MS wrote:You can absolutley say the magic would be under .500. We are a game above .500 with the guy. Tyson has zero offensive game to speak of and as medicore as Dwight is inside he averages 20 points a game and gets open shots for everyone on the floor. You switch out a top 4 NBA player for a top 20-25 guy it's what's going to happen. The second best player on the magic is ryan anderson the third is who exactly? They have no bench and terrible starter at nearly every position.

Send me your crytal ball. I could use one.

HugeKnick4 wrote:

MS wrote:You can absolutley say the magic would be under .500. We are a game above .500 with the guy. Tyson has zero offensive game to speak of and as medicore as Dwight is inside he averages 20 points a game and gets open shots for everyone on the floor. You switch out a top 4 NBA player for a top 20-25 guy it's what's going to happen. The second best player on the magic is ryan anderson the third is who exactly? They have no bench and terrible starter at nearly every position.

Easy to say this now after we blow them out by 20+. 2 weeks ago this wouldn't have been posted.

loweyecue wrote:

MS wrote:You can absolutley say the magic would be under .500. We are a game above .500 with the guy. Tyson has zero offensive game to speak of and as medicore as Dwight is inside he averages 20 points a game and gets open shots for everyone on the floor. You switch out a top 4 NBA player for a top 20-25 guy it's what's going to happen. The second best player on the magic is ryan anderson the third is who exactly? They have no bench and terrible starter at nearly every position.

DH is fed the ball in at least 55% of ORL possessions ( guesstimate), Tyson gets about 10% of ours. How can you compare the PPG numbers. That doesn't take away from the need to for him develop some offensive moves.

MS wrote:You can absolutley say the magic would be under .500. We are a game above .500 with the guy. Tyson has zero offensive game to speak of and as medicore as Dwight is inside he averages 20 points a game and gets open shots for everyone on the floor. You switch out a top 4 NBA player for a top 20-25 guy it's what's going to happen. The second best player on the magic is ryan anderson the third is who exactly? They have no bench and terrible starter at nearly every position.

The point was not to compare him to D12, but simply to say we got a good player and essentially after D12, there really isn't another center out there that is giving his team what Tyson is giving to us. He runs the PR well, rebounds, hustles, plays D, shoots a decent FT%, great team mate, he is the "Glue Guy". Knick will need Amare, but looking at how the team played the game last night, I don't see us being a push over in the playoffs. He is that much of difference maker.

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Actually, I do get the impression that Dwight relies on pure athleticism and doesn't work very hard to improve his game. I could be wrong but it seems that way.

I don't think that is true at all about him not working hard. Clearly, he worked hard to build his body up...to make him more of a factor. He also has more moves around the basket than he had years ago.

HugeKnick4 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Actually, I do get the impression that Dwight relies on pure athleticism and doesn't work very hard to improve his game. I could be wrong but it seems that way.

I don't think that is true at all about him not working hard. Clearly, he worked hard to build his body up...to make him more of a factor. He also has more moves around the basket than he had years ago.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Actually, I do get the impression that Dwight relies on pure athleticism and doesn't work very hard to improve his game. I could be wrong but it seems that way.

I don't think that is true at all about him not working hard. Clearly, he worked hard to build his body up...to make him more of a factor. He also has more moves around the basket than he had years ago.

Does he work hard in the gym or does he just have freakish genetics and do a little bit of work in the gym? Or maybe he does work hard in the gym but only because he enjoys it - much more so than doing something boring like practicing 500 free throws a day.

Its hard to make that conclusion/assumption without it being substantiated. Shaq could not hit free throws. Ben Walace? Hardest worker I've ever seen. Wilt?

Howard is all world defense and has worked excessively hard at improving his offensive game.

It is quite frustrating being on a team with a weak supporting cast (as JVG alluded to numerous times last night)

The guy is a beast!

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Actually, I do get the impression that Dwight relies on pure athleticism and doesn't work very hard to improve his game. I could be wrong but it seems that way.

I don't think that is true at all about him not working hard. Clearly, he worked hard to build his body up...to make him more of a factor. He also has more moves around the basket than he had years ago.

Does he work hard in the gym or does he just have freakish genetics and do a little bit of work in the gym? Or maybe he does work hard in the gym but only because he enjoys it - much more so than doing something boring like practicing 500 free throws a day.

Its hard to make that conclusion/assumption without it being substantiated. Shaq could not hit free throws. Ben Walace? Hardest worker I've ever seen. Wilt?

Howard is all world defense and has worked excessively hard at improving his offensive game.

It is quite frustrating being on a team with a weak supporting cast (as JVG alluded to numerous times last night)

The guy is a beast!

Yeah, I'm giving the impression I get based on how much he seems to just enjoy getting attention and being a celebrity and that he seems to be perfectly content staying with a poorly functioning organization. I said earlier that I could be completely wrong though. I'm not sure he's made any improvements to his offensive game in the last five years though.

His offensive game bares no comparison to 5 years ago. Take a look! His post moves have drastically evolved.

Knixkik wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:i can't believe anyone has ever doubted that the move to amnesty chauncey and sign tyson was anything other than brilliant.

tyson chandler is a top five center in this league, he is a championship core piece. the ability to sign him for 4 years at a relative bargain of $15M per year gives this team an actual chance to compete at an elite level, which not having an elite center did not.

??JLin??
Shump
Melo
??Amar'e??
Tyson

To me, Shump, Melo and Tyson are guy you see winning chips. They are all good enough to win it all. JLin might be. I question whether Amar'e will be healthy enough to be anything but a 6th man, so we might need a real good defensive PF who can hit a 15ft jumper and split 24min with Amar'e at some point, but just getting Tyson, Shump and Lin makes this team a real contender in my eyes, over the next few years. and it should lessen the pain a little for those who say we gave up too much in the Melo trade.

I hope Stoudemire can return to form, but even without him, a core of Melo, Lin, Chandler, and Shumpert is good enough to build around if done properly. It would be nice to add a PF who can stretch the defense. Ryan Andersen isn't attainable, but someone to that effect.

Man - I used to dream of Kevin Love playing for the Knicks instead of Amare

That would be a dream come true. The most perfect player in the world to play PF here.

C Chandler
PF Love
SF Anthony
SG Shumpert
PG Lin

One can dream.

And how well he would blend with Melo since he does not clog the same post positions.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyshakespeare wrote:http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012/03/26/QTK1112PLAYOFFSCHANDLER602012032-2047340

F*ck the stats. Tyson is man & Dwight is a spoiled brat who thinks he deserves things without having to earn it.

Actually, I do get the impression that Dwight relies on pure athleticism and doesn't work very hard to improve his game. I could be wrong but it seems that way.

I don't think that is true at all about him not working hard. Clearly, he worked hard to build his body up...to make him more of a factor. He also has more moves around the basket than he had years ago.

Does he work hard in the gym or does he just have freakish genetics and do a little bit of work in the gym? Or maybe he does work hard in the gym but only because he enjoys it - much more so than doing something boring like practicing 500 free throws a day.

Its hard to make that conclusion/assumption without it being substantiated. Shaq could not hit free throws. Ben Walace? Hardest worker I've ever seen. Wilt?

Howard is all world defense and has worked excessively hard at improving his offensive game.

It is quite frustrating being on a team with a weak supporting cast (as JVG alluded to numerous times last night)

The guy is a beast!

Yeah, I'm giving the impression I get based on how much he seems to just enjoy getting attention and being a celebrity and that he seems to be perfectly content staying with a poorly functioning organization. I said earlier that I could be completely wrong though. I'm not sure he's made any improvements to his offensive game in the last five years though.

His offensive game bares no comparison to 5 years ago. Take a look! His post moves have drastically evolved.