MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF

Not his fault? He had a very good game overall but even if you think he's an SF, he needs to get more than 2 boards.

I agree. But it's also harder to rebound against guys like Boozer than it is to rebound against guys like Granger. Not trying to make excuses for him, but as good a player as it is it's gotta be an adjustment grabbing boards against guys bigger and more physical than he's used to.

Exactly thats all I'm saying. STAT rebounds and block shots when he puts in the effort

BasketballJones wrote:When Stat gets back, I think he should get the job of pouring gatorade for the guys. Not sure what the title is, but he should get that job. Either that or towel boy.

BasketballJones wrote:When Stat gets back, I think he should get the job of pouring gatorade for the guys. Not sure what the title is, but he should get that job. Either that or towel boy.

Tyson and Melo groin checker?

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

The floor is spread out much better when Melo plays PF even if the other team's SF is on him. I mean, you'd have to be blind to not notice how much better he's played as a PF than SF this year.

It's not about him beating 4s because he beats 3s just as easily now that he is healthy and has his shot. It is about what Bonn and JVG says it's all about the spacing because of the cross matches it presents putting Melo in the line up as a 4 at the four. Teams now a 4 can't guard him so they put their three on Melo which leaves a big on Fields. That should put pressure on teams but Fields is not taking advantage of his matchup because he is a poor free throw shooter and lacks confidence to his credit he did tried to attack in the second half by cutting and driving to the basket but he needs to open with that. Also because he is shooting poorly a big can take away his drive.

Yes we need help on the boards and Amar'e would help that but the Knicks are getting killed because the second unit has no size. Yesterday Woody could have used Jorts size and I think that was a mistake and his ability to knock down a jumper would have put pressure on the Bulls big which would have helped the second units spacing but instead he gave Fields more minutes and had Novak at the 4 which is not a good match up for getting rebounds. Back to Amar'e he gives the second unit size and a go to guy to run the offense thru. With out a pg and I know STAT works better with a PG but the second unit can post with Amar'e. The second unit has no inside guy to collapse a defense so defenders can stay with Novak most of the times.

This is not about not needing STAT or MElo and STAT working together. Its about strategy and using players to help the team. I think Melo and STAT work well at the 4 and 5 when a big is on our three because it creates space for both Melo and STAT. We saw that against Indy or Philly when Chandler was on the bench to close the 4th. If they bring back STAT they need to go to him early and let MElo do it late in quarters. I will be interested seeing if and hopefully how the offense goes if Fields comes of the bench while if they insert STAT into the starting lineup.

Nalod wrote:I think its brilliant strategy to bring a guy with an uninsured contract out of action because of a bad back and instead of playing him after he warms up to let him cool off and stiffen on the bench.

you win today's sarcasm award!!!

good luck tomorrow folks. thanks again to our winner, Nalod!!

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

The floor is spread out much better when Melo plays PF even if the other team's SF is on him. I mean, you'd have to be blind to not notice how much better he's played as a PF than SF this year.

The fact the Melo plays PF isn't the reason he is playing better...He is still facing the same SF defenders as he did before...This coach has figure out he needed to get more touches to be effective....Carmelo has been scoring like this for 8 years and you are telling me it's his recent play against PF that's the key...You can't seriously believe that his defending PF has added to his offensive output...

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

The floor is spread out much better when Melo plays PF even if the other team's SF is on him. I mean, you'd have to be blind to not notice how much better he's played as a PF than SF this year.

The fact the Melo plays PF isn't the reason he is playing better...He is still facing the same SF defenders as he did before...This coach has figure out he needed to get more touches to be effective....Carmelo has been scoring like this for 8 years and you are telling me it's his recent play against PF that's the key...You can't seriously believe that his defending PF has added to his offensive output...

You wrote a lot of sentences.
But none of them addressed my comments.

Melo can score like this from any position. I think Health and taking the bulk of their shots is helping. It's undeniable that he's as healthy as he's been all season.