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Baron Davis was supposed to be the saviour for the Knicks!?!
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4/4/2012  9:33 PM
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RoyBatty wrote:There must be something wrong. I've waken up still with annoyance at how Baron Davis and possibly Woody mishandled the 4th quarter. OK, so the Pacers make a small run. You bring your starters back in. Your goal is to get a couple of stops in and one or two buckets in to break the momentum. Instead, they forget Granger (I don't know if the coach or the player was at fault). That's one area. Then, because Davis can't guard any guard worthy of starting, Chandler has to trap up high. So everyone has to scramble, giving other guys open looks and Amundsen free roam under the basket.

Then the offense - instead of getting any flow going. Davis walks up, pounds, pounds (with no ability to attack) and then drops it off to Melo. No flow, nothing. Lin would have at least tried one decent attack with a dish or fou;l. We lost that game when the lead when from 10 to 5. It was expected Indiana would claw some of the 15 points back (Harrelson looked like a rookie); it was up to us to respond. And for some reason Davis and Woodson's brains froze at that critical point.

No need to overanalyze it. We simply lost to a better team.

No way...we lost because we got complacent. Knicks were overconfident/complacent at the start of the 4th. We allowed the Pacers to become re-energized...and then it snowballed.


This team is not going to beat many other teams regardless of anything the coach does. You could just look at the rosters and know in the beginning that Indiana would almost definitely win.

dude your out of your mind..woody got out coach in that game..he press the wrong buttons and sort of panick when the pacers cut it to 10. I know he felt like the lead was slipping quickly and he needed to throw his starters back in..IMO he should have left them in there longer, try to get novak a couple of three's to break the momentum

Baron doesn't penetrate nearly enough, and he doesn't see Novak enough, his focus is on melo and chandler. yeah he's lost a step, but he's showed signs. He sometimes plays like a guy who's trying to prove he's still got it athleticlly, but other times he plays like a veteren crafty player.

Even if he plays within his limitations, thats still slightly above average.ITS when he starts thinking he's 21 things go bad for him, not to metion his unfamilarity with the rest of the starters

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4/4/2012  11:25 PM
Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

i think only you were tricked into thinking that he was gonna be a team superstar or whatever. It's only hype if you fall for it, especially in this case.

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4/4/2012  11:36 PM
Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.
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4/4/2012  11:44 PM
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Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.

You make it sounds like the plan to amnesty Billups was to bring in Baron on his own, but the target was Chandler and Baron was a fill-in hopeful at PG. That is all.

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4/5/2012  7:10 AM
martin wrote:
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Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.

You make it sounds like the plan to amnesty Billups was to bring in Baron on his own, but the target was Chandler and Baron was a fill-in hopeful at PG. That is all.


I never thought that was the plan but I had discussions and disagreements with many who insisted that was the plan. Were you one of those?
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4/5/2012  8:55 AM
I always knew Baron Davis couldn't cut it as savior.
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4/5/2012  8:56 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.

Retire at 32? This is The Amare situation all over again. People proclaiming that a player is done when he is trying to get back from a back injury. I think Amare proved that it takes time

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4/5/2012  9:16 AM
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Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.

Retire at 32? This is The Amare situation all over again. People proclaiming that a player is done when he is trying to get back from a back injury. I think Amare proved that it takes time


Really? That's not the conclusion I'd reach. Amare looks basically done. At best, you can say he can play good offense for stretches as long as he exerts no effort on defense.
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4/5/2012  9:26 AM
Not Really

Nalod wrote:
We made him the savior pre-Linsanity. He was our hope.

"We" did not make Baron Davis a savior.

When is the last time you checked the "Baron Davis Is Not A Savior" Thread?

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4/5/2012  9:28 AM
Can we just end this with the fact that without Lin at PG we'd be spending our typing moments wondering if we'd end up with more ping pong balls than the Nyets?

Baron wasn't saving anything.

Can someone now start a "What's wrong with Bibby?" thread?

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4/5/2012  9:47 AM
Sounds like it might be time to bring in another capable PG because now Barons hamstring injury is leading to other problems.
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4/5/2012  9:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/5/2012  9:53 AM
Baron Davis was badly damaged when he arrived in NY.

He is still damaged.

Nothing new here.

Move along.

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4/5/2012  10:19 AM
Knicks guard Davis battling more ailments

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It’s not getting better for ailing Baron Davis. It’s getting worse.
The Knicks point guard told The Post his pulled left hamstring has started to cause other ailments, as his left knee swelled up Wednesday, and he experienced back stiffness.
At an Orlando gym complex where the Knicks practiced, Davis spent virtually all of the time getting treatment, looking gimpy as he walked the hallways.
Davis has been forced into major minutes now as starting point guard because of Jeremy Lin’s regular-season-ending left knee surgery. It’s difficult to imagine the Knicks folding in Indianapolis during a 40-17 fourth quarter if Lin had been out there providing key buckets.

“It’s like a minor setback,’’ Davis told The Post before tonight's game against the Magic. “It’s messing up other parts of my body. The knee, back tightening up. I may not get to 100 percent this year. At least I want to get to 80, 85 percent. When the hamstring gets better and the knee swelling goes down, I’ll get there.’’
Davis, who earlier this week said his back felt terrific, said the knee swelled up after his 29-minute stint in Indiana, where he shot 2 of 8, and scored six points with three assists. “Because my balance is off, I’m putting more pressure on my knee,’’ Davis said.
Interim coach Mike Woodson said he realizes he will have to reduce Davis’ minutes even more, meaning Mike Bibby, Toney Douglas and rookie Iman Shumpert will see more time at the point.
“What you see in Baron is what you’re going to get the rest of the year,’’ Woodson said. “He’s trying to give what he can give you. He’s not 100 percent. It’s just that simple. I got to gauge it more and try to fit Toney, Bibby and play the rookie at the point.’’
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Help is on the way. Jared Jeffries (knee) said he’s shooting for Sunday’s game against Chicago as his return, meaning he will be back for the big showdown in Milwaukee next Wednesday.
Bill Walker told The Post he also is shooting to make his comeback Sunday against Chicago. Walker hasn’t played since Feb. 17 against New Orleans. He underwent elbow surgery and was thought to be out for the regular season.
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After Carmelo Anthony took 31 shots and scored 39 points in Indianapolis, Woodson said Anthony needs others to stop relying on him so much.
Woodson is trying to implement more non-Anthony plays into his offense that goes away from up-tempo play each day.
“It can’t just be Melo,’’ Woodson said. “I don’t want to come down and have a team saying ‘Here Melo, here’s the ball and we play’. Other guys around him got to feel comfortable in making plays. Right now they think the bailout is Melo.’’

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4/5/2012  10:27 AM

The guy got amnestied because of his back.

The only Savior tag was those fans who bend over and want to be "Starphuched".

We were told it would be weeks. Fans speculated he was being cool and faking it so he could come to NYC but the reality is the guy was out of condition and has a bad back.

Baron should not be getting any hate.

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4/5/2012  10:30 AM
Nalod wrote:
The guy got amnestied because of his back.

The only Savior tag was those fans who bend over and want to be "Starphuched".

We were told it would be weeks. Fans speculated he was being cool and faking it so he could come to NYC but the reality is the guy was out of condition and has a bad back.

Baron should not be getting any hate.

Baron always get extensive hate where ever he was because he is a selfish player who takes too many selfish shots.

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4/5/2012  10:41 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Nalod wrote:
The guy got amnestied because of his back.

The only Savior tag was those fans who bend over and want to be "Starphuched".

We were told it would be weeks. Fans speculated he was being cool and faking it so he could come to NYC but the reality is the guy was out of condition and has a bad back.

Baron should not be getting any hate.

Baron always get extensive hate where ever he was because he is a selfish player who takes too many selfish shots.

ya he does have a strong tendency to take a lot of dumb shots. Last game he made two of the dumbest fouls that pretty much sealed the game
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4/5/2012  11:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:
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Syniko wrote:Baron Davis probably doesn't even care enough just as long as he gets to go home and throw his feet up in a nicely air conditioned mansion at the end of the day. He's touted as the team superstar, a premier PG for the Knicks and he plays like a bench rider whereas Lin plays like the superstar that Knicks have always wanted.

Step up your damn game, BD.

Expectations for Baron were too high. There were guys on this forum that insisted that the Knicks plan when they amnestied Billups was to bring in Baron. It seemed a bit far fetched back then but now BD looks like a guy that hasn't realized it is time to retire. Maybe another offseason helps him get back but he seems to be done.

You make it sounds like the plan to amnesty Billups was to bring in Baron on his own, but the target was Chandler and Baron was a fill-in hopeful at PG. That is all.


I never thought that was the plan but I had discussions and disagreements with many who insisted that was the plan. Were you one of those?

I guess it's in the subtlety in how you view it. The Knicks knew they needed a PG after Billups was cut, so indeed they did plan to grab a PG; in that regard, Baron was part of the plan and even a target for the Knicks. If he was not cut by CLE, the plan was to go after another PG.

And that's a world of difference between PG savior and high expectations as a front line starter, that definitely was NOT the plan.

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4/5/2012  12:10 PM
Baron has had an injury plague career..wheather he came in fully healthy or not..he's destine for some kinda injury during the course of a season..no matter the case, he's better at 50% then TD is at a 150%..
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4/5/2012  12:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Baron has had an injury plague career..wheather he came in fully healthy or not..he's destine for some kinda injury during the course of a season..no matter the case, he's better at 50% then TD is at a 150%..

TD at 100% his first two years was a nice bench player.
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4/5/2012  12:48 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Baron has had an injury plague career..wheather he came in fully healthy or not..he's destine for some kinda injury during the course of a season..no matter the case, he's better at 50% then TD is at a 150%..

TD at 100% his first two years was a nice bench player.

TD..his last 8months..d league..and even thats a jump..bonn the guy has been playing unwatchable ball...he has officially traded places with jefferies as the cringe up as soon he touches the ball player

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