nixluva wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:They were both at fault. Case closed. Anyone who says differently is just being partisan (IMHO).

Co-signed.

Ugh NOT! See the post above for FACTS!!!

I also think it's fair to say that D'Antoni was less than stellar in his approach to a rogue player.

Ultimately, D'Antoni was unable to produce a state of cohesion, and I commend him for his timing in stepping down.

What grows more obvious, is that Woodson has benefitted from 'addition by subtraction', as Anthony has flourished at the 4. D'Antoni could not create that lineup with Stoudemire's presence.

Going forward, Woodson's (and Anthony's) challenge lies in optimizing all Knicks players performance simultaneously, including Stoudemire and Lin.

There is no doubt that Anthony's current role and subsequent glorification will reduce with the return of the players mentioned.

Time will reveal if Anthony accepts and conquers the challenge, or reverts to a disheartened state and pouts his way to disgrace.

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

nixluva wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:They were both at fault. Case closed. Anyone who says differently is just being partisan (IMHO).

Co-signed.

Ugh NOT! See the post above for FACTS!!!

I am aware of the facts. And I do not absolve Anthony for his treasonous ways.

I also think it's fair to say that D'Antoni was less than stellar in his approach to a rogue player.

Ultimately, D'Antoni was unable to produce a state of cohesion, and I commend him for his timing in stepping down.

What grows more obvious, is that Woodson has benefitted from 'addition by subtraction', as Anthony has flourished at the 4. D'Antoni could not create that lineup with Stoudemire's presence.

Going forward, Woodson's (and Anthony's) challenge lies in optimizing all Knicks players performance simultaneously, including Stoudemire and Lin.

There is no doubt that Anthony's current role and subsequent glorification will reduce with the return of the players mentioned.

Time will reveal if Anthony accepts and conquers the challenge, or reverts to a disheartened state and pouts his way to disgrace.

I heard through a very reputable source that he intentionally missed 8 shots a game because HE WAS BETTING ON THE GAME. Seriously.

FACT!!

MozelGovCocktail wrote:What do you expect from a guy who runs up tabs w/ multiple drug dealers

mrKnickShot wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

nixluva wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:They were both at fault. Case closed. Anyone who says differently is just being partisan (IMHO).

Co-signed.

Ugh NOT! See the post above for FACTS!!!

I am aware of the facts. And I do not absolve Anthony for his treasonous ways.

I also think it's fair to say that D'Antoni was less than stellar in his approach to a rogue player.

Ultimately, D'Antoni was unable to produce a state of cohesion, and I commend him for his timing in stepping down.

What grows more obvious, is that Woodson has benefitted from 'addition by subtraction', as Anthony has flourished at the 4. D'Antoni could not create that lineup with Stoudemire's presence.

Going forward, Woodson's (and Anthony's) challenge lies in optimizing all Knicks players performance simultaneously, including Stoudemire and Lin.

There is no doubt that Anthony's current role and subsequent glorification will reduce with the return of the players mentioned.

Time will reveal if Anthony accepts and conquers the challenge, or reverts to a disheartened state and pouts his way to disgrace.

I heard through a very reputable source that he intentionally missed 8 shots a game because HE WAS BETTING ON THE GAME. Seriously.

FACT!!

And steroids are freakin expensive!

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of all this nonsense, exaggerations and lies. Let's try to actually back up the crap people keep spouting with some facts!!!

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan.	35.6	8.3-21.1     .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	     .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.

DATE	OPP	SCORE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100	   37	4-11	.364	0-0	.000	3-6	.500	3	6	0	1	3	6	11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82	   27	7-16	.438	1-2	.500	0-0	.000	4	3	1	2	1	2	15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102	   35	7-20	.350	1-1	1.000	4-4	1.000	7	1	1	0	4	1	19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103  34	9-16	.563	1-3	.333	3-5	.600	5	4	0	0	3	0	22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104	   39	8-21	.381	1-3	.333	4-4	1.000	8	3	1	2	4	2	21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115	   35	8-21	.381	0-1	.000	9-10	.900	7	2	0	0	4	3	25
Tue 3/6	@ DAL L 85-95	   31	2-12	.167	0-3	.000	2-4	.500	8	1	0	0	1	2	6
Wed 3/7	@ SA L 105-118	   38	12-24	.500	3-7	.429	0-1	.000	2	3	0	2	5	2	27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119	   37	7-17	.412	1-2	.500	7-10	.700	5	2	2	1	1	2	22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106   29	5-13	.385	1-4	.250	11-12	.917	9	3	0	0	2	1	22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the facts stated above. It's one thing not to like the approach and coaching of MDA, but none of that absolves Melo from the fact that he was far below his standards for most of the year. No one made him miss shots and he is the only one responsible for respecting the game and his team by always giving 110%. He clearly did not do that when he came back. The team was winning and united and in 10 game he did nothing to help the team win. Not his defense or offense or his attitude. If he had the attitude he's displayed since the day MDA resigned this team would have a better record no question about it. Woody is a good coach, but nothing he did caused Melo to hit shots. He didn't start to actually go nuts until 12 games ago, on march 28th and that is all on Melo. He's just got his game back at the right time. You pair that with his much improved attitude since MDA resigned and this is the guy everyone expected when we traded for him.

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of all this nonsense, exaggerations and lies. Let's try to actually back up the crap people keep spouting with some facts!!!

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan.	35.6	8.3-21.1     .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	     .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.

DATE	OPP	SCORE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100	   37	4-11	.364	0-0	.000	3-6	.500	3	6	0	1	3	6	11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82	   27	7-16	.438	1-2	.500	0-0	.000	4	3	1	2	1	2	15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102	   35	7-20	.350	1-1	1.000	4-4	1.000	7	1	1	0	4	1	19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103  34	9-16	.563	1-3	.333	3-5	.600	5	4	0	0	3	0	22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104	   39	8-21	.381	1-3	.333	4-4	1.000	8	3	1	2	4	2	21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115	   35	8-21	.381	0-1	.000	9-10	.900	7	2	0	0	4	3	25
Tue 3/6	@ DAL L 85-95	   31	2-12	.167	0-3	.000	2-4	.500	8	1	0	0	1	2	6
Wed 3/7	@ SA L 105-118	   38	12-24	.500	3-7	.429	0-1	.000	2	3	0	2	5	2	27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119	   37	7-17	.412	1-2	.500	7-10	.700	5	2	2	1	1	2	22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106   29	5-13	.385	1-4	.250	11-12	.917	9	3	0	0	2	1	22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the facts stated above. It's one thing not to like the approach and coaching of MDA, but none of that absolves Melo from the fact that he was far below his standards for most of the year. No one made him miss shots and he is the only one responsible for respecting the game and his team by always giving 110%. He clearly did not do that when he came back. The team was winning and united and in 10 game he did nothing to help the team win. Not his defense or offense or his attitude. If he had the attitude he's displayed since the day MDA resigned this team would have a better record no question about it. Woody is a good coach, but nothing he did caused Melo to hit shots. He didn't start to actually go nuts until 12 games ago, on march 28th and that is all on Melo. He's just got his game back at the right time. You pair that with his much improved attitude since MDA resigned and this is the guy everyone expected when we traded for him.

I'M TELLING YOU! YUH HUH! YUH HUH!

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of all this nonsense, exaggerations and lies. Let's try to actually back up the crap people keep spouting with some facts!!!

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan.	35.6	8.3-21.1     .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	     .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.

DATE	OPP	SCORE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100	   37	4-11	.364	0-0	.000	3-6	.500	3	6	0	1	3	6	11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82	   27	7-16	.438	1-2	.500	0-0	.000	4	3	1	2	1	2	15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102	   35	7-20	.350	1-1	1.000	4-4	1.000	7	1	1	0	4	1	19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103  34	9-16	.563	1-3	.333	3-5	.600	5	4	0	0	3	0	22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104	   39	8-21	.381	1-3	.333	4-4	1.000	8	3	1	2	4	2	21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115	   35	8-21	.381	0-1	.000	9-10	.900	7	2	0	0	4	3	25
Tue 3/6	@ DAL L 85-95	   31	2-12	.167	0-3	.000	2-4	.500	8	1	0	0	1	2	6
Wed 3/7	@ SA L 105-118	   38	12-24	.500	3-7	.429	0-1	.000	2	3	0	2	5	2	27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119	   37	7-17	.412	1-2	.500	7-10	.700	5	2	2	1	1	2	22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106   29	5-13	.385	1-4	.250	11-12	.917	9	3	0	0	2	1	22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the facts stated above. It's one thing not to like the approach and coaching of MDA, but none of that absolves Melo from the fact that he was far below his standards for most of the year. No one made him miss shots and he is the only one responsible for respecting the game and his team by always giving 110%. He clearly did not do that when he came back. The team was winning and united and in 10 game he did nothing to help the team win. Not his defense or offense or his attitude. If he had the attitude he's displayed since the day MDA resigned this team would have a better record no question about it. Woody is a good coach, but nothing he did caused Melo to hit shots. He didn't start to actually go nuts until 12 games ago, on march 28th and that is all on Melo. He's just got his game back at the right time. You pair that with his much improved attitude since MDA resigned and this is the guy everyone expected when we traded for him.

I'M TELLING YOU! YUH HUH! YUH HUH!

Yeah like I thought. You have nothing! If you had anything substantive to refute what i've posted you would've stated it. So basically you are admitting you know i'm right. No need to say it, we have your admission loud and clear.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm so tired of all this nonsense, exaggerations and lies. Let's try to actually back up the crap people keep spouting with some facts!!!

For much of the early season MDA had EVERYTHING go thru Melo. No coach has ever given him that much latitude to call his own number and also setup his teammates. It was new to him and it wasn't easy but he was actually making some progress. Melo was getting PLENTY of shots wherever he wanted them. It's a LIE to suggest that he was held back. This is what Melo was doing before he got hurt. Note how many shots he was taking per game before he sat down supposedly to heal up.

DATE	MIN	FGM-FGA	     FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	     FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Jan.	35.6	8.3-21.1     .393	1.4-4.4	.311	5.4-6.8	     .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3

When Melo came back he was asked to blend in at that time because the team was winning playing the way they were with him out!!! This wasn't the case ALL YEAR as some make it seem. Under MDA he was taking 4.4 3pt attempts and under Woody he was at 3.3 last month and is at 4.6 this month. So where is this idea that MDA had Melo stuck out on the 3pt line not getting shots?

Here are Melo's game logs for the 10 games he played after he came back up until MDA resigned.

DATE	OPP	SCORE	  MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	 FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Mon 2/20 vs NJ L 92-100	   37	4-11	.364	0-0	.000	3-6	.500	3	6	0	1	3	6	11
Wed 2/22 vs ATL W 99-82	   27	7-16	.438	1-2	.500	0-0	.000	4	3	1	2	1	2	15
Thu 2/23 @ MIA L 88-102	   35	7-20	.350	1-1	1.000	4-4	1.000	7	1	1	0	4	1	19
Wed 2/29 vs CLE W 120-103  34	9-16	.563	1-3	.333	3-5	.600	5	4	0	0	3	0	22
Mon 3/12 @ Chi L 99-104	   39	8-21	.381	1-3	.333	4-4	1.000	8	3	1	2	4	2	21
Sun 3/4 @ BOS L 111-115	   35	8-21	.381	0-1	.000	9-10	.900	7	2	0	0	4	3	25
Tue 3/6	@ DAL L 85-95	   31	2-12	.167	0-3	.000	2-4	.500	8	1	0	0	1	2	6
Wed 3/7	@ SA L 105-118	   38	12-24	.500	3-7	.429	0-1	.000	2	3	0	2	5	2	27
Fri 3/9 @ MIL L 114-119	   37	7-17	.412	1-2	.500	7-10	.700	5	2	2	1	1	2	22
Sun 3/11 vs PHI L 94-106   29	5-13	.385	1-4	.250	11-12	.917	9	3	0	0	2	1	22

Too many of you guys are making a 10 game stretch into the narrative of the entire season under MDA. After Melo came back he averaged 17 shots a game. So under MDA he avg'd 21 shots before Linsanity and 17 after. Melo's shooting % didn't improve under Woody until March 28th the Orlando game. So basically for 12 games he's been on fire and avging 23 shots a game. Outside of that his performance was poor offensively. None of this takes into account how he magically improved his effort level on Defense and has been much more cooperative in doing many of the same things he was asked to do under MDA.

The truth is that Melo just stunk and it had nothing to do with MDA. He stunk cuz he just stunk. It wasn't number of shots or him being forced to stand around the 3 pt line. He wasn't hitting the MANY shots he was given period. His attitude was poor and it effected his game on both ends.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the facts stated above. It's one thing not to like the approach and coaching of MDA, but none of that absolves Melo from the fact that he was far below his standards for most of the year. No one made him miss shots and he is the only one responsible for respecting the game and his team by always giving 110%. He clearly did not do that when he came back. The team was winning and united and in 10 game he did nothing to help the team win. Not his defense or offense or his attitude. If he had the attitude he's displayed since the day MDA resigned this team would have a better record no question about it. Woody is a good coach, but nothing he did caused Melo to hit shots. He didn't start to actually go nuts until 12 games ago, on march 28th and that is all on Melo. He's just got his game back at the right time. You pair that with his much improved attitude since MDA resigned and this is the guy everyone expected when we traded for him.

I'M TELLING YOU! YUH HUH! YUH HUH!

Yeah like I thought. You have nothing! If you had anything substantive to refute what i've posted you would've stated it. So basically you are admitting you know i'm right. No need to say it, we have your admission loud and clear.

I am at a loss for words you got me. Uh ah gat one ... Strategerie heh heh heh

CrushAlot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I think the model for D'Antoni vs. Carmelo was D'Antoni vs. Marbury. D'Anontoni made it clear that it was "Marbury or me" and the Knicks got rid of Marbury. None Not many of us complained because we all most of us wanted Marbury gone by that time anyway. This time, when D'Antoni said "It's me or Carmelo" the Knicks said "okay - awesome."

I complained. I wanted Marbs gone but I thought Walsh could get something for his huge expiring contract. D'Antoni put Walsh in a bad position and devalued an asset in Marbury.

Fixed

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I think the model for D'Antoni vs. Carmelo was D'Antoni vs. Marbury. D'Anontoni made it clear that it was "Marbury or me" and the Knicks got rid of Marbury. None of us complained because we all wanted Marbury gone by that time anyway. This time, when D'Antoni said "It's me or Carmelo" the Knicks said "okay - awesome."

I think they were going to fire him and they gave him a chance to save face. I thought I read that MDA said that he would stay after but Dolan said I don't think so.

Could be. I like my story better.

BasketballJones wrote:I think the model for D'Antoni vs. Carmelo was D'Antoni vs. Marbury. D'Anontoni made it clear that it was "Marbury or me" and the Knicks got rid of Marbury. None of us complained because we all wanted Marbury gone by that time anyway. This time, when D'Antoni said "It's me or Carmelo" the Knicks said "okay - awesome."

I think Melo gets a bad rap, even being mentioned in the same breathe as Marbury. Marbury's butted heads with every coach and every team he's ever been on even as a rookie with Garnett and Gugliotta in Minny.