Minus STAT the D has been good all year too. Like i've said around here for years, you need defensive talent too. That's what Tyson and Shump prove.

Stat is a shell of himself athletically. He never played defense because he was never forced to because he played for a coach that didn't DEMAND it. Stat played EXCELLENT defense before he got hurt do/did you misremember that?

How about how Melo sucked for the first 7 games for Woody offensively? Timely amnesia?

MDA did a good job in PHX stop using that to excuse him. He was awful here and now he can go and rebuild his tarnished reputation somewhere else.

babyKnicks wrote:Nixluva. You have to let it go. This team is responding to a new coach. Stop defending the past. Look to the future. Not sure what happened to you.

I don't recognize this guy. Mda sucked, the Knicks sucked under him and are the top defensive team in the league in April.

The numbers for melo under Woodson's first 7 games show he was giving the same scoring and shooting percentages, but somehow the team was winning.

We have not lost back to back games.

Time to give props where props are due.

I'm not sure what you're asking me. I give Woody credit for what he's done with the team, but I also know for a FACT that if Melo had played like this all year MDA would still be coach and the team would have a better record. That's the real truth of the matter. The same goes for STAT. In the end I have to look at the fact that Melo INSTANTANEOUSLY flipped a switch the day MDA resigned. He suddenly started defending and working harder on day one. No change in plays or special coaching. He just picked up his intensity and played like he gave a darn. That's really all i've been talking about. When Melo was out the team defended just as hard as it is now, but people want to act like they don't remember that. That undermanned team was busting it without STAT, MELO, JR or BARON!!! That didn't stop until Melo came back and dogged it. Just be honest is all i'm saying.

Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe I missed it but I didn't think the ESPN announcers said that Woodson made the comment in reference only to the 6-1 start. 6 - 1 aint bad, though. So I'm not sure why the distinction matters.

Stop it man! Just admit that you fumbled. We all have weak moments that make us stronger.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe I missed it but I didn't think the ESPN announcers said that Woodson made the comment in reference only to the 6-1 start. 6 - 1 aint bad, though. So I'm not sure why the distinction matters.

Stop it man! Just admit that you fumbled. We all have weak moments that make us stronger.

YOU STOP IT!!! You have some nerve asking Bonn to admit something when you just try to get away with way worse crap. You have been ducking my statements backed up with quotes and stats all this season.

Then during a real stretch against real teams a collection of back to back to bad losses?

Now we have been playing tough teams, in a playoff win or go home atmosphre and never losing back to back.

Betting playoff teams, gelling for the playoffs.

It was the coach and an assortment of injuries, but in the end, coaches coach and players play and if players aren't playing the better coaches coach better.

Woodson is coaching better. Mda wasn't coaching during games, and the playoffs are about coaching in games...adjustments, timeouts, rotations based on match ups, not favoritism.