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3/27/2012  11:19 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Berman tweet from Melo on Michael Kay:

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Carmelo Anthony was grilled by Michael Kay on ESPN 1050 about Mike D'Antoni and he gave some nuggets. On Woodson, Melo said, "The thing he does is hold guys accountable.’’ Did D'Antoni? "That’s not him. Nobody expected him. Not his personality He did it his way.’’ Can you have ever succeeded under D'Antoni. "Who knows. We will never know. I had to adjust.’’

so he basically admitted that he got away with being lazy under MDA.

I think he admitted that he needed a coach that is comfortable being an authority figure. For all of the talk that nba players are professionals and well paid and should play and act like professionals, some guys need more from a coach than a chat where the coach says we need you to be you.

I think Stat needed to have a coach to tell him to box the phuck out!

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3/28/2012  12:18 AM
I think its funny that people think Melo wanted a coached that would "yell at him" like his pops or something. I think that when talk about accountable ability they are usually talking hold me too a standard, but hold everybody else as well. It would such to be the player the franchise traded for and be told post ups are bad, but Landry going 2-12, that's alrite in the flow???LL
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3/28/2012  2:58 AM
That is an interesting stat - we are winning even when we don't shoot well. I think it is great to focus on the defense, get's us ready for what the playoffs bring to boot.

What will be really interesting is how we play with Stat out and when Jeffries is back. I really think we play better. Melo and Stat were playing better together but Stat is the weaker defender of the two. I think we will see more P&R's from Lin with both Chandler and Melo. Post Melo up more. We will be ok on offense. And of course Lin in the 4th quarter - his quarter.

Also, the 3rd quarter should officially be the "Get to the line" quarter. Seems we are ok then. Just post up Melo and feed him with the occasional pass back out to the open man.

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3/28/2012  3:27 AM
I love this thread!

Seriously, like I said in some other post, Monday night was a perfect example of how we can win games by playing great defense and rebounding even if our offense sucks. And that was without JJ. That game is the poster game for what this team needs to do (not that it needs to suck on offense, but that it needs to win by doing the things that it can control).

Thank goodness Woodson realizes this (not that it takes a genius). He knows that we are not always going to hit shots or have our offense flow (no Lin and 9 turnovers by Davis the other night). We cannot always control that. But what we can control is our defensive intensity and our willingness to rebound the ball. If we rebound and defend, we will be fine.

I'm not going to get into my sheer frustration with MDA's unwillingness to get us to defend and rebound.

While it is too early for me to judge Woodson in terms of whether he should come back next year (though obviously he has done a great job so far), I do want to say this:

The difference between D'Antoni and Woodson is that MDA seemed interested only in having his offensive system work, even if it meant sacrificing or ignoring other important aspects of the game, and even if we were losing games in the process. Woodson, on the other hand, coaches to win, period. I could care less how "ugly" the offense is, and I mean that. The Ewing teams under Riley were not pretty offensively, but that team had the Garden rocking as much as any team ever. That's because they competed every single game, and won most nights. That is all I or, I hope, most NY fans care about.

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3/28/2012  7:29 AM
I agree... epic fail by MDA not motivating EVERYONE on this roster
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3/28/2012  8:28 AM
Fear the nixluva thread about how our O sucks big weenie now. He makes some valid points.


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3/29/2012  1:02 PM
As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.
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3/29/2012  1:18 PM
the players should dictate how you play. how you play should not dictate the players.

let' wait and see how the team looks at the end of the season though. historically, teams perform better after a change but it isn't necessarily sustained

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3/29/2012  1:23 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.
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3/29/2012  1:35 PM
nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.

I'm not in the locker room so I can't comment on what goes on behind the scenes, I can only comment on what I see during game time. MDA never called time outs until it was to late to change the flow of the game....drove me crazy. Woodson effectively uses his time outs in key situations as a tool to stop runs, change personnel, get the players some rest...call a play,put in a 3 point shooter for a key posetion, call a T.O, sub in for defensive...pull players to the side and coach them during games....All MDA ever did was wave his arms and complain to the refs about calls...he sucked

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3/29/2012  1:40 PM
nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.

Not an exaggeration. and I'm not going by only the Melo era. D'Antoni has had athletes here and players who have had success elsewhere. Too many excuses for the man during his tenure. All his teams struggled with same thing no matter the personnel and all went on wild losing streaks. D'Antoni's team ONLY started defending when Woodson got on staff and Chandler got her. How about before that?

Also Melo not buying into a failed system should not be looked at as a negative thing. This play will be sustained trust. One thing about Woodson's Hawks is they always play'd defense and rarely got blown out. they were consistent and not as talented as this roster. And I don't see the offense being an issue like that. Playoff scores usually hover around the 90s..they are already playing playoff caliber defense. It's rare you blow teams out in the playoffs scoring 100+ especially in the EAST.
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3/29/2012  1:42 PM
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nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.

I'm not in the locker room so I can't comment on what goes on behind the scenes, I can only comment on what I see during game time. MDA never called time outs until it was to late to change the flow of the game....drove me crazy. Woodson effectively uses his time outs in key situations as a tool to stop runs, change personnel, get the players some rest...call a play,put in a 3 point shooter for a key posetion, call a T.O, sub in for defensive...pull players to the side and coach them during games....All MDA ever did was wave his arms and complain to the refs about calls...he sucked

I agree with you as a MDA fan and supporter I think he gave up on the team and the team gave up on his system.
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3/29/2012  1:42 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The Mike Dantoni era of New York basketball was no different than the Isiah Thomas brand.

It was a symbol of weakness, ignorance, and a failure to persevere.

Good luck coach Woodson. I'm glad you've taken over.

This is pretty silly.
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3/29/2012  1:46 PM
MozelGovCocktail wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The Mike Dantoni era of New York basketball was no different than the Isiah Thomas brand.

It was a symbol of weakness, ignorance, and a failure to persevere.

Good luck coach Woodson. I'm glad you've taken over.

This is pretty silly.

disagree..he is accurate...MDA era was Futile..the numbers don't lie.
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3/29/2012  1:49 PM
btw...check boston's schedule, it is freaking brutal...more brutal then our own AND their lone soft spot is a back to back to back!

Fri 30 @ Minnesota 8:00pm CSNHD
April Opponent Time Local TV Nat TV Radio
Sun 01 vs Miami 3:30pm
Wed 04 vs San Antonio 7:30pm CSNHD
Thu 05 @ Chicago 9:30pm CSNHD
Sat 07 @ Indiana 7:00pm CSNHD
Sun 08 vs Philadelphia 6:00pm CSNHD
Tue 10 @ Miami 7:00pm CSNHD
Wed 11 vs Atlanta 8:00pm CSNHD
Fri 13 @ Toronto 7:00pm CSNHD
Sat 14 @ New Jersey 7:30pm CSNHD
Sun 15 @ Charlotte 6:00pm CSNHD
Tue 17 @ New York 8:00pm CSNHD
Wed 18 vs Orlando 8:00pm CSNHD
Fri 20 @ Atlanta 7:00pm CSNHD
Tue 24 vs Miami 8:00pm
Thu 26 vs Milwaukee 8:00pm CSNHD
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nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.

I'm not in the locker room so I can't comment on what goes on behind the scenes, I can only comment on what I see during game time. MDA never called time outs until it was to late to change the flow of the game....drove me crazy. Woodson effectively uses his time outs in key situations as a tool to stop runs, change personnel, get the players some rest...call a play,put in a 3 point shooter for a key posetion, call a T.O, sub in for defensive...pull players to the side and coach them during games....All MDA ever did was wave his arms and complain to the refs about calls...he sucked


You add to that wasted possessions or his encouragement to hoist shots no matter your status on the team.

I recall one game that Knicks lost when they were up 20 and a reporter asked him about it and he said it won't be the last time we lose a big lead like that. I remember being so pissed at his response. I want a coach who feels awful and disgusted that they lost a game being up 20.

What people forget is D'Antoni got away with this brand of basketball because of one guy..NASH. there is no other PG like him who can pass and shoot like him.
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FoeDiddy wrote:
MozelGovCocktail wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The Mike Dantoni era of New York basketball was no different than the Isiah Thomas brand.

It was a symbol of weakness, ignorance, and a failure to persevere.

Good luck coach Woodson. I'm glad you've taken over.

This is pretty silly.

disagree..he is accurate...MDA era was Futile..the numbers don't lie.

For a team that didn't sniff the playoffs I would say MDA era brought some credibility to the Knicks. Isiah pretty much discredited the organization from top to bottom. To say it was futile in comparison to Isiah era would be ignorance on your part.
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FoeDiddy wrote:
Rookie wrote:
nixluva wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:As the Games Go by..D'Antoni looks worse and worse. Lets Be Honest..He stunk and did a terrible job.

Why exaggerate? He wasn't able to win cuz he couldn't relate to Melo and it permeated thru to the rest of the team. Melo never really warmed up to MDA from the start. All it would've taken is for Melo to be a man of honor and support the coach with his words AND actions. He clearly didn't and admitted so. Now EVERYONE is pulling in the same direction, much like they did when Melo was out and the team was winning WITH DEFENSE during Linsanity. It's not true that The team didn't defend during MDA's time this year, cuz the team was a top defensive team despite STAT and Melo not playing hard or well on D. Now however everyone is buying in and it makes a difference. Remember that is was only when STAT and Melo were in the games that the team struggled defensively. STAT wasn't really in great shape and neither was Melo. So add that to the equation as well. STAT did start to come around before MDA left and they lost some close games that they might have won if Melo was actually giving a da*n!!!

I will add this tho. This team is still in a precarious spot. The 8th seed isnt set in stone and even if they get the 8th seed that is not where this team needs to be if they want an easier road to the ECF's. Now they may have to face the Bulls rather than a weaker 1st rd opponent. Also the offense may not be an issue right now, but it will come back to bite the team when they play either the Bulls or Heat. Teams that defend just as hard as the Knicks. This is why you want a balanced team on both ends. I'm hoping for the best but I fear that all the games lost trying to get Melo to freakin buy in may eventually cost the team.

I'm not in the locker room so I can't comment on what goes on behind the scenes, I can only comment on what I see during game time. MDA never called time outs until it was to late to change the flow of the game....drove me crazy. Woodson effectively uses his time outs in key situations as a tool to stop runs, change personnel, get the players some rest...call a play,put in a 3 point shooter for a key posetion, call a T.O, sub in for defensive...pull players to the side and coach them during games....All MDA ever did was wave his arms and complain to the refs about calls...he sucked


You add to that wasted possessions or his encouragement to hoist shots no matter your status on the team.

I recall one game that Knicks lost when they were up 20 and a reporter asked him about it and he said it won't be the last time we lose a big lead like that. I remember being so pissed at his response. I want a coach who feels awful and disgusted that they lost a game being up 20.

What people forget is D'Antoni got away with this brand of basketball because of one guy..NASH. there is no other PG like him who can pass and shoot like him.

Great points about Nash. Bruce Bowen the other night on espn said that he was/is the best play maker he has ever seen. The Phx team fit his PG style.

And good point about any player/any hoist. TD was leading the team i 3's at < 25% - SMFH
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Vmart wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
MozelGovCocktail wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The Mike Dantoni era of New York basketball was no different than the Isiah Thomas brand.

It was a symbol of weakness, ignorance, and a failure to persevere.

Good luck coach Woodson. I'm glad you've taken over.

This is pretty silly.

disagree..he is accurate...MDA era was Futile..the numbers don't lie.

For a team that didn't sniff the playoffs I would say MDA era brought some credibility to the Knicks. Isiah pretty much discredited the organization from top to bottom. To say it was futile in comparison to Isiah era would be ignorance on your part.

Nah we were still laughed at and add to that He had much better and polished players then Isiaih. Last year's team still underachieved during the season even before Melo trade.

7 Carmelo Anthony
20 Mike Bibby
6 Tyson Chandler
85 Baron Davis
23 Toney Douglas
2 Landry Fields
55 Josh Harrellson
9 Jared Jeffries
44 Jerome Jordan
17 Jeremy Lin
16 Steve Novak
21 Iman Shumpert
8 J.R. Smith
1 Amar'e Stoudemire
5 Bill Walker

How do you play sub 500 ball with this roster?

Isiaih's Roster

32 Renaldo Balkman
26 Kelvin Cato
25 Mardy Collins
11 Jamal Crawford
34 Eddy Curry
1 Steve Francis
7 Channing Frye
13 Jerome James
20 Jared Jeffries
42 David Lee
3 Stephon Marbury
5 Randolph Morris
23 Quentin Richardson
4 Nate Robinson
31 Malik Rose

How do you play above 500 ball with this roster?
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