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Barkley: 'The Knicks still stink, dude'
By Jared Zwerling

Same stuff, different day.

That's Charles Barkley for you when it comes to the Knicks. The NBA on TNT analyst has ripped the team plenty of times in the past.

Thursday morning on WFAN radio, Barkley said, "The Knicks still stink, dude. They're not going anywhere [in the playoffs], they're gonna be one-and-done. ... I don't dislike the Knicks. But they just don't have a good team. I just told you, they're the No. 7 seed. You guys act like they're the No. 1 or 2 seed!"

He did, however, call Carmelo Anthony "the best offensive player in the NBA."

Melo sure has been since March 26, when Jeremy Lin and Amare Stoudemire became inactive due to injuries. Anthony has been averaging a league-high 30.6 points per game on 50.5 percent shooting during that span.

The Chuckster also addressed the upcoming vacancy at the Knicks' head coaching position. One guy he basically called crazy if he were to field an offer from the team was John Calipari, who just won a national championship with Kentucky.

"Let me tell you something," Barkley said. "He's never going to be drunk enough to take that Knicks job. ... That would be career suicide. I'm a big, big John Calipari fan, but he's not gonna take that job, because that ain't a good job."

That speculation has quickly died down with Mike Woodson at the helm. He has led the Knicks to a 15-5 record since March 14, when he took over for Mike D'Antoni. Of course, Barkley had something to say about that, too.

"The reason the Knicks are playing well, that's because they are well-rested," he said. "Because they quit on Mike D'Antoni, so they've got a lot more energy."

God I hate his guts...

ChuckBuck wrote:I would love for the Knicks to make Barkley eat his words this playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/17127/barkley-the-knicks-still-stink-dude

Barkley: 'The Knicks still stink, dude'
By Jared Zwerling

Same stuff, different day.

That's Charles Barkley for you when it comes to the Knicks. The NBA on TNT analyst has ripped the team plenty of times in the past.

Thursday morning on WFAN radio, Barkley said, "The Knicks still stink, dude. They're not going anywhere [in the playoffs], they're gonna be one-and-done. ... I don't dislike the Knicks. But they just don't have a good team. I just told you, they're the No. 7 seed. You guys act like they're the No. 1 or 2 seed!"

He did, however, call Carmelo Anthony "the best offensive player in the NBA."

Melo sure has been since March 26, when Jeremy Lin and Amare Stoudemire became inactive due to injuries. Anthony has been averaging a league-high 30.6 points per game on 50.5 percent shooting during that span.

The Chuckster also addressed the upcoming vacancy at the Knicks' head coaching position. One guy he basically called crazy if he were to field an offer from the team was John Calipari, who just won a national championship with Kentucky.

"Let me tell you something," Barkley said. "He's never going to be drunk enough to take that Knicks job. ... That would be career suicide. I'm a big, big John Calipari fan, but he's not gonna take that job, because that ain't a good job."

That speculation has quickly died down with Mike Woodson at the helm. He has led the Knicks to a 15-5 record since March 14, when he took over for Mike D'Antoni. Of course, Barkley had something to say about that, too.

"The reason the Knicks are playing well, that's because they are well-rested," he said. "Because they quit on Mike D'Antoni, so they've got a lot more energy."

God I hate his guts...

The truth Hurts.

Being a knick coach is a well paying bad job.

Look at the last 12 years of knick coach and the events surrounding them.

Don't let knick love blind you to what has happened.

"Well rested" is his stab at humor.

Being a Knick fan has its moments. Have to laugh.

Team play can prove him wrong.

Next year we don't get discounted JR smith and Novak should command some economic benefit beyond what we can pay.

Our big three are expensive. Amare playing 82 games or near is questionable and Melo can't do what he is doing the whole season.

I hate what Barkley said, but I can't ignore the facts.

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Not top 50? Houston's championships and Hakeems MVP came during MJ's retirement. Hakeem was a better player but Ewing is definately a top 50 player. Of course, 1 of Hakeems championsips came against us but we all know what happened.

CashMoney wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Not top 50? Houston's championships and Hakeems MVP came during MJ's retirement. Hakeem was a better player but Ewing is definately a top 50 player. Of course, 1 of Hakeems championsips came against us but we all know what happened.

That was the year we had 3 all-stars and they had 1 but still beat us. I'd agree with Nalod on this one.

ChuckBuck wrote:I would love for the Knicks to make Barkley eat his words this playoffs.

God I hate his guts...

Wouldn't matter, he eats everything else, anyway.

Barkley is the prototypical fat, stupid, opinionated TV Sports clown. It's like trying to place any credence to what Bill Walton mumbles about.
And at least Walton has a chip.

Let it go.

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Your criteria is pretty silly. How many HOF did these guys play with when they won a ship? As for MVP.....it's a subjective popularity vote by the writers....and one good season does not make an NBA career. Ask yourself where would patrick be picked on this list if you were starting a league. He would be ahead of Unseld, Malone, Walton and Reed.

Ahead of Moses Malone what are you smoking dude Moses is a top 5 center of all time. I'm a Ewing fan but Moses is another level of center.

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Your criteria is pretty silly. How many HOF did these guys play with when they won a ship? As for MVP.....it's a subjective popularity vote by the writers....and one good season does not make an NBA career. Ask yourself where would patrick be picked on this list if you were starting a league. He would be ahead of Unseld, Malone, Walton and Reed.

Knicks went to conf finals a few times, were contenders for many years and went to the finals. Its not like he played on bad teams.

Perhaps you can take out any one of three and insert Patrick.

But, he would be the lone player without an MVP and without a championship. He would be the anamoly.

How would Patrick be today? Slow. League is differnt now than 20 years ago.

Not sure how Patrick would fair. Modern medicine would help as would it help Walton.

Walton had a brief career in comparison but he has an MVP and a ring. Walton was Amazing! He ran, passed, shot, played defense,rebounded, blocked shots, he was the whole package. If you look at his roster on the year they won their championship you'll find no stars or HOF players. What he did with that team was a masterpiece season.

Unseld was ROY, MVP and has a ring. Respect earned! Of course Ewing was a better player than Unseld. But how do you measure success? Invidual awards? Banners on the ceiling? For years the big man was the MVP of most teams. You won with a great center.

Moses Malone is a three time MVP. HOw do you put Ewing ahead of him? Because he was a knick and you love him?

Willis? Regular season award. In the era of the big men that year he had to deal with Unseld, Kareem and Wilt. Back then they played each other a lot more (less teams). In that era, you did not win without a big man. MVP is not the "best player award" but "Most Valuable". Kareem as a rookie put up sick numbers that year.

Timmy Duncan has played the 5 also and he could easy be on my list. Jack Sikma has a ring and was an allstar. Not on the list.
Elvin Hayes played some 5, but not on his championship team. Elvin was amazing. Robert Parish was a great HOF center with multiple rings. No MVP. No place on my list. Ewing was a better player.

So its not like im placing just championships or just MVP as the criteria. Both.

MVP is not a popularity contest nor a freak occurance. Its sometimes honorary but you need a body of work to back it up to get that honor.

Is my list "silly"? I give my critieria and reasons. I challange anyone to put up their top 10 and the criteria used.

Gotta pay respect to the old era because those guys got it done.

There are always reasons why teams and players don't knotch up. Ewing does not step on the court against miami during the "fight" perhaps we win that year. One step and Maybe ewing is on the list. One dunk instead of a finger roll, Maybe he is on the list.

Ewings knees kept him from the finger roll. Or was it his shoulder? INjuries play a big part. Sam Bowie is not on the list nor Ralph Sampson. Maybe if not injured one or both build better careers. Sampson was amazing for his size! Sampson was also better than Ewing but his injuries put a very early ceiling on his career.

Every man on my list has BOTH at least one MVP and at least Ring.

Ewing has NEITHER.

Its my list. Nobody is preventing anyone from posting their own.

always a fun discussion.

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Your criteria is pretty silly. How many HOF did these guys play with when they won a ship? As for MVP.....it's a subjective popularity vote by the writers....and one good season does not make an NBA career. Ask yourself where would patrick be picked on this list if you were starting a league. He would be ahead of Unseld, Malone, Walton and Reed.

Knicks went to conf finals a few times, were contenders for many years and went to the finals. Its not like he played on bad teams.

Perhaps you can take out any one of three and insert Patrick.

But, he would be the lone player without an MVP and without a championship. He would be the anamoly.

How would Patrick be today? Slow. League is differnt now than 20 years ago.

Not sure how Patrick would fair. Modern medicine would help as would it help Walton.

Walton had a brief career in comparison but he has an MVP and a ring. Walton was Amazing! He ran, passed, shot, played defense,rebounded, blocked shots, he was the whole package. If you look at his roster on the year they won their championship you'll find no stars or HOF players. What he did with that team was a masterpiece season.

Unseld was ROY, MVP and has a ring. Respect earned! Of course Ewing was a better player than Unseld. But how do you measure success? Invidual awards? Banners on the ceiling? For years the big man was the MVP of most teams. You won with a great center.

Moses Malone is a three time MVP. HOw do you put Ewing ahead of him? Because he was a knick and you love him?

Willis? Regular season award. In the era of the big men that year he had to deal with Unseld, Kareem and Wilt. Back then they played each other a lot more (less teams). In that era, you did not win without a big man. MVP is not the "best player award" but "Most Valuable". Kareem as a rookie put up sick numbers that year.

Timmy Duncan has played the 5 also and he could easy be on my list. Jack Sikma has a ring and was an allstar. Not on the list.
Elvin Hayes played some 5, but not on his championship team. Elvin was amazing. Robert Parish was a great HOF center with multiple rings. No MVP. No place on my list. Ewing was a better player.

So its not like im placing just championships or just MVP as the criteria. Both.

MVP is not a popularity contest nor a freak occurance. Its sometimes honorary but you need a body of work to back it up to get that honor.

Is my list "silly"? I give my critieria and reasons. I challange anyone to put up their top 10 and the criteria used.

Gotta pay respect to the old era because those guys got it done.

There are always reasons why teams and players don't knotch up. Ewing does not step on the court against miami during the "fight" perhaps we win that year. One step and Maybe ewing is on the list. One dunk instead of a finger roll, Maybe he is on the list.

Ewings knees kept him from the finger roll. Or was it his shoulder? INjuries play a big part. Sam Bowie is not on the list nor Ralph Sampson. Maybe if not injured one or both build better careers. Sampson was amazing for his size! Sampson was also better than Ewing but his injuries put a very early ceiling on his career.

Every man on my list has BOTH at least one MVP and at least Ring.

Ewing has NEITHER.

Its my list. Nobody is preventing anyone from posting their own.

always a fun discussion.

I understand that David Robinson technically fulfills your criteria, but I thought everybody agreed that he wasn't really MVP in 1995, especially after Hakeem Olajuwon completely annihilated him in the playoffs that year. Also, Robinson's two rings came at the end of his career when he was playing with a better player in Tim Duncan; Ewing never had that luxury.

VCoug wrote:

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:Jabbar
Wilt
Russell
shaq
Miken
Reed
Hakeem
Walton
David robinson
Moses Malone
Wes Unseld

These guys are all MVP's and have championships. I assume 5 positions and each one gets 10 to make a top 50.
Ewing is HOF and a great player, but not top 50. No season MVP and not bling.

Your criteria is pretty silly. How many HOF did these guys play with when they won a ship? As for MVP.....it's a subjective popularity vote by the writers....and one good season does not make an NBA career. Ask yourself where would patrick be picked on this list if you were starting a league. He would be ahead of Unseld, Malone, Walton and Reed.

Knicks went to conf finals a few times, were contenders for many years and went to the finals. Its not like he played on bad teams.

Perhaps you can take out any one of three and insert Patrick.

But, he would be the lone player without an MVP and without a championship. He would be the anamoly.

How would Patrick be today? Slow. League is differnt now than 20 years ago.

Not sure how Patrick would fair. Modern medicine would help as would it help Walton.

Walton had a brief career in comparison but he has an MVP and a ring. Walton was Amazing! He ran, passed, shot, played defense,rebounded, blocked shots, he was the whole package. If you look at his roster on the year they won their championship you'll find no stars or HOF players. What he did with that team was a masterpiece season.

Unseld was ROY, MVP and has a ring. Respect earned! Of course Ewing was a better player than Unseld. But how do you measure success? Invidual awards? Banners on the ceiling? For years the big man was the MVP of most teams. You won with a great center.

Moses Malone is a three time MVP. HOw do you put Ewing ahead of him? Because he was a knick and you love him?

Willis? Regular season award. In the era of the big men that year he had to deal with Unseld, Kareem and Wilt. Back then they played each other a lot more (less teams). In that era, you did not win without a big man. MVP is not the "best player award" but "Most Valuable". Kareem as a rookie put up sick numbers that year.

Timmy Duncan has played the 5 also and he could easy be on my list. Jack Sikma has a ring and was an allstar. Not on the list.
Elvin Hayes played some 5, but not on his championship team. Elvin was amazing. Robert Parish was a great HOF center with multiple rings. No MVP. No place on my list. Ewing was a better player.

So its not like im placing just championships or just MVP as the criteria. Both.

MVP is not a popularity contest nor a freak occurance. Its sometimes honorary but you need a body of work to back it up to get that honor.

Is my list "silly"? I give my critieria and reasons. I challange anyone to put up their top 10 and the criteria used.

Gotta pay respect to the old era because those guys got it done.

There are always reasons why teams and players don't knotch up. Ewing does not step on the court against miami during the "fight" perhaps we win that year. One step and Maybe ewing is on the list. One dunk instead of a finger roll, Maybe he is on the list.

Ewings knees kept him from the finger roll. Or was it his shoulder? INjuries play a big part. Sam Bowie is not on the list nor Ralph Sampson. Maybe if not injured one or both build better careers. Sampson was amazing for his size! Sampson was also better than Ewing but his injuries put a very early ceiling on his career.

Every man on my list has BOTH at least one MVP and at least Ring.

Ewing has NEITHER.

Its my list. Nobody is preventing anyone from posting their own.

always a fun discussion.

I understand that David Robinson technically fulfills your criteria, but I thought everybody agreed that he wasn't really MVP in 1995, especially after Hakeem Olajuwon completely annihilated him in the playoffs that year. Also, Robinson's two rings came at the end of his career when he was playing with a better player in Tim Duncan; Ewing never had that luxury.

MVP is for the regular season. Champoinships are won in the playoffs.

MVP's are not on crap teams. Its usually for the best players on the best teams. Thats why leading the league in scoring on a losing team don't get you an MVP. You may be the best player, but if you on a losing team your not "winning".

Robinson gets the MVP for a body of work. Not always fair award but sometimes your given it based on what you've done in other years.

one could say Ewing had seasons he was deserving also.

But We talking about a distinct group that has BOTH. That covers playoffs and a regular season.

Patrick is HOF and there is no dispute over his greatness in that arena. The highest honor a player can recieve.

All I did was take the "Subjective" and put in critieria. Filter the best from a very elite list and keep it to 10.

Is it perfect? Maybe not.